Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
Hello again, It turns out that the problem was not having the proper driver for my i3 processor's integrated graphics. I had the drivers for a previous processor versions and after this upgrade, I get the maximum resolution supported by my screen. On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:40:03 PM UTC+5:30, aditya menon wrote: Hello everyone, I'm planning to get a new computer, and the one I really like is an All-in-one from Lenovo with ATI HD 6450 graphics. Does anyone have experience with that? I made a huge mistake last time by getting an nVidia Optimus card, it turned out that neither Linux nor many games work properly with it (nVidia's fault for not releasing proper drivers). I tried a lot of stuff including bumblebee etc (which doesn't work but I botched the uninstall and it still lives on my computer) I want to mitigate that risk this time... please help? Thanks! -- sincerely, aditya menon - +91989309 - http://www.forrst.me/adityamenon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/77207f1d-02e8-419f-98d1-114d6e7df...@googlegroups.com
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:13 PM, aditya menon adityameno...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again, It turns out that the problem was not having the proper driver for my i3 processor's integrated graphics. I had the drivers for a previous processor versions and after this upgrade, I get the maximum resolution supported by my screen. Greetings, I installed some high-end Nvidia cards on LInux (Debian and Ubuntu) lately, While I don't have the names and models handy, those models had perfect support , the drivers were up-to-date and showed full utilization of the hardware power. The main trouble I had was with Ubuntu's ever-new Kernels, and getting the kernel sources/ headers to be read by the installation script . For multiple monitors setup, I used 'nvidia-settings' , and while it took some times, the correct settings were found, written to xorg.conf, and the rest is history. So, just check online that the card your aiming for has Linux drivers, and you should be fine. -- Guy Gold -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALQ72QFmtEqXRFm+6bmoryS-OtFC5zM3ZnxDQqDke7Tt=41...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On 07/12/2012 03:04 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 12/07/12 04:58 AM, Ivo Ugrina wrote: I've bought ATI 6750 a few months ago and I'm not satisfied with FLOSS driver. I can't suspend anymore. The card simply won't shut down. Did you file a bug report for it? Nope :( I've solved it with disabling KMS I've found the Debian package maintainers to be quite eager to work with people to resolve issues relating to their packages. They don't have easy access to all the possible hardware variations so they need bug reports to alert them to problems. -- Ivo Ugrina -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5002c2ec.4030...@iugrina.com
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On 15/07/12 09:17 AM, Ivo Ugrina wrote: On 07/12/2012 03:04 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 12/07/12 04:58 AM, Ivo Ugrina wrote: I've bought ATI 6750 a few months ago and I'm not satisfied with FLOSS driver. I can't suspend anymore. The card simply won't shut down. Did you file a bug report for it? Nope :( I've solved it with disabling KMS That's not a solution. It's a work-around. The bug still exists and won't be fixed unless it's reported. I've found the Debian package maintainers to be quite eager to work with people to resolve issues relating to their packages. They don't have easy access to all the possible hardware variations so they need bug reports to alert them to problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5002cbbf.8050...@rogers.com
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On Jo, 12 iul 12, 19:40:33, Gary Dale wrote: On 12/07/12 06:41 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 12 iul 12, 09:04:48, Gary Dale wrote: On 12/07/12 04:58 AM, Ivo Ugrina wrote: I've bought ATI 6750 a few months ago and I'm not satisfied with FLOSS driver. I can't suspend anymore. The card simply won't shut down. Did you file a bug report for it? I've found the Debian package maintainers to be quite eager to work with people to resolve issues relating to their packages. They don't have easy access to all the possible hardware variations so they need bug reports to alert them to problems. Err, since they don't have the source code there is not much they can do about it. You said you were using the open source driver. You probably meant Ivo, but you're right, I somehow understood he was talking about the non-free driver :( Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
I've bought ATI 6750 a few months ago and I'm not satisfied with FLOSS driver. I can't suspend anymore. The card simply won't shut down. -- Ivo Ugrina -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ffe91a4.3010...@iugrina.com
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On 12/07/12 04:58 AM, Ivo Ugrina wrote: I've bought ATI 6750 a few months ago and I'm not satisfied with FLOSS driver. I can't suspend anymore. The card simply won't shut down. Did you file a bug report for it? I've found the Debian package maintainers to be quite eager to work with people to resolve issues relating to their packages. They don't have easy access to all the possible hardware variations so they need bug reports to alert them to problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ffecb70.1010...@rogers.com
