Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC
Dear all, Apologies but work interfered before I could get back to the EEE PC. Thank you all for the responses. Very helpful. On Friday, 5 Jan 2024 at 18:35, Hans wrote: > Also, very nice, you can create a multiboot sd card, and stuck it into > the netbook, so you can boot from it several usefull livesystems (I am > using XBOOT for this, but it is also working with YUMI or some others. On Friday, 5 Jan 2024 at 18:36, Hans wrote: > Am Freitag, 5. Januar 2024, 17:48:39 CET schrieb Eric S Fraga: > Me again: > > Second answer: You can easily install debian 32-bit from an USB-stick· > it is working just any other computer. This is great. Definitely the routes (USB and/or SD) forward for me. Thank you. Mind you, the bios indicates only removable storage is recognised at boot time so probably the SD card but I'll try USB as well. On Friday, 5 Jan 2024 at 17:36, Tom Furie wrote: > I'm currently running bookworm on an Atom based EeeBook (x205ta), it > has 2G RAM, and 30G storage. The only hurdle I've found is getting > internal sound to work (chtrt5645), though HDMI output is fine, I'm > sure I simply haven't found the right combination of switches to > flip. Having said that, I'm no expert on Linux audio. This is much more powerful than my EEE PC, both in memory and disk (see below). By almost an order of magnitude probably! On Friday, 5 Jan 2024 at 16:13, Charles Curley wrote: > > It might help if you gave us a bit more information. Indeed. Sorry. The model is the original EEE PC, the 2G Surf. ASUSTeK 700. 0.5 GB memory, 2 GB disk. Anyway, I will try one of the very small Linux distributions. My eventual aim is to install a recent version of Emacs that might be able to run in 512 MB (but probably not) as I want a portable orgmode system. Thank you all again, eric -- Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 30.0.50 2023-09-14) on Debian 12.2
Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC
On Friday, 5 Jan 2024 at 19:42, Hans wrote: > All are running 1,666 GHz (except the very ealy ones, EEEPC 901, which is > running 1GHz. Mine is one of the early ones, in fact probably the first version released. Thank you for your other longer post: very helpful. I will find a suitable SD card in the mess that is my office and will try live booting different versions. I am not bothered about DE -- simple WM will do. I just want to run Emacs with org mode as a portable writing and agenda system. Thanks again, eric -- Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 30.0.50 2023-06-19) on Debian 12.0
Re: Debian on Asus X205TA [Was: Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC]
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 08:21:00AM +0100, Marco Moock wrote: > Am 06.01.2024 um 17:44:41 Uhr schrieb Steve McIntyre: > > > The amd64 installation media now includes the bits needed to start the > > installer on mixed-mode UEFI systems like the Bay Trail platform in > > the X205TA. > > Is that documented anywhere? > I haven't found any information on this. > > The wiki only mentions multi-arch images. > https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#A32-bit_x86_PC_.28i386.29_support_for_UEFI > This was in the release notes for Debian 12 at some point. I have fixed the wiki, noting that as at 2023 there are almost no 32 bit machines that boot UEFI and that the AMD64 media contains the appropriate software for both 32 bit and 64 bit UEFI implementations. All the best, as ever, Andy (amaca...@debian.org)
Re: Debian on Asus X205TA [Was: Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC]
Am 06.01.2024 um 17:44:41 Uhr schrieb Steve McIntyre: > The amd64 installation media now includes the bits needed to start the > installer on mixed-mode UEFI systems like the Bay Trail platform in > the X205TA. Is that documented anywhere? I haven't found any information on this. The wiki only mentions multi-arch images. https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI#A32-bit_x86_PC_.28i386.29_support_for_UEFI
Re: Debian on Asus X205TA [Was: Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC]
m...@dorfdsl.de wrote: >Am 06.01.2024 um 10:46:56 Uhr schrieb Leandro Noferini: > >> In my Asus EEEPC (X205TA) the bios/uefi is 32 bit but the processor is >> 64 so you need only the grub 32 bit but the remaining of the operative >> system, including kernel, is 64 bit. > >There was another thread (maybe on debian-users-german?) discussing >that and Debian 12 doesn't ship multiarch installers, so it will be a >bit harder to make it work with 32 bit UEFI. The amd64 installation media now includes the bits needed to start the installer on mixed-mode UEFI systems like the Bay Trail platform in the X205TA. I still have an old mixed-moded Apple Imac that works that way as a test machine. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky, Tongue-tied & twisted, Just an earth-bound misfit, I...
