Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 01:53:33AM +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> > I use the Debian cron script 'apticron'. It talks directly with Debian,
> > so it knows about updates to all Debian software. I have cron run it in
> > the middle of the night. It downloads the updates, and in the morning I
> > have email telling me what needs to be updated and why, and instructions
> > on just what to do to install the updates.
> 
> I prefer running 'apt-get' manually then using any of scripts running by 
> cron.

You only need to use one or the other, no need to use both! ;-)

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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Keith Bainbridge]

I use the downlod files only switch, then run the update when opportunity 
presents. 


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Sent: Mon Feb 01 19:25:24 AEDT 2016
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Subject: Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 01:53:33AM +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> > I use the Debian cron script 'apticron'. It talks directly with Debian,
> > so it knows about updates to all Debian software. I have cron run it in
> > the middle of the night. It downloads the updates, and in the morning I
> > have email telling me what needs to be updated and why, and instructions
> > on just what to do to install the updates.
> 
> I prefer running 'apt-get' manually then using any of scripts running by 
> cron.

You only need to use one or the other, no need to use both! ;-)


Keith Bainbridge

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keithrbaugro...@gmail.com 

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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2016-01-30, Jimmy Johnson  wrote:
> On 01/27/2016 11:37 PM, Tixy wrote:
>> On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 05:54 +, Bonno Bloksma wrote:
>>> [...]
 I do not care about GNOME Package Updater and other GUI things,
>>> since I still prefer CLI. However, notifications would be nice to have
>>> as a reminder.
 Anyone to suggest something helpful?
>>>
>>> For as long as I have been using Debian I have a little script that I
>>> run each night:
>>
>> Debian provides the apticron package to do something very similar...
>> https://www.debian-administration.org/article/491/Automatic_package_update_nagging_with_apticron
>
> If it listed new packages too, not just the ones being installed, that 
> would be great!  I like to see new packages being added to the 
> repository too.

aptitude gives you that functionality:

aptitude search ~new

or

aptitude search ~N

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Liam

Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Teemu Likonen]

Liam O'Toole [2016-01-30 14:20:30Z] wrote:

> aptitude search ~new

You mean:

aptitude search \?new

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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2016-01-30, Teemu Likonen  wrote:
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> Liam O'Toole [2016-01-30 14:20:30Z] wrote:
>
>> aptitude search ~new
>
> You mean:
>
> aptitude search \?new
>

Oops yes, you are correct. The short form ~N also works. I should also
mention that the command 'aptitude forget-new' is required occasionally. 

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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Juan R. de Silva]

> For Jessie, we patched update-notification support back into
> gnome-settings-daemon:
> 
> https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-settings-daemon/
news/20141204T233404Z.html
> 
> So, in Jessie, gnome-setting-daemon is responsible for the update
> notifications. In stretch and sid, gnome-software is.

According with the link provided the patched version of gnome-settings-
daemon is 3.14.2-2

I have gnome-settings-daemon v. 14.2-3 installed and still no 
notifications. 

I see in repo gnome-settings-daemon-dev, which is not installed on my 
machine. The description of this package says that "package contains 
header files required to build applications that communicate with the 
GNOME settings daemon over D-Bus."

What the last would mean? Am I expected to rebuild GNOME Package Updater 
to get notifications?

Thanks.

Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2016-01-29, Curt  wrote:
> On 2016-01-29, Liam O'Toole  wrote:
>> On 2016-01-29, Juan R. de Silva  wrote:
 Do you have gnome-software and packagekit installed? With those, upgrade
 notficiations should work.
>>>
>>> On my system both 'packagekit' and 'gnome-packagekit' are installed. 
>>>
>>> Are sure about 'gnome-software' package name? I simply does not exist on 
>>> my system.
>>
>> Unfortunately, gnome-software didn't make it into jessie. That's the
>> reason for the lack of desktop notifications in default installations.
>>
>
> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/update-notifier

>From the package description of update-notifier (in jessie):
"Transitional dummy package replacing update-notifier with
GNOME-PackageKit". But gnome-package kit alone does not provide update
notifications.

> I don't get it. I mean I got it (using Squeeze, and Gnome) and it's
> convenient, but I don't get it. 

What don't you get?

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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2016-01-29, Juan R. de Silva  wrote:
>> Do you have gnome-software and packagekit installed? With those, upgrade
>> notficiations should work.
>
> On my system both 'packagekit' and 'gnome-packagekit' are installed. 
>
> Are sure about 'gnome-software' package name? I simply does not exist on 
> my system.

Unfortunately, gnome-software didn't make it into jessie. That's the
reason for the lack of desktop notifications in default installations.