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On Jo, 12 iul 12, 09:04:48, Gary Dale wrote: On 12/07/12 04:58 AM, Ivo Ugrina wrote: I've bought ATI 6750 a few months ago and I'm not satisfied with FLOSS driver. I can't suspend anymore. The card simply won't shut down. Did you file a bug report for it? I've found the Debian package maintainers to be quite eager to work with people to resolve issues relating to their packages. They don't have easy access to all the possible hardware variations so they need bug reports to alert them to problems. Err, since they don't have the source code there is not much they can do about it. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On 12/07/12 06:41 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 12 iul 12, 09:04:48, Gary Dale wrote: On 12/07/12 04:58 AM, Ivo Ugrina wrote: I've bought ATI 6750 a few months ago and I'm not satisfied with FLOSS driver. I can't suspend anymore. The card simply won't shut down. Did you file a bug report for it? I've found the Debian package maintainers to be quite eager to work with people to resolve issues relating to their packages. They don't have easy access to all the possible hardware variations so they need bug reports to alert them to problems. Err, since they don't have the source code there is not much they can do about it. Kind regards, Andrei You said you were using the open source driver. If you are using the proprietary driver, you would have to file a bug report with AMD. This may or may not be responded to. I was having a problem with my new HD 6450 card that the package maintainer helped me with very quickly. A couple of e-mails and it was humming along. As an FYI for anyone using video cards, it seems the latest thing is move some of the code to the kernel, removing it from the xorg-server-video driver. This means that I needed a kernel module in addition to the xorg driver. Once installed and loaded, the video worked great. This is probably only an issue when you change video cards and the correct module doesn't get loaded. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fff6071.1010...@rogers.com
Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
Hello everyone, I'm planning to get a new computer, and the one I really like is an All-in-one from Lenovo with *ATI HD 6450 *graphics. Does anyone have experience with that? I made a huge mistake last time by getting an nVidia Optimus card, it turned out that neither Linux nor many games work properly with it (nVidia's fault for not releasing proper drivers). I tried a lot of stuff including bumblebee etc (which doesn't work but I botched the uninstall and it still lives on my computer) I want to mitigate that risk this time... please help? Thanks! -- sincerely, aditya menon - +91989309 - http://www.forrst.me/adityamenon
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 17:30 +0530, aditya menon wrote: All-in-one from Lenovo with ATI I bought a mobo with an integrated ATI that as separated card has got proprietary driver support, but the integrated thingy only worked with the FLOSS driver, without 3D acceleration. The manual does call it Integrated ATI Radeon X 1250-based graphics, the keyword seems to be based. I bought a NVidia card for the mobo. I suspect that for many needs Intel graphics will work best with Linux, but I don't know people playing games, perhaps Intel graphics don't fit to gamer's needs. For NVidia cards I only heard about issues with the new proprietary drivers, but older drivers work like a charm. Since I'm a kernel-rt user, there's a serous license issue. Nouveau (FLOSS) is a PITA for many needs and many tasks and nv (FLOSS) is dropped, just a few distros still ship with the nv driver. The proprietary driver is hard to use with a kernel-rt and if it should work, than you'll offend the licenses. I dunno if there are licenses issues for ATI too, there shouldn't be such issues for Intel drivers. Cheers, Ralf PS: I like the color of your email, but it's uncommon to forma mails to mailing lists by HTML, please use plain text only. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342009161.2072.13.camel@precise
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
Hi Ralf, Sorry about the formatting, I'll keep it plain from now on =) Thank you for your detailed reply. The main reason I want Graphics card support on Linux is that I want a high resolution to work with. The integrated card offers atrocious support for resolution (only 800x600). So the summary would be that there are open source drivers available, they do work, but I may be violating licences - am I right? On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 17:30 +0530, aditya menon wrote: All-in-one from Lenovo with ATI I bought a mobo with an integrated ATI that as separated card has got proprietary driver support, but the integrated thingy only worked with the FLOSS driver, without 3D acceleration. The manual does call it Integrated ATI Radeon X 1250-based graphics, the keyword seems to be based. I bought a NVidia card for the mobo. I suspect that for many needs Intel graphics will work best with Linux, but I don't know people playing games, perhaps Intel graphics don't fit to gamer's needs. For NVidia cards I only heard about issues with the new proprietary drivers, but older drivers work like a charm. Since I'm a kernel-rt user, there's a serous license issue. Nouveau (FLOSS) is a PITA for many needs and many tasks and nv (FLOSS) is dropped, just a few distros still ship with the nv driver. The proprietary driver is hard to use with a kernel-rt and if it should work, than you'll offend the licenses. I dunno if there are licenses issues for ATI too, there shouldn't be such issues for Intel drivers. Cheers, Ralf PS: I like the color of your email, but it's uncommon to forma mails to mailing lists by HTML, please use plain text only. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342009161.2072.13.camel@precise -- sincerely, aditya menon - +91989309 - http://www.forrst.me/adityamenon
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 18:04 +0530, aditya menon wrote: So the summary would be that there are open source drivers available, they do work, but I may be violating licences - am I right? You aren't. Pardon for my broken English. Open source drivers don't violate any license. A combination of open source licensed software and proprietary drivers sometimes does offend each others license, but not always. There are open source drivers. You should search the web, if the card you wish to use is supported. The open source drivers don't support or have a limited support of 3D acceleration, but usually all resolutions do work. If a card isn't supported, than usually the open source vesa driver does work without 3D acceleration and only with a limited resolution, take a look at (extended) vesa standards. Hth, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342011104.2072.22.camel@precise
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
If a card isn't supported, than usually the open source vesa driver does work without 3D acceleration and only with a limited resolution, take a look at (extended) vesa standards. Oops, (extended) VGA standards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342011376.2072.24.camel@precise
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
Okay, thanks again... I'll research more again if the card is supported (and whether I can get extended VGA standards) :) On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: If a card isn't supported, than usually the open source vesa driver does work without 3D acceleration and only with a limited resolution, take a look at (extended) vesa standards. Oops, (extended) VGA standards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342011376.2072.24.camel@precise -- sincerely, aditya menon - +91989309 - http://www.forrst.me/adityamenon
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On 11/07/12 09:07 AM, aditya menon wrote: Okay, thanks again... I'll research more again if the card is supported (and whether I can get extended VGA standards) :) AMD/ATI make proprietary drivers for their cards. However for many cards, the open source drivers work as well or better. The radeonhd driver is part of X.org. By coincidence, I've just also purchased a HD 6450 card since the price was right. Got it at Canada Computers for $19.99 (after mail-in rebate) yesterday. It's a step up from the integrated HD 3300 on my motherboard. To learn how to install the proprietary drivers go to http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/#Squeeze. Note that you can also install from AMD/ATI's installer but this is trickier and may not work with Squeeze. Using the Debian/Squeeze sources, you can usually get it working without too much effort. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ffd8108.3080...@rogers.com
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:30:05 +0530, aditya menon wrote: I'm planning to get a new computer, and the one I really like is an All-in-one from Lenovo with *ATI HD 6450 *graphics. Does anyone have experience with that? I made a huge mistake last time by getting an nVidia Optimus card, it turned out that neither Linux nor many games work properly with it (nVidia's fault for not releasing proper drivers). I tried a lot of stuff including bumblebee etc (which doesn't work but I botched the uninstall and it still lives on my computer) I want to mitigate that risk this time... please help? Thanks! I find the current graphics card market very unpleasant for linux users: 1/ Intel chipsets are usually well supported from the open source driver but their hardware is (or can be, depending on the user needings) a bit lacking. 2/ nVidia has a good deal between their hardware (apart from their bambidubi thingy, of course) and driver but you probably end up using the closed source one which is very good but non free. 3/ ATI... well, ATI has (or should have by now) a good open source driver (radeon) and also powerful VGA cards/chipsets but you'd first ensure the chipset you are planning to buy is supported within the kernel version you planning to install. Let's see. ATI HD 6450 pertains to their northern island (caicos)¹ series and looking into the Xorg card matrix², it seems this chipset is supported since kernel 2.6.38 (remember that Squeeze has an older kernel 2.6.32 but there's still the backported one 3.2.x). ¹http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Northern_Islands_.28HD_6xxx.29_series ²http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature#Feature_Matrix_for_Free_Radeon_Drivers Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jtk192$4fh$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
Thank you, *everyone*, for the very helpful and detailed replies! I am much more confident of that chip now. Looks like it's a Buy ;D On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:30:05 +0530, aditya menon wrote: I'm planning to get a new computer, and the one I really like is an All-in-one from Lenovo with *ATI HD 6450 *graphics. Does anyone have experience with that? I made a huge mistake last time by getting an nVidia Optimus card, it turned out that neither Linux nor many games work properly with it (nVidia's fault for not releasing proper drivers). I tried a lot of stuff including bumblebee etc (which doesn't work but I botched the uninstall and it still lives on my computer) I want to mitigate that risk this time... please help? Thanks! I find the current graphics card market very unpleasant for linux users: 1/ Intel chipsets are usually well supported from the open source driver but their hardware is (or can be, depending on the user needings) a bit lacking. 2/ nVidia has a good deal between their hardware (apart from their bambidubi thingy, of course) and driver but you probably end up using the closed source one which is very good but non free. 3/ ATI... well, ATI has (or should have by now) a good open source driver (radeon) and also powerful VGA cards/chipsets but you'd first ensure the chipset you are planning to buy is supported within the kernel version you planning to install. Let's see. ATI HD 6450 pertains to their northern island (caicos)¹ series and looking into the Xorg card matrix², it seems this chipset is supported since kernel 2.6.38 (remember that Squeeze has an older kernel 2.6.32 but there's still the backported one 3.2.x). ¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Northern_Islands_.28HD_6xxx.29_series ² http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature#Feature_Matrix_for_Free_Radeon_Drivers Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jtk192$4fh$6...@dough.gmane.org -- sincerely, aditya menon - +91989309 - http://www.forrst.me/adityamenon
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On Mi, 11 iul 12, 18:04:24, aditya menon wrote: Thank you for your detailed reply. The main reason I want Graphics card support on Linux is that I want a high resolution to work with. The integrated card offers atrocious support for resolution (only 800x600). I seriously doubt that. Would you please attach your Xorg.0.log to investigate? Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Do ATI HD cards have good working drivers for Linux (Debian Squeeze in particular)
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 00:35 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 11 iul 12, 18:04:24, aditya menon wrote: Thank you for your detailed reply. The main reason I want Graphics card support on Linux is that I want a high resolution to work with. The integrated card offers atrocious support for resolution (only 800x600). I seriously doubt that. Would you please attach your Xorg.0.log to investigate? Oops, yes, at least VGA resolutions should be available. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1342044210.2311.53.camel@precise
