Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:16:55 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:57:06 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:04:37 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) I can't tell why it works for you in fedora but when the flashplayer plugin is properly detected by the browser and it can't load a file it usually means the problems is elsewhere. Anyway, Lenny was using Iceweasel 3.0.x (not 3.5.x) unless you got the updated version from the backports version and 3.0.x it can be very old. I don't know either, but with Fedora I've always installed the plugin manually. I also do it that way: go to the Adobe site, manually fetch the tar.gz and extract the .so file under my user's mozilla profile. That is, downloaded the archive directly from Adobe and copied it as root to the appropriate directory (usually /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/), so it's globally available, renaming the previous version so it won't be overwritten. I prefer to restrict the scope of the flashplayer plugin for just my user, that way I can launch different browsers with different plugins. This just in case the new one doesn't work, since I've been using until recently alphas or betas of the 64-bit version. Just followed Adobe's generic Linux install instructions. Never enabled Adobe's Fedora repository for this as it's all 32-bit, and won't work with a 64-bit browser unless you use a wrapper. Too much trouble. How is that Fedora does not have an external repository for the 64 bits version of the plugin? That sounds unbelievable :-? I think most Debian users use apt-get to install the plugin. Maybe, there's the rub. Many users do, indeed... but I always recommend using the Adobe file directly. I find it an easier and more convenient method though you have to manually search for updates. I've never had problems with that. In fact, I'm using right now adobe flashplayer in Firefox (the plugin is located in my user's home) and gnash in Epiphany (plugin is installed system wide), they do not collide. Adobe says to delete or rename the old version before installing the new. I forgot one time and had an old version in my /home directory and the new version in /usr. The browser (Firefox) recognized and reported both, but neither would work until I deleted or renamed one or the other. This was with Fedora Core 6, I think, years ago. Different versions shouldn't collide because the first listed is the one used by the browser. But know knows, I've seen weird things with the plugins, and not just flashplayer but also java :-) I've never had any success getting gnash to work. Stock versions of the plugin usually works with sites that used older versions of the player (10). My guess is that updating gnash to the latest version will just work with most of the sites but users find it is easier to get the Adobe flashplayer plugin than having to update gnash... Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jgj00s$273$4...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:16:55 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:57:06 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:04:37 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) . [snip] This just in case the new one doesn't work, since I've been using until recently alphas or betas of the 64-bit version. Just followed Adobe's generic Linux install instructions. Never enabled Adobe's Fedora repository for this as it's all 32-bit, and won't work with a 64-bit browser unless you use a wrapper. Too much trouble. How is that Fedora does not have an external repository for the 64 bits version of the plugin? That sounds unbelievable :-? They do, but Fedora is very strict with their repositories and the contents (apps, drivers, plugins, etc.): Open Source only, whether 32 or 64-bit, with source available. Anything proprietary like Flash, or where source isn't available, must be in third party ones, and is unsupported by Fedora. In other words: Use at Your Own Risk. Adobe has its own Fedora repository, many software developers do, but it's all 32-bit. As far as I know, Adobe has no 64-bit repository for sotware or plugins. Of course, I haven't checked in a couple of years. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1328380486.3022.yahoomail...@web160301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:34:46 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:16:55 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:57:06 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:04:37 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) How is that Fedora does not have an external repository for the 64 bits version of the plugin? That sounds unbelievable :-? They do, but Fedora is very strict with their repositories and the contents (apps, drivers, plugins, etc.): Open Source only, whether 32 or 64-bit, with source available. Anything proprietary like Flash, or where source isn't available, must be in third party ones, and is unsupported by Fedora. In other words: Use at Your Own Risk. The same happens in Debian. Adobe has its own Fedora repository, many software developers do, but it's all 32-bit. As far as I know, Adobe has no 64-bit repository for sotware or plugins. Of course, I haven't checked in a couple of years. You mean this YUM source? http://get.adobe.com/es/flashplayer/completion/?installer=Flash_Player_11_for_other_Linux_(YUM)_64-bit What I don't know if it is working right now :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jgjv9k$273$2...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:57:06 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:04:37 +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:37:11 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: Do you have a solution? Did you try what I suggested? Have you tried with an updated Firefox? Mmm, it seems that latest Adobe FlashPlayer (11.x) requires at least Firefox 4, so getting the latest version (now 10.0) will do the job. http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/tech-specs.html That's what it says, but . . . Flashplayer 11.1 r102, Firefox 3.5.15, Fedora 12 (all 64-bit) works just fine here. Works in Google Chrome 16.0.912.63, 64-bit, too. My Debian 6 install, also 64-bit, has neither Firefox or Chrome installed, and only the 10.x version of Flash. So, I can't test. I can't tell why it works for you in fedora but when the flashplayer plugin is properly detected by the browser and it can't load a file it usually means the problems is elsewhere. Anyway, Lenny was using Iceweasel 3.0.x (not 3.5.x) unless you got the updated version from the backports version and 3.0.x it can be very old. To the OP: Have you removed, moved, or renamed the old version(s) of Flash? If not, two different versions of Flash even in different directories will cause problems. I've never had problems with that. In fact, I'm using right now adobe flashplayer in Firefox (the plugin is located in my user's home) and gnash in Epiphany (plugin is installed system wide), they do not collide. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jgh118$bgm$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:57:06 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:04:37 +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:37:11 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: Do you have a solution? Did you try what I suggested? Have you tried with an updated Firefox? Mmm, it seems that latest Adobe FlashPlayer (11.x) requires at least Firefox 4, so getting the latest version (now 10.0) will do the job. http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/tech-specs.html That's what it says, but . . . Flashplayer 11.1 r102, Firefox 3.5.15, Fedora 12 (all 64-bit) works just fine here. Works in Google Chrome 16.0.912.63, 64-bit, too. My Debian 6 install, also 64-bit, has neither Firefox or Chrome installed, and only the 10.x version of Flash. So, I can't test. I can't tell why it works for you in fedora but when the flashplayer plugin is properly detected by the browser and it can't load a file it usually means the problems is elsewhere. Anyway, Lenny was using Iceweasel 3.0.x (not 3.5.x) unless you got the updated version from the backports version and 3.0.x it can be very old. I don't know either, but with Fedora I've always installed the plugin manually. That is, downloaded the archive directly from Adobe and copied it as root to the appropriate directory (usually /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/), so it's globally available, renaming the previous version so it won't be overwritten. This just in case the new one doesn't work, since I've been using until recently alphas or betas of the 64-bit version. Just followed Adobe's generic Linux install instructions. Never enabled Adobe's Fedora repository for this as it's all 32-bit, and won't work with a 64-bit browser unless you use a wrapper. Too much trouble. I think most Debian users use apt-get to install the plugin. Maybe, there's the rub. To the OP: Have you removed, moved, or renamed the old version(s) of Flash? If not, two different versions of Flash even in different directories will cause problems. I've never had problems with that. In fact, I'm using right now adobe flashplayer in Firefox (the plugin is located in my user's home) and gnash in Epiphany (plugin is installed system wide), they do not collide. Adobe says to delete or rename the old version before installing the new. I forgot one time and had an old version in my /home directory and the new version in /usr. The browser (Firefox) recognized and reported both, but neither would work until I deleted or renamed one or the other. This was with Fedora Core 6, I think, years ago. I've never had any success getting gnash to work. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1328307415.71289.yahoomail...@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
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Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:37:11 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: Do you have a solution? Did you try what I suggested? Have you tried with an updated Firefox? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jge1l5$qa4$5...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
Hi. $ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree OR $ sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install Sincerely, wanderlust --- Оригінальне повідомлення --- Від кого: Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be Кому: debian-user@lists.debian.org Дата: 2 лютого 2012, 12:57:00 Тема: Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Do you have a solution? - -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ - -- Remember. If something can go wrong, it will. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8qZ1cACgkQM0LLzLt8Mhz+kgCfZ/0kOlScVOudoS9Y3dFojSIh 1b4AniEGEShUGOe/txk4xk4mMQLjRe01 =jUIz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87aa51msh4.fsf@merciadriluca-station.MERCIADRILUCA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/99350.1328187023.15886746311710998...@ffe1.ukr.net
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:04:37 +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:37:11 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: Do you have a solution? Did you try what I suggested? Have you tried with an updated Firefox? Mmm, it seems that latest Adobe FlashPlayer (11.x) requires at least Firefox 4, so getting the latest version (now 10.0) will do the job. http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/tech-specs.html Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jge7a4$qa4$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:04:37 +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:37:11 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: Do you have a solution? Did you try what I suggested? Have you tried with an updated Firefox? Mmm, it seems that latest Adobe FlashPlayer (11.x) requires at least Firefox 4, so getting the latest version (now 10.0) will do the job. http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/tech-specs.html Thanks! That was the solution! I was actually trying to install Flash 11.x for a Firefox 4. - -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ - -- If you want a thing done right, do it yourself. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8qzjgACgkQM0LLzLt8MhzgvgCgryvU7Dyr8VC6yiC/sKSXPk0/ uRYAn1S7f42cbydQ6RaK22TkurapjYee =6di6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87haz9nmpz.fsf@merciadriluca-station.MERCIADRILUCA
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:04:37 +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:37:11 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: Do you have a solution? Did you try what I suggested? Have you tried with an updated Firefox? Mmm, it seems that latest Adobe FlashPlayer (11.x) requires at least Firefox 4, so getting the latest version (now 10.0) will do the job. http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/tech-specs.html That's what it says, but . . . Flashplayer 11.1 r102, Firefox 3.5.15, Fedora 12 (all 64-bit) works just fine here. Works in Google Chrome 16.0.912.63, 64-bit, too. My Debian 6 install, also 64-bit, has neither Firefox or Chrome installed, and only the 10.x version of Flash. So, I can't test. To the OP: Have you removed, moved, or renamed the old version(s) of Flash? If not, two different versions of Flash even in different directories will cause problems. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1328216226.20071.yahoomail...@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com writes: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:04:37 +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:37:11 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: Do you have a solution? Did you try what I suggested? Have you tried with an updated Firefox? Mmm, it seems that latest Adobe FlashPlayer (11.x) requires at least Firefox 4, so getting the latest version (now 10.0) will do the job. http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/tech-specs.html That's what it says, but . . . Flashplayer 11.1 r102, Firefox 3.5.15, Fedora 12 (all 64-bit) works just fine here. Works in Google Chrome 16.0.912.63, 64-bit, too. My Debian 6 install, also 64-bit, has neither Firefox or Chrome installed, and only the 10.x version of Flash. So, I can't test. To the OP: Have you removed, moved, or renamed the old version(s) of Flash? If not, two different versions of Flash even in different directories will cause problems. Yes. Thanks. - -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ - -- It pays to pay attention. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8q/5MACgkQM0LLzLt8Mhy6BQCgiRR7p4h33oSuSGoPtG1+PpYQ DKcAni6X4Q3a59/Zz7sm8iYCg82kbEDK =hOXT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87obthkju4.fsf@merciadriluca-station.MERCIADRILUCA
Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm still using Debian Lenny, and would like to use Flash Player 11 under my Iceweasel (aka Firefox). I've downloaded the necessary file from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ (running 32 bits), three times because I tried the three proposed alternatives. When necessary, I put libflashplayer.so under /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. Each time, the plugin is correctly detected by Iceweasel, as can be seen at Tools Add-ons Plugins (`Shockwave Flash 11.1 r102'). However, when I try to load a webpage containing a flash animation, nothing loads, and it looks like I've got no Flash. Consequently, I'm assuming Flash Player 11 (the v10 works like a charm here) needs other packages, maybe more recent versions than the ones I have. Could someone provide more info on this? I need to install the v11 because many websites I'm regularly visiting (like Dailymotion) do not accept playing with a v10 Flash player (`You need to install Flash Player 11 [...].'). Note that I tried putting the .so file under ~/.mozilla/plugins/ but it systematically crashes Iceweasel. Thanks. All the best, - -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ - -- Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8pXLkACgkQM0LLzLt8MhyK3gCaA2MB0sz1Vxj0qB7wOk39ohgF yO8An2cUavdQlvorKRSechJpa36IkPPU =oISk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87y5sm7ebq.fsf@merciadriluca-station.MERCIADRILUCA
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:39:37 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: Hi, Hey, nice to see you here again :-) I'm still using Debian Lenny, and would like to use Flash Player 11 under my Iceweasel (aka Firefox). I've downloaded the necessary file from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ (running 32 bits), three times because I tried the three proposed alternatives. 1/ For upstream Firefox: $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/profile.default/plugins 2/ For Iceweasel: $HOME/.mozilla/plugins The same should be for using it system wide but I prefer to put Flashplayer into the user's home. When necessary, I put libflashplayer.so under /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. Each time, the plugin is correctly detected by Iceweasel, as can be seen at Tools Add-ons Plugins (`Shockwave Flash 11.1 r102'). However, when I try to load a webpage containing a flash animation, nothing loads, and it looks like I've got no Flash. Check the about:plugins page and see what is listed there (hint: order do matter). Consequently, I'm assuming Flash Player 11 (the v10 works like a charm here) needs other packages, maybe more recent versions than the ones I have. Could someone provide more info on this? I need to install the v11 because many websites I'm regularly visiting (like Dailymotion) do not accept playing with a v10 Flash player (`You need to install Flash Player 11 [...].'). Note that I tried putting the .so file under ~/.mozilla/plugins/ but it systematically crashes Iceweasel. I'm using Lenny (64 bits) with Firefox 10.0 (upstream packages) and Shockwave Flash 11.1 r102, it works like a charm :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jgbpg7$at5$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:39:37 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: Hi, Hey, nice to see you here again :-) :-) I'm still using Debian Lenny, and would like to use Flash Player 11 under my Iceweasel (aka Firefox). I've downloaded the necessary file from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ (running 32 bits), three times because I tried the three proposed alternatives. 1/ For upstream Firefox: $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/profile.default/plugins 2/ For Iceweasel: $HOME/.mozilla/plugins The same should be for using it system wide but I prefer to put Flashplayer into the user's home. When necessary, I put libflashplayer.so under /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. Each time, the plugin is correctly detected by Iceweasel, as can be seen at Tools Add-ons Plugins (`Shockwave Flash 11.1 r102'). However, when I try to load a webpage containing a flash animation, nothing loads, and it looks like I've got no Flash. Check the about:plugins page and see what is listed there (hint: order do matter). Done, and looks as expected: correct. Consequently, I'm assuming Flash Player 11 (the v10 works like a charm here) needs other packages, maybe more recent versions than the ones I have. Could someone provide more info on this? I need to install the v11 because many websites I'm regularly visiting (like Dailymotion) do not accept playing with a v10 Flash player (`You need to install Flash Player 11 [...].'). Note that I tried putting the .so file under ~/.mozilla/plugins/ but it systematically crashes Iceweasel. I'm using Lenny (64 bits) with Firefox 10.0 (upstream packages) and Shockwave Flash 11.1 r102, it works like a charm :-) Eh, not here! - -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ - -- If it's too good to be true, then it probably is. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8ps58ACgkQM0LLzLt8MhwLBACgorLkLw5eVEZksvnIxqhO9ZO3 Qx0AoJWLkaL1kNoHVnpjRxAIK8nVsGrn =yDyK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87aa522pgg.fsf@merciadriluca-station.MERCIADRILUCA