Re: Debian on Asus X205TA [Was: Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC]
On Sat, Jan 06, 2024 at 10:46:56AM +0100, Leandro Noferini wrote: > Hans writes: > > [...] > > > Most important: It can run all debian things (and more), but note, the > > EEEPC is 32-bit, so you need the 32-bit version of debian. > > In my Asus EEEPC (X205TA) the bios/uefi is 32 bit but the processor is > 64 so you need only the grub 32 bit but the remaining of the operative > system, including kernel, is 64 bit. > > An example of guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ASUS_x205ta > > -- > Ciao > leandro > Debian's amd64 install media should deal with this properly now. The appropriate files are there to do this - whereas once upon a time it would have been multi-arch. Fixed by Steve McIntyre a while ago. Andy
Re: Debian on Asus X205TA [Was: Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC]
Am 06.01.2024 um 10:46:56 Uhr schrieb Leandro Noferini: > In my Asus EEEPC (X205TA) the bios/uefi is 32 bit but the processor is > 64 so you need only the grub 32 bit but the remaining of the operative > system, including kernel, is 64 bit. There was another thread (maybe on debian-users-german?) discussing that and Debian 12 doesn't ship multiarch installers, so it will be a bit harder to make it work with 32 bit UEFI.
Debian on Asus X205TA [Was: Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC]
Hans writes: [...] > Most important: It can run all debian things (and more), but note, the > EEEPC is 32-bit, so you need the 32-bit version of debian. In my Asus EEEPC (X205TA) the bios/uefi is 32 bit but the processor is 64 so you need only the grub 32 bit but the remaining of the operative system, including kernel, is 64 bit. An example of guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ASUS_x205ta -- Ciao leandro
Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC
On Fri, 05 Jan 2024 16:48:39 + Eric S Fraga wrote: > anybody here have any experience installing a recent(-ish) version of > Debian on an Asus EEE PC? This is a small notebook sized laptop with > Celeron cpu and little space & memory. I've just found one in one of > my boxes and thought I'd see if I can make use of it. It's currently > running with a 2.x kernel! It might help if you gave us a bit more information. Exact make and model number? You should be able to find that on a label somewhere or with dmidecode. How much memory? free -h should tell us that. How large a local hard drive do you have? I suspect you need a minimum of 1 GiB of RAM to run Bookworm, but the more the merrier. How much hard drive you need depends on what you want to put on it. If you have another machine with more hard drive space, an NFS server might extend your usable space on the EEE PC. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC
Hello, On Fri, Jan 05, 2024 at 06:35:26PM +0100, Hans wrote: > Most important: It can run all debian things (and more), but note, the EEEPC > is 32-bit, so you need the 32-bit version of debian. Which there won't be after the next release, or maybe for the next release. This is not something to spend time on. (I, too, had an EEE PC.) Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC
There are different cpu's according to the release date. Mostls it is ATOM CPU N-450, but others use N-230 as well. All are running 1,666 GHz (except the very ealy ones, EEEPC 901, which is running 1GHz. Best Hans > > Which CPU does it have?
Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC
Am 05.01.2024 um 16:48:39 Uhr schrieb Eric S Fraga: > anybody here have any experience installing a recent(-ish) version of > Debian on an Asus EEE PC? Which CPU does it have?
Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC
Am Freitag, 5. Januar 2024, 17:48:39 CET schrieb Eric S Fraga: Me again: Second answer: You can easily install debian 32-bit from an USB-stick· it is working just any other computer. Best Hans > Hello, > > anybody here have any experience installing a recent(-ish) version of > Debian on an Asus EEE PC? This is a small notebook sized laptop with > Celeron cpu and little space & memory. I've just found one in one of my > boxes and thought I'd see if I can make use of it. It's currently > running with a 2.x kernel! > > I have found some bits and bobs on the Interweb but I thought I'd ask > here in case somebody in this group/list has direct experience. > > Thank you, > eric
Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC
Eric S Fraga writes: > anybody here have any experience installing a recent(-ish) version of > Debian on an Asus EEE PC? This is a small notebook sized laptop with > Celeron cpu and little space & memory. I've just found one in one of > my boxes and thought I'd see if I can make use of it. It's currently > running with a 2.x kernel! I'm currently running bookworm on an Atom based EeeBook (x205ta), it has 2G RAM, and 30G storage. The only hurdle I've found is getting internal sound to work (chtrt5645), though HDMI output is fine, I'm sure I simply haven't found the right combination of switches to flip. Having said that, I'm no expert on Linux audio. I wouldn't attempt to run a modern DE on this system, but it seems happy with OpenBox. Even Firefox, Chromium, LibreOffice, etc. are usable - if not perhaps the smoothest experience. Cheers, Tom
Re: Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC
Am Freitag, 5. Januar 2024, 17:48:39 CET schrieb Eric S Fraga: Hi Eric, the EEEPC was my best friend for many years, although it is rather slow at boot. However, once it is booted up, work can be done well. Mostly I used it for network analysis at my customers and of course office applications. Speed is not much important for these things, it is not much annoying, if libreoffice is starting in 30 seconds or 1 and a half minutes. Most important: It can run all debian things (and more), but note, the EEEPC is 32-bit, so you need the 32-bit version of debian. Also, very nice, you can create a multiboot sd card, and stuck it into the netbook, so you can boot from it several usefull livesystems (I am using XBOOT for this, but it is also working with YUMI or some others. For speeding up I used an old SSD drive with Windows_7 on it and Debian on the second partition. For this, first I cloned Windows 7 to the new harddrive using clonezilla, then used gparted to get free space on the new SSD, and on this I installed Debian/stable 32-bit. Everything is working like a charme, and the wireless card is Atheros· so you can easily get the wifi card into monitor mode, if required. Some EEPC got a modem for GSM onboard, mine got one. It is a little problematic, to get into GSM-internet, there are not many easy dialer apps for it. Feel free, to ask me for the actual one, I forgot, as my actual EEEPC got none (so I am using a GSM-Router for this). Oh, yes, I strongly recommend to increase RAM, 1GB is a little bit few, so I put a 2GB RAM into it. It is DDR2, and I do not know of any single-4GB-bank available which is 4GB. Debian (better say: the kernel) can use more than 3GB of RAM with pae-extension. What I like most of the EEPC: It is small, can run long time and got all the nifty tools and apps I need for daily work. Negative thing is only, that it is rather slow. But: If you do not need all modern kernels and tools, you can try some fast small linux version, especially made for very old devices, for example damnsmalllinux or similar. I never tried many, but I got damnsmallinux running on a 486er notebook with 1GHz CPU and 48MB RAM running as fast as Windows XP on a 2GHz CPU with 2GB RAM. I admit, this was a long time ago, but you can see, linux is often much much faster than Windows, not to say, always. Something more? Fell free to ask. Best regards Hans > Hello, > > anybody here have any experience installing a recent(-ish) version of > Debian on an Asus EEE PC? This is a small notebook sized laptop with > Celeron cpu and little space & memory. I've just found one in one of my > boxes and thought I'd see if I can make use of it. It's currently > running with a 2.x kernel! > > I have found some bits and bobs on the Interweb but I thought I'd ask > here in case somebody in this group/list has direct experience. > > Thank you, > eric
Installing Debian on an old Asus EEE PC
Hello, anybody here have any experience installing a recent(-ish) version of Debian on an Asus EEE PC? This is a small notebook sized laptop with Celeron cpu and little space & memory. I've just found one in one of my boxes and thought I'd see if I can make use of it. It's currently running with a 2.x kernel! I have found some bits and bobs on the Interweb but I thought I'd ask here in case somebody in this group/list has direct experience. Thank you, eric -- Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 30.0.50 2023-09-14) on Debian 12.2
