Re: Is Novel Suse not friendly to real linux world? and how about Red hat and Debian?
* Star Liu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [19.09.08 06:46]: I read a article about the IP issues among Microsoft, SCO, Novel Suse and the other Linux world yestorday. I felt quite angry about what Microsoft has done to Linux in order to keep its market in software. so i hope i can get more information about this. First of all, you should quote, which article you read. Can't read your mind... 1. If Novel Suse is so obviously not friendly to free software world, why so many people still use it? does it mean people who use Suse do not have the spirit of free software? 2. I also know that Enterprise Edition of Red hat is not a free distribution, so does it mean Red hat do not have the spirit of free software? 3. Shall Debian follow the way of Red hat to have a nonfree enterprise edition? Before I can answer: what definition of freedom you use? Is it the DFSG definition? 4. Do Debian has the danger of IP lawsuits created by microsoft? I would say no, and just because there is no money to get from Debian. Remember this is just about money... -- Religion ist das Opium des Volkes. Karl Marx [EMAIL PROTECTED]@N GÜNTHER mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpJD4VDmM6Hk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is Novel Suse not friendly to real linux world? and how about Red hat and Debian?
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Sebastian Günther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Star Liu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [19.09.08 06:46]: I read a article about the IP issues among Microsoft, SCO, Novel Suse and the other Linux world yestorday. I felt quite angry about what Microsoft has done to Linux in order to keep its market in software. so i hope i can get more information about this. First of all, you should quote, which article you read. Can't read your mind... I read it from a book in bookstore, so i cannot give the link of it. 1. If Novel Suse is so obviously not friendly to free software world, why so many people still use it? does it mean people who use Suse do not have the spirit of free software? 2. I also know that Enterprise Edition of Red hat is not a free distribution, so does it mean Red hat do not have the spirit of free software? 3. Shall Debian follow the way of Red hat to have a nonfree enterprise edition? Before I can answer: what definition of freedom you use? Is it the DFSG definition? I'm not very familar with DFSG, I simply think the freedom of software means if I use a software, I should have its source code and I'm free to modify the source code to create improved or new ones. 4. Do Debian has the danger of IP lawsuits created by microsoft? I would say no, and just because there is no money to get from Debian. Remember this is just about money... If I install Debian for others and get money from it, then I should have the danger of IP lawsuits created by microsoft, right? what a joke! -- Religion ist das Opium des Volkes. Karl Marx [EMAIL PROTECTED]@N GÜNTHER mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Novel Suse not friendly to real linux world? and how about Red hat and Debian?
On Fri,19.Sep.08, 12:45:37, Star Liu wrote: [...] 1. If Novel Suse is so obviously not friendly to free software world, why so many people still use it? does it mean people who use Suse do not have the spirit of free software? I think many people just don't care about these things, they want their computer to Just Work. Many people (especially in Germany?) think that you get what you pay for, so a free distribution can't be good. But don't forget there is also OpenSuse. 2. I also know that Enterprise Edition of Red hat is not a free distribution, so does it mean Red hat do not have the spirit of free software? Free as in free beer or free as in freedom of speech? Programmers have to eat too, you know. 3. Shall Debian follow the way of Red hat to have a nonfree enterprise edition? What enterprise? You should read the Social Contract: http://www.debian.org/social_contract Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Is Novel Suse not friendly to real linux world? and how about Red hat and Debian?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Star Liu wrote: I read a article about the IP issues among Microsoft, SCO, Novel Suse and the other Linux world yestorday. I felt quite angry about what Microsoft has done to Linux in order to keep its market in software. so i hope i can get more information about this. 1. If Novel Suse is so obviously not friendly to free software world, why so many people still use it? does it mean people who use Suse do not have the spirit of free software? 2. I also know that Enterprise Edition of Red hat is not a free distribution, so does it mean Red hat do not have the spirit of free software? RHEL is teetering on the edge of non-free'd'ness. It's not beer free, and BITS of it are not speech-free, but you're paying for the support contract. RHEL is very open about a) CentOS being a beer free RHEL without the support contract (and with a bigger package set to boot) b) Fedora being a totally speech-and-beer-free distribution that feeds RHEL and Cent, and that the money from RHEL directly sponsors Fedora. Red Hat _DO_ have a clear dedication to the FOSS movement, and are, in my mind at about the same level as myself getting paid to support/implement Debian systems. 3. Shall Debian follow the way of Red hat to have a nonfree enterprise edition? 4. Do Debian has the danger of IP lawsuits created by microsoft? Knowing what you'd read to lead you to these conclusions would be handy. Regards Rich Healey - -- Rich Healey - iTReign \.''`. / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer / Systems Admin \ : :' : /[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: richohealey33 \ `. `' / [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ `- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjTSI0ACgkQLeTfO4yBSAfoRQCfaczFj/fOVxGPUDEpBIguiF1k pGQAoLSGKHixerulJFrSCXecIXBGjdGM =Ko/7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Novel Suse not friendly to real linux world? and how about Red hat and Debian?
On 09/19/2008 12:58 AM, Sebastian Günther wrote: * Star Liu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [19.09.08 06:46]: 4. Do Debian has the danger of IP lawsuits created by microsoft? I would say no, and just because there is no money to get from Debian. Remember this is just about money... No, it's about power. Microsoft wants to become a global O/S monopoly, and abusing the broken patent system can help them achieve that. The fact that Debian doesn't have the resources to defend itself in a lawsuit does not protect Debian in any way. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is Novel Suse not friendly to real linux world? and how about Red hat and Debian?
I read a article about the IP issues among Microsoft, SCO, Novel Suse and the other Linux world yestorday. I felt quite angry about what Microsoft has done to Linux in order to keep its market in software. so i hope i can get more information about this. 1. If Novel Suse is so obviously not friendly to free software world, why so many people still use it? does it mean people who use Suse do not have the spirit of free software? 2. I also know that Enterprise Edition of Red hat is not a free distribution, so does it mean Red hat do not have the spirit of free software? 3. Shall Debian follow the way of Red hat to have a nonfree enterprise edition? 4. Do Debian has the danger of IP lawsuits created by microsoft? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
