Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-30 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Robert: What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at least, on a separate partition. I've heard about diver strategies on FS dividing but like some kind of optimization that is in FS view is this: the free space is dynamically shared for

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-30 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Sjoerd: The only exception of course is a separate /boot to avoid boot problems. May You'll be laughing but this did now work for me. - I had the boot problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-30 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Robert Holtzman schreef: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15:22AM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: Robert Holtzman schreef: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 06:03:37PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: On 7/28/10 4:40 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-29 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 06:03:37PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: On 7/28/10 4:40 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at least, on a separate partition. The *usual* plan is to put it on a separate drive (but since debian can't judge how

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-29 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Robert Holtzman schreef: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 06:03:37PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: On 7/28/10 4:40 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at least, on a separate partition. The *usual* plan is to put it on a separate drive (but since

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-29 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:34:06 +0200 Aniruddha mailingdotl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Perry E. Metzger pe...@piermont.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:46:29 +0200 Aniruddha mailingdotl...@gmail.com wrote: I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-29 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15:22AM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: Robert Holtzman schreef: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 06:03:37PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: On 7/28/10 4:40 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at least, on a separate partition.

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 28. 07. 2010 03:53:43 je Paul E Condon napisal(a): Stan, Have you ever heard of the term 'invincible ignorance'? Also, you have asserted with some vigor upstream Your original post ... IMHO, was correct but somewhat harshly worded. Peace. IMHO, Stan's deep, invaluable expertise is

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Aniruddha
I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox and I have to say XFS works as advertised. I did power off the virtual machine several times when working in Gnome / copying files. And I did power off the virtual 5 times in a row when booting. Nothing happened. Each time the virtual

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-28 Thread Sthu Deus
Stan: My apologies for being rude, but someone needed to slap you upside the head and bring you to reality. For the future please note, any your farther talks will be silently ignored by me. PS Sorry for this being sent to whole the list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-28 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Using ext4 for /boot is discouraged but you can give it a try. Why do you need /boot to be ext4? Because I have single partition. :) Well. For now I have tried w/ two - /boot as ext3 and / as ext4 - nothing happened - I got the into the same

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-28 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Sthu Deus sthu.d...@gmail.com wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Using ext4 for /boot is discouraged but you can give it a try. Why do you need /boot to be ext4? Because I have single partition. :) Well. For now I have tried w/ two - /boot

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Paul E Condon put forth on 7/27/2010 8:53 PM: Your original post in this thread addressed a quite disfunctional attitude of OP, and IMHO, was correct but somewhat harshly worded. In truth, he simply cannot have everything he wants all at the same time. You should have left it at that, IMHO.

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:46:29 +0200 Aniruddha mailingdotl...@gmail.com wrote: I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox and I have to say XFS works as advertised. I did power off the virtual machine several times when working in Gnome / copying files. And I did power off the

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Aniruddha
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Perry E. Metzger pe...@piermont.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:46:29 +0200 Aniruddha mailingdotl...@gmail.com wrote: I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox and I have to say XFS works as advertised. I did power off the virtual machine

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Op 28-07-10 21:34, Aniruddha schreef: Agreed, it was hardly a double-blind randomized trial :) On a more serious note: off course these tests don't prove anything. On the other hand I have heard so many time that XFS can't handle a single power failure without data corruption that I wanted to

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-28 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 09:43:59PM +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Using ext4 for /boot is discouraged but you can give it a try. Why do you need /boot to be ext4? Because I have single partition. :) What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-28 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On 7/28/10 4:40 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 09:43:59PM +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Using ext4 for /boot is discouraged but you can give it a try. Why do you need /boot to be ext4? Because I have single partition. :) What was

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 15:09:08 Stan Hoeppner wrote: Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 2:04 PM: unplugged machine. At boot, I dropped to fsck command line. At command Were you forced to the command line or did you manually select to go to the command line? It sounds like you chose to,

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Sthu Deus put forth on 7/26/2010 6:00 AM: Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Why don't you just use the images provided by kmuto? They are exactly what you are looking for. I don't get your resistence ... No any resistance absolutely! I think too that it is the thing I'm looking

Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote: XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems. Stan - Have you the time to give a rationale for this? I'm not in any way impugning your knowledge. But I am at the stage of accepting the default that Lenny gives me, for no better

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Lisi put forth on 7/27/2010 2:23 AM: On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote: XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems. Stan - Have you the time to give a rationale for this? Sure. 1. Best overall performance for most systems, large and small, and the FS

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:51, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Debian will _always_ default to an EXT* filesystem--until the end of time. Nope, btrfs will replace ext3/4 as default soon enough. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Volkan YAZICI
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes: 1. Best overall performance for most systems, large and small, and the FS creation and mounting parameters are super configurable to match the system hardware for best performance. One recent set of recent benchmarks

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aniruddha
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Volkan YAZICI yazic...@ttmail.com wrote: You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures. (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS or something.) And that's where XFS totally fails[1][2]. Ext3 has the same

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aaron Toponce
On 7/27/2010 1:23 AM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote: XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems. Stan - Have you the time to give a rationale for this? Except XFS filesystems can't shrink, only grow. Sucks when you need to resize

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM: You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures. (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS or something.) And that's where XFS totally fails[1][2]. [1]

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 09:51:53 Stan Hoeppner wrote: Lisi put forth on 7/27/2010 2:23 AM: On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote: XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems. Stan - Have you the time to give a rationale for this? Sure. Thanks, Stan, for a

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aniruddha
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.comwrote: Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM: You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures. (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS or something.) And that's

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Aaron Toponce put forth on 7/27/2010 10:41 AM: XFS has also had a history for randomly corrupting data. While this might have improved over time, I don't trust it. Can you cite or reference anything to back your claim? Time frame? Irix or Linux? Serious users reported this or

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Volkan YAZICI
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes: Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM: 1. Never quote forum or email posts as empirical or reliable evidence of anything. You're right, my bad. You quoted this FAQ item solely based on the tile, without reading it, in

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aaron Toponce
On 7/27/2010 11:20 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Aaron Toponce put forth on 7/27/2010 10:41 AM: XFS has also had a history for randomly corrupting data. While this might have improved over time, I don't trust it. Can you cite or reference anything to back your claim? Time frame? Irix or

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 9:43 AM: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Volkan YAZICI yazic...@ttmail.com wrote: You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures. (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS or something.) And that's where

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Volkan YAZICI
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes: NASA trusts it with over 1PB of storage, but _you_ don't trust it? Who are you again? How many hundreds of TB of storage do you manage on EXT3/4? ;) NASA also trusts Windows and NTFS too? Who are you again? I think you are

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Tue July 27 2010, Stan Hoeppner wrote: I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is smart enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what filesystem you use. If you're not you shouldn't be here.  If you disagree on the technical merits (not cost), you're

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Mark
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Volkan YAZICI yazic...@ttmail.com wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes: NASA trusts it with over 1PB of storage, but _you_ don't trust it? Who are you again? How many hundreds of TB of storage do you manage on EXT3/4?

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread B. Alexander
We use XFS in production at work. Where I work, we are routinely dealing with hundreds of terabytes of data (I have heard the word petabyte bandied about in several meetings), so we are beyond or hovering on the edge of the size limits and performance limits of the ext filesystems. At home, I

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Volkan YAZICI
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes: I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is smart enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what filesystem you use. If you're not you shouldn't be here. If you disagree on the technical merits

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 27. 07. 2010 19:48:53 je Mark napisal(a): NASA also trusts Windows and NTFS too? NASA also backs up their data on 5.25 floppy disks [1]. [1] *completely made up information NASA as an authority on reliable storage? C'mon, the bozos can't even be trusted with their own

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 12:03 PM: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.comwrote: Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM: You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures. (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread John Hasler
Stan Hoeppner writes: I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is smart enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what filesystem you use. If you're not you shouldn't be here. I guess I don't belong here then... -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:19 PM: About a year ago, in a similar rush to yours, I ported two of our PostgreSQL database servers to XFS. During testing period, I even couldn't *recover* the / fs after the very first power failure test. What write operations were you performing at

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:29 PM: I don't even think Linus is using XFS too. Isn't he a technical person Linus uses them all. You should know that. in terms of your definition? So what should we do in that case? Ask to RMS? kernel.org servers all run XFS as well. -- Stan

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Volkan YAZICI
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes: What write operations were you performing at the time you pulled the plug? Unless you were writing the superblock it'd be almost impossible to hose the filesystem to the point it couldn't mount. Were you doing a resize operation

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:59 PM: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes: I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is smart enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what filesystem you use. If you're not you shouldn't be

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aniruddha
Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with XFS on my laptop and see how well it deals with power failures :)

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 2:04 PM: unplugged machine. At boot, I dropped to fsck command line. At command Were you forced to the command line or did you manually select to go to the command line? It sounds like you chose to, not forced to. prompt, I manually fiddled around with

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 2:47 PM: Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with XFS on my laptop and see how well it deals with power failures :) Thanks for picking up the torch/gauntlet/whatever. How do you laptop test this issue? It's a laptop. Yank the battery? Yanking

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aniruddha
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 2:47 PM: Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with  XFS on my laptop and see how well it deals with power failures :) Thanks for picking up the torch/gauntlet/whatever.  

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aniruddha
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Aniruddha mailingdotl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 2:47 PM: Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with  XFS on my laptop and see how well it deals

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:39:18PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:19 PM: About a year ago, in a similar rush to yours, I ported two of our PostgreSQL database servers to XFS. During testing period, I even couldn't *recover* the / fs after the very

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-27 Thread Aaron Toponce
On 7/26/2010 11:46 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Lu, 26 iul 10, 12:42:05, Steve McIntyre wrote: As an ex-DPL and the guy who puts together the official release Debian CDs, I can vouch for his work. It's been very useful for me in the past. jokeYou forgot to GPG sign the mail/joke :p Maybe

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-27 Thread Steve McIntyre
Aaron Toponce wrote: On 7/26/2010 11:46 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Lu, 26 iul 10, 12:42:05, Steve McIntyre wrote: As an ex-DPL and the guy who puts together the official release Debian CDs, I can vouch for his work. It's been very useful for me in the past. jokeYou forgot to GPG sign the

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Rob Owens put forth on 7/27/2010 4:36 PM: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:39:18PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:19 PM: About a year ago, in a similar rush to yours, I ported two of our PostgreSQL database servers to XFS. During testing period, I even couldn't

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20100727_134650, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:29 PM: I don't even think Linus is using XFS too. Isn't he a technical person Linus uses them all. You should know that. in terms of your definition? So what should we do in that case? Ask to RMS?

Kudos to any DD contributing to debian-user [was: Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 27 iul 10, 23:43:07, Steve McIntyre wrote: I read debian-user locally via a mail-to-news gateway, which makes it much more hassle for me to sign messages. Joke aside, I'd rather you continue reading debian-user, so whatever works for you is good ;) Kudos to you and the other DDs[1]

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Why don't you just use the images provided by kmuto? They are exactly what you are looking for. I don't get your resistence ... No any resistance absolutely! I think too that it is the thing I'm looking for. Just two important things remain for me

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 18:00 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Why don't you just use the images provided by kmuto? They are exactly what you are looking for. I don't get your resistence ... No any resistance absolutely! I think too that it is the

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Steve McIntyre
Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Why don't you just use the images provided by kmuto? They are exactly what you are looking for. I don't get your resistence ... No any resistance absolutely! I think too that it is the thing I'm looking for. Just two important

Re: [OT] Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 26. 07. 2010 14:08:50 je Wolodja Wentland napisal(a): 1. If it is trustable/secure as the stable Debian (for for now all I have is just phrases like believe me w/ no any farther approval from the Debian project). In other words and including of all I have on that item is this: I can

Re: [OT] Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr wrote: Dne, 26. 07. 2010 14:08:50 je Wolodja Wentland napisal(a): 1. If it is trustable/secure as the stable Debian (for for now all I have is just phrases like believe me w/ no any farther approval from the Debian

Re: [OT] Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 16:46 +0200, Klistvud wrote: Google for Kenshi Muto Debian and Kenshi Muto site:lists.debian.org and you should get enough information to answer that question. I am not aware of any official Debian initiated poll that answers the question What do you think of

Re: [OT] Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Lisi
On Monday 26 July 2010 15:43:55 Tom H wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr wrote: Dne, 26. 07. 2010 14:08:50 je Wolodja Wentland napisal(a): 1. If it is trustable/secure as the stable Debian (for for now all I have is just phrases like believe me w/ no

Re: [OT] Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Lisi
From: Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Today 16:17:54 On Monday 26 July 2010 15:43:55 Tom H wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr wrote: Dne, 26. 07. 2010 14:08:50 je Wolodja Wentland napisal(a): 1. If it is

Re: [OT] Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Lisi
On Monday 26 July 2010 16:19:29 Lisi wrote: From: Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Today 16:17:54 [snip] Sorry everyone. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Ron: What part of This directory provides Debian GNU/Linux Stable installer ISO images with a modification by Kenshi Muto to support newer hardwares, such as SATA and Ethernet devices. don't you understand? Sorry, what are You talking about? -- To

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Lisi: If you don't like any of the suggestions, you have four choices: 1) Do nothing, use a filing system which is used in the basic Lenny installation and wait for Squeeze to become Stable. That's my choice for now. 2) Use Squeeze; it is apparently

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 08:17:06PM +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Ron: What part of This directory provides Debian GNU/Linux Stable installer ISO images with a modification by Kenshi Muto to support newer hardwares, such as SATA and Ethernet devices. don't

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 26 iul 10, 12:42:05, Steve McIntyre wrote: As an ex-DPL and the guy who puts together the official release Debian CDs, I can vouch for his work. It's been very useful for me in the past. jokeYou forgot to GPG sign the mail/joke :p Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Lisi
On Monday 26 July 2010 14:25:47 Sthu Deus wrote: Or you could still always do as has been suggested several times: use Kenshi Muto's installer. As soon as I understand that it is trustworthy. You aren't going to do so because you don't accept it. If you want the sort of stability and

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 06:00:34PM +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Why don't you just use the images provided by kmuto? They are exactly what you are looking for. I don't get your resistence ... No any resistance absolutely! I think too that it is the

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Go to http://db.debian.org/search.cgi and search for First name: Kenshi Last name: Muto Which will provide further information about Kenshi like his IRC name (i.e. kmuto) and his GPG fingerprint. You could also check for his key in the

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-25 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sb, 24 iul 10, 19:51:53, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Good question. I don't know how to verify the installation media. Assuming it uses the standard apt and normal repositories, all the packages installed during installation will be verified, and the archive/repository must be

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-25 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 19:51:53 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Saturday 24 July 2010 17:21:28 Florian Kulzer wrote: Furthermore, he is asking the wrong question if he wants real security. If one downloads via an insecure protocol (http, ftp) then it does not matter if the URL

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-24 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Ron: Isn't the Stable kernel too old to have a stable ext4 implementation? I guess it is, so no other official ways to go? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-24 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Ron: This sure looks like it might be a Live CD: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.32/lenny-custom-0116.iso How I can be sure it is official and by the Debian security team supported? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-24 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Andrei: Yes it is. That's why I suggested the kmuto installer. Is there any reference fro Debian web site to the kmuto site - I have found one reference from searching machine but the link was not found on the Debian site. How I can know that the ISO images

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-24 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sb, 24 iul 10, 13:50:02, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Andrei: Yes it is. That's why I suggested the kmuto installer. Is there any reference fro Debian web site to the kmuto site - I have found one reference from searching machine but the link was not found on

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-24 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 13:43 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Ron: This sure looks like it might be a Live CD: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.32/lenny-custom-0116.iso How I can be sure it is official and by the Debian security team supported? Why don't

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/24/2010 01:43 AM, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Ron: This sure looks like it might be a Live CD: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.32/lenny-custom-0116.iso How I can be sure it is official and by the Debian security team supported? What part of This

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-24 Thread Lisi
On Saturday 24 July 2010 07:39:49 Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Ron: Isn't the Stable kernel too old to have a stable ext4 implementation? I guess it is, so no other official ways to go? If you don't like any of the suggestions, you have four choices: 1) Do nothing,

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/24/2010 01:50 AM, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Andrei: Yes it is. That's why I suggested the kmuto installer. Is there any reference fro Debian web site to the kmuto site - I have found one reference from searching machine but the link was not found on the

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-24 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 14:21:38 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/24/2010 01:50 AM, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Andrei: Yes it is. That's why I suggested the kmuto installer. Is there any reference fro Debian web site to the kmuto site - I have found one reference

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-24 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Saturday 24 July 2010 17:21:28 Florian Kulzer wrote: Furthermore, he is asking the wrong question if he wants real security. If one downloads via an insecure protocol (http, ftp) then it does not matter if the URL points to debian.org, kmuto.jp or rootkits-r-us.com, because one is

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-23 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Jo, 22 iul 10, 21:47:50, Ron Johnson wrote: Is it possible to obtain a cd image of the stable Debian w/ a kernel supporting ext4 so that I can install it on the FS and then boot from the HDD? Isn't the Stable kernel too old to have a stable ext4 implementation? Yes it is. That's why

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-23 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Do You know how safe it is? What do you mean? The kmuto installer is an installer for Debian stable releases with up-to-date kernels provided by a Debian developer. Are You speaking about this images http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ ? If not then

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/23/2010 11:08 AM, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Do You know how safe it is? What do you mean? The kmuto installer is an installer for Debian stable releases with up-to-date kernels provided by a Debian developer. Are You speaking about this

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-23 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Sthu Deus put forth on 7/23/2010 11:08 AM: Are You speaking about this images http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ ? If not then why do speak about the installer? I need not a special installer. Yes, you do. I need a stable installable CD that is able to install on ext4 (on HDD). Such an

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/19/2010 12:09 PM, Sthu Deus wrote: Good day. Is it possible to obtain a cd image of the stable Debian w/ a kernel supporting ext4 so that I can install it on the FS and then boot from the HDD? Isn't the Stable kernel too old to have a stable ext4 implementation? -- Seek truth from

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-20 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Andrei: The kmuto installer was mentioned earlier on the list. Do You know how safe it is? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-20 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 01:15 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Andrei: The kmuto installer was mentioned earlier on the list. Do You know how safe it is? What do you mean? The kmuto installer is an installer for Debian stable releases with up-to-date kernels

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-20 Thread Amrit Panesar
On 7/20/2010 11:15 AM, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Andrei: The kmuto installer was mentioned earlier on the list. Do You know how safe it is? It is save. We assure you. The kumto installer is the main alternative debian installer and is widely used

Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-19 Thread Sthu Deus
Good day. Is it possible to obtain a cd image of the stable Debian w/ a kernel supporting ext4 so that I can install it on the FS and then boot from the HDD? Thank You for Your time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-19 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 20 iul 10, 00:09:53, Sthu Deus wrote: Good day. Is it possible to obtain a cd image of the stable Debian w/ a kernel supporting ext4 so that I can install it on the FS and then boot from the HDD? The kmuto installer was mentioned earlier on the list. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic