Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

2017-03-20 Thread tomas
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On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 08:38:59PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 20 Mar 2017 at 11:27:50 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> > The differentiation in "server" and "desktop" only really made sense
> > for commercial vendors, as a device to extract as much money as
> > possible from their customers. For a free operating system this
> > device doesn't make that much sense (that's perhaps why you will
> > get somewhat surprised reactions over here ;-)
> 
> You're a cynic.
> 
> But you found head of the nail. :)

Heh. Old guy here :)

regards
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Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

2017-03-20 Thread Brian
On Mon 20 Mar 2017 at 11:27:50 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> The differentiation in "server" and "desktop" only really made sense
> for commercial vendors, as a device to extract as much money as
> possible from their customers. For a free operating system this
> device doesn't make that much sense (that's perhaps why you will
> get somewhat surprised reactions over here ;-)

You're a cynic.

But you found head of the nail. :)

-- 
Brian.



Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

2017-03-20 Thread tomas
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On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:10:16AM +0100, aorlikow...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Hello
> 
> I'm interested in installing Debia _SERVER_, not Desktop, but on your
> Website, there is just offering Debian.
> 
> Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop? If
> the SERVER package different where can I get it. What is the Internet link?
> 
> It would be helpful when you mention it on your website, that Debian is
> either Server or Desktop or both of them.

Other answers in the thread already sum it up: for Debian there's no
difference whether "server" or desktop -- it is the way you *use* it
what makes a difference. And it can be both at the same time.

That said, if you have a narrow use case in mind, it makes of course
sense to just install what is needed (as others have said, for example,
no desktop environment at all).

That's what the Debian "tasks" are meant for: groups of packages
recommended for specific uh... tasks, there for you to select with
a single click at installation time (or later, if you wish!). You
can select several tasks (remember, the installation can play several
roles at a time).

The differentiation in "server" and "desktop" only really made sense
for commercial vendors, as a device to extract as much money as
possible from their customers. For a free operating system this
device doesn't make that much sense (that's perhaps why you will
get somewhat surprised reactions over here ;-)

regards
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Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

2017-03-20 Thread DdB
Hello Achim,

Desktop or Server? Is a photo without colors black OR white?

Language can be misleading at times. I reckon, your expectation might
come from the Ubuntu world, as they are in fact offering somthing more
preconfigured, that lacks the flexibility to match users needs as
finegrained as debian does.

I suggest, you list the requirements of your server, and when you are
clear about your wishlist, use some spare (or virtual) machine and walk
through the install accordingly. Nothing magic or complicated. And if
you enjoy more babysitting, look here:
https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/debian-8-jessie-minimal-server/

Cheers, DdB

Am 20.03.2017 um 10:10 schrieb aorlikow...@gmail.com:
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Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

2017-03-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:10:16AM +0100, aorlikow...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm interested in installing Debia _SERVER_, not Desktop, but on your
> Website, there is just offering Debian.
> 
> Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop? If
> the SERVER package different where can I get it. What is the Internet link?

No; there is one installer, and it handles both use-cases. During installation
you can opt to select a Desktop Environment, or not.

> It would be helpful when you mention it on your website, that Debian is
> either Server or Desktop or both of them.

It's both, but you are right, perhaps we can improve our documentation to
reflect this.

Thanks
 

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Re: Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

2017-03-20 Thread Dejan Jocic
On 20-03-17, aorlikow...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> I'm interested in installing Debia _SERVER_, not Desktop, but on your
> Website, there is just offering Debian.
> 
> Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop? If
> the SERVER package different where can I get it. What is the Internet link?
> 
> It would be helpful when you mention it on your website, that Debian is
> either Server or Desktop or both of them.
> 
> Regards fron Germany
> 
> Achim Orlikowski
> 
> 
Debian is universal operating system and it is stated so on Debian main
page. How you will use it is up to you. You can choose during
installation process what you want to install. If you need it for server
and you do not want desktop environment you can do it with no problems.
Would suggest reading manual though, you will find more detailed
explanations there.

Have fun :)



Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop?

2017-03-20 Thread aorlikow...@gmail.com

Hello

I'm interested in installing Debia _SERVER_, not Desktop, but on your
Website, there is just offering Debian.

Are there different Installer Packages between Server and Desktop? If
the SERVER package different where can I get it. What is the Internet link?

It would be helpful when you mention it on your website, that Debian is
either Server or Desktop or both of them.

Regards fron Germany

Achim Orlikowski