Re: How stable is WINE?
Michael Janssen (CS/MATH stud.) wrote: IMHO, vmware is a rather large solution to just running windows - if you're looking for something commercial, you might take a look at win4lin (www.trelos.com). I have been using the eval version for about a week and I like it alot - it required a modified kernel, but once you get that done, it's amazing. I'm running potato, and I'm having problems installing the evaluation version. First, the quickdownload.sh downloaded an rpm package and not a deb. But since I'm not using slink (and I assume the deb would be for Corel), I simply ran alien on the rpm package to get a deb out of it. But running the install script fails: # sh install-win4lin.sh failed dependencies: /bin/sh is needed by Win4Lin-4.9.2k.eval-1 The Win4Lin package install failed. Of course, I have /bin/sh (I even removed the soft link and copied over a real binary to it). I can't find where it's testing this in the script so far. Any ideas? Did you get it to work under slink or potato? Thanks -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maurice Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada. 418-775-0852 FAX: 775-0546 6623'rd GNU/Linux user at the Counter - http://counter.li.org/
Re: How stable is WINE?
I wrote: Michael Janssen (CS/MATH stud.) wrote: you might take a look at win4lin (www.trelos.com). I have been using the eval version for about a week and I like it alot - it required a modified kernel, but once you get that done, it's amazing. I'm running potato, and I'm having problems installing the evaluation version. First, the quickdownload.sh downloaded an rpm package and not a deb. I downloaded the `complete' file Win4Lin1.0-eval.tgz and soft-linked the empty LINUX file to the one I had installed before. But since I'm not using slink (and I assume the deb would be for Corel), I simply ran alien on the rpm package to get a deb out of it. But running the install script fails: # sh install-win4lin.sh failed dependencies: /bin/sh is needed by Win4Lin-4.9.2k.eval-1 The Win4Lin package install failed. Seems it was calling `rpm' instead of `dpkg'. I hacked the install-win4lin.sh file, adding: trap Interrupt_Proc 1 2 3 15 Check_installed_$PKGMGR + PKGMGR=dpkg while true do I ran it, and it worked. The problem now it that my Windows 98 CD doesn't seem good enough for it. It came with a new Dell computer purchased in Canada (the english version). I emailed their support and got a very quick response: From: David Peet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: win2lin on Debian potato The CD you have is one of those Microsoft Special versions that cannot be used to install from. Microsoft intentionally removed the setup.exe program just to make sure no one can install a new machine from it. _David_ So I'll try again tomorrow using another Windows CD. - Beware, the install script installs these binaries (not registered with package management): cp ../LINUX/tools/insmod /sbin/insmod_ver cp ../LINUX/tools/rmmod /sbin/rmmod_ver Peter
Re: How stable is WINE?
On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 12:48:32PM +1000, Frank Copeland wrote: wine has a long way to go before it provides a general replacement for windows, but frankly that doesn't bother me one bit since I won't be using it for that. Even so wine does two things that make it extremely useful right now. One is that it allows people like Corel to port their applications written for the windows API to linux without too much pain. In fact much of the recent improvement in wine can be attributed to Corel. This is IMO the main function of WINE -- it's essentially a kit for porting Windows software to Linux, for certain values of Windows software. This is similar to the verso of Unix compatibility kits for Windows. Distinction being that the POSIX API is a well-documented and modularized standard, while the Win32 API is an undocumented, proprietary, tangled mess. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgptMGqxusgvx.pgp Description: PGP signature
How stable is WINE?
Hey, I'm waiting for the new Debian to come out, and I need some information about WINE. In Potato, how stable is WINE? Does it run better than windoze? Also, What's the speed like, is it as fast as the app would run in windoze? Thanks, Cameron Matheson
Re: How stable is WINE?
I tried the potato wine a few days ago and it was basically useless. The only thing it could sort of run was the windows calculator and even then it had trouble. Anyone had better luck? -chris On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Cameron Matheson wrote: Hey, I'm waiting for the new Debian to come out, and I need some information about WINE. In Potato, how stable is WINE? Does it run better than windoze? Also, What's the speed like, is it as fast as the app would run in windoze? Thanks, Cameron Matheson -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: How stable is WINE?
If it helps at all, I tried WINE few month ago off their site, building from source. Had quite a good success with it (Was able to run Starcraft, MS Word95). Not sure what version potato has, though. If you want the latest one, try it off the www.winehq.com Andrei First there was Explorer. Then came Expedition. This summer coming to a street near you.. Ford Exterminator. - Andrei S. Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://arshes.dyndns.org UIN 12402354 For GPG key, go to above URL/GnuPG -
Re: How stable is WINE?
Potato Wine package can be very outdated. Quoting Andrei Ivanov ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): If it helps at all, I tried WINE few month ago off their site, building from source. Had quite a good success with it (Was able to run Starcraft, MS Word95). Not sure what version potato has, though. If you want the latest one, try it off the www.winehq.com Andrei First there was Explorer. Then came Expedition. This summer coming to a street near you.. Ford Exterminator. - Andrei S. Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://arshes.dyndns.org UIN 12402354 For GPG key, go to above URL/GnuPG - -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: How stable is WINE?
Cameron Matheson wrote: I'm waiting for the new Debian to come out, and I need some information about WINE. In Potato, how stable is WINE? In my experience the wine currently in potato is as stable as any version of wine I've used, and better than most. However, it is classified as alpha software for a very good reason. It comes nowhere near running all windows software. Each monthly snapshot improves some aspects but often breaks something that worked previously; very much a two steps forward one step back process. Does it run better than windoze? Also, What's the speed like, is it as fast as the app would run in windoze? No and no. If it works at all with a given application then it works well enough, but you may have to work around an annoying bug or two (like shift-clicking the mouse occasionally freezing the app or even crashing X). Speed is sufficient considering the source is full of debugging code and not optimised in any way. If you are looking for a general replacement for windows that runs whatever windows runs then expect to be disappointed. If you have a specific application you need to use then the only way to find out if it will run under wine is to try it. If you have trouble then ask for help on news:comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine. Frank
Re: How stable is WINE?
In my opinion WINE isnt all its cracked up to be, but better than it has been in the past. If you want to run windows apps in linux, install vmware (www.vmware.com). It runs VERY fast depending on how much virtual ram you can afford to allocate. I use 128mb for my virtual machines. Ive even had execellent results with fullscreen windows media player under vmware. -Ethan - Original Message - From: Frank Copeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: Re: How stable is WINE? Cameron Matheson wrote: I'm waiting for the new Debian to come out, and I need some information about WINE. In Potato, how stable is WINE? In my experience the wine currently in potato is as stable as any version of wine I've used, and better than most. However, it is classified as alpha software for a very good reason. It comes nowhere near running all windows software. Each monthly snapshot improves some aspects but often breaks something that worked previously; very much a two steps forward one step back process. Does it run better than windoze? Also, What's the speed like, is it as fast as the app would run in windoze? No and no. If it works at all with a given application then it works well enough, but you may have to work around an annoying bug or two (like shift-clicking the mouse occasionally freezing the app or even crashing X). Speed is sufficient considering the source is full of debugging code and not optimised in any way. If you are looking for a general replacement for windows that runs whatever windows runs then expect to be disappointed. If you have a specific application you need to use then the only way to find out if it will run under wine is to try it. If you have trouble then ask for help on news:comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine. Frank -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: How stable is WINE?
Hi! IMHO, vmware is a rather large solution to just running windows - if you're looking for something commercial, you might take a look at win4lin (www.trelos.com). I have been using the eval version for about a week and I like it alot - it required a modified kernel, but once you get that done, it's amazing. It installs very quickly (windows media required, of course) and runs alot fo the windows applications (starcraft, word, IE, mIRC, ICQ, etc.) no sound support yet, no real networking support, no DirectX stuff (as you would expect). We compared side-by-side win4lin running word and win98 running word and win4lin was actually faster than the box running windows natively. I give it high recommendations. Of course, YMMV. Michael Janssen (not associated with trelos) Message from Cc debian-user@lists.debian.org at 18/07/00 08:01:38PM: In my opinion WINE isnt all its cracked up to be, but better than it has been in the past. If you want to run windows apps in linux, install vmware (www.vmware.com). It runs VERY fast depending on how much virtual ram you can afford to allocate. I use 128mb for my virtual machines. Ive even had execellent results with fullscreen windows media player under vmware. -Ethan - Original Message - From: Frank Copeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: Re: How stable is WINE? Cameron Matheson wrote: I'm waiting for the new Debian to come out, and I need some information about WINE. In Potato, how stable is WINE? In my experience the wine currently in potato is as stable as any version of wine I've used, and better than most. However, it is classified as alpha software for a very good reason. It comes nowhere near running all windows software. Each monthly snapshot improves some aspects but often breaks something that worked previously; very much a two steps forward one step back process. Does it run better than windoze? Also, What's the speed like, is it as fast as the app would run in windoze? No and no. If it works at all with a given application then it works well enough, but you may have to work around an annoying bug or two (like shift-clicking the mouse occasionally freezing the app or even crashing X). Speed is sufficient considering the source is full of debugging code and not optimised in any way. If you are looking for a general replacement for windows that runs whatever windows runs then expect to be disappointed. If you have a specific application you need to use then the only way to find out if it will run under wine is to try it. If you have trouble then ask for help on news:comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine. Frank -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: How stable is WINE?
Not to put down Trelos, (I havent tried it) but vmware has sound, networking and runs just about everything aside from dvds What do you mean by large? The space it takes up is the size of a win98 install and any apps. I even run office 2000 in there :) No kernel compilation necessary. I will though check out trelos :) -Ethan - Original Message - From: Michael Janssen (CS/MATH stud.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 9:11 PM Subject: Re: How stable is WINE? Hi! IMHO, vmware is a rather large solution to just running windows - if you're looking for something commercial, you might take a look at win4lin (www.trelos.com). I have been using the eval version for about a week and I like it alot - it required a modified kernel, but once you get that done, it's amazing. It installs very quickly (windows media required, of course) and runs alot fo the windows applications (starcraft, word, IE, mIRC, ICQ, etc.) no sound support yet, no real networking support, no DirectX stuff (as you would expect). We compared side-by-side win4lin running word and win98 running word and win4lin was actually faster than the box running windows natively. I give it high recommendations. Of course, YMMV. Michael Janssen (not associated with trelos) Message from Cc debian-user@lists.debian.org at 18/07/00 08:01:38PM: In my opinion WINE isnt all its cracked up to be, but better than it has been in the past. If you want to run windows apps in linux, install vmware (www.vmware.com). It runs VERY fast depending on how much virtual ram you can afford to allocate. I use 128mb for my virtual machines. Ive even had execellent results with fullscreen windows media player under vmware. -Ethan - Original Message - From: Frank Copeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: Re: How stable is WINE? Cameron Matheson wrote: I'm waiting for the new Debian to come out, and I need some information about WINE. In Potato, how stable is WINE? In my experience the wine currently in potato is as stable as any version of wine I've used, and better than most. However, it is classified as alpha software for a very good reason. It comes nowhere near running all windows software. Each monthly snapshot improves some aspects but often breaks something that worked previously; very much a two steps forward one step back process. Does it run better than windoze? Also, What's the speed like, is it as fast as the app would run in windoze? No and no. If it works at all with a given application then it works well enough, but you may have to work around an annoying bug or two (like shift-clicking the mouse occasionally freezing the app or even crashing X). Speed is sufficient considering the source is full of debugging code and not optimised in any way. If you are looking for a general replacement for windows that runs whatever windows runs then expect to be disappointed. If you have a specific application you need to use then the only way to find out if it will run under wine is to try it. If you have trouble then ask for help on news:comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine. Frank -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: How stable is WINE?
Ethan Pierce wrote: In my opinion WINE isnt all its cracked up to be, but better than it has been in the past. I don't know that wine has ever been cracked up to be more than it is, at least not by the developers. It is certainly getting better. If you want to run windows apps in linux, install vmware (www.vmware.com). It runs VERY fast depending on how much virtual ram you can afford to allocate. I use 128mb for my virtual machines. Ive even had execellent results with fullscreen windows media player under vmware. If what you really need is to be able to run windows and linux at the same time then vmware is certainly cheaper than the other obvious solution, which is to buy another box. However, the hardware and software required is still a few hundred bucks beyond my reach. For my purposes it would also be gross overkill. wine has a long way to go before it provides a general replacement for windows, but frankly that doesn't bother me one bit since I won't be using it for that. Even so wine does two things that make it extremely useful right now. One is that it allows people like Corel to port their applications written for the windows API to linux without too much pain. In fact much of the recent improvement in wine can be attributed to Corel. The other is that it allows people to run (some) niche applications for which there is currently no native linux alternative, which is what I use it for. So depending on what the original poster actually wants to do, wine may well be good enough. If it works for him at all, it will certainly be less expensive and resource hungry than the alternatives. Frank