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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Curt]

On 2016-01-29, Liam O'Toole  wrote:
> On 2016-01-29, Juan R. de Silva  wrote:
>>> Do you have gnome-software and packagekit installed? With those, upgrade
>>> notficiations should work.
>>
>> On my system both 'packagekit' and 'gnome-packagekit' are installed. 
>>
>> Are sure about 'gnome-software' package name? I simply does not exist on 
>> my system.
>
> Unfortunately, gnome-software didn't make it into jessie. That's the
> reason for the lack of desktop notifications in default installations.
>

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/update-notifier

I don't get it. I mean I got it (using Squeeze, and Gnome) and it's
convenient, but I don't get it. 

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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[tomas]

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[...]

> Do you have gnome-software and packagekit installed? With those, upgrade
> notficiations should work.

Related, but possibly relevant -- I'm struggling with the same problem
in MATE. Packagekit installed, even dird (as someone recommended) an
"apt-get update", which shows some pending packages: no notification
(desktop notifications do work in general).

I'm short of giving up and hacking some crude shell script myself to
make the user happy. This whole desktop mess is so inscrutable as to
be frustrating.

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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[tomas]

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On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 03:03:16PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2016-01-29, Curt  wrote:
> > On 2016-01-29, Liam O'Toole  wrote:
> >> On 2016-01-29, Juan R. de Silva  wrote:
>  Do you have gnome-software and packagekit installed? With those, upgrade
>  notficiations should work.
> >>>
> >>> On my system both 'packagekit' and 'gnome-packagekit' are installed. 
> >>>
> >>> Are sure about 'gnome-software' package name? I simply does not exist on 
> >>> my system.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, gnome-software didn't make it into jessie. That's the
> >> reason for the lack of desktop notifications in default installations.
> >>
> >
> > https://packages.debian.org/jessie/update-notifier
> 
> >From the package description of update-notifier (in jessie):
> "Transitional dummy package replacing update-notifier with
> GNOME-PackageKit". But gnome-package kit alone does not provide update
> notifications.

Now is there anyone out there who knows *what* is supposed to provide
update notifications?

That would help a couple of folks, myself included :-)

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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Curt]

On 2016-01-29, Liam O'Toole  wrote:
>
>> I don't get it. I mean I got it (using Squeeze, and Gnome) and it's
>> convenient, but I don't get it. 
>
> What don't you get?
>

I misread the link I gave you to mean that update-notifier was now contained
in gnome-packagekit, which is not the case.

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plutocratic 
capitalism. - Susan Sontag

Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2016-01-29,   wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 03:03:16PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> On 2016-01-29, Curt  wrote:
>> > On 2016-01-29, Liam O'Toole  wrote:
>> >> On 2016-01-29, Juan R. de Silva  wrote:
>>  Do you have gnome-software and packagekit installed? With those, upgrade
>>  notficiations should work.
>> >>>
>> >>> On my system both 'packagekit' and 'gnome-packagekit' are installed. 
>> >>>
>> >>> Are sure about 'gnome-software' package name? I simply does not exist on 
>> >>> my system.
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately, gnome-software didn't make it into jessie. That's the
>> >> reason for the lack of desktop notifications in default installations.
>> >>
>> >
>> > https://packages.debian.org/jessie/update-notifier
>> 
>> >From the package description of update-notifier (in jessie):
>> "Transitional dummy package replacing update-notifier with
>> GNOME-PackageKit". But gnome-package kit alone does not provide update
>> notifications.
>
> Now is there anyone out there who knows *what* is supposed to provide
> update notifications?

It seems not. The blog entry[1] mentioned by Juan elsewhere in this
thread gives some official advice, but even then some users still don't
receive desktop notifications.

> That would help a couple of folks, myself included :-)

And me.

[1]
http://blog.tenstral.net/2015/09/update-notifications-in-debian-jessie.html

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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Juan R. de Silva]

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:30:45 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Friday 29 January 2016 01:53:33 Juan R. de Silva wrote:
>> > I use the Debian cron script 'apticron'. It talks directly with
>> > Debian, so it knows about updates to all Debian software. I have cron
>> > run it in the middle of the night. It downloads the updates, and in
>> > the morning I have email telling me what needs to be updated and why,
>> > and instructions on just what to do to install the updates.
>>
>> I prefer running 'apt-get' manually then using any of scripts running
>> by cron.
> 
> But you like a GUI updater  :-/
> 
> Lisi

Do I?.. I was not aware of it. How you figured it out?

But I like GUI notifications. :-)

Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Michael Biebl]

Hi Juan,

Am 29.01.2016 um 02:51 schrieb Juan R. de Silva:
>> Do you have gnome-software and packagekit installed? With those, upgrade
>> notficiations should work.
> 
> On my system both 'packagekit' and 'gnome-packagekit' are installed. 
> 
> Are sure about 'gnome-software' package name? I simply does not exist on 
> my system.

Seems I missed the "Jessie" part. gnome-software is indeed not part of
Jessie GNOME. Sorry for the confusiong.
For Jessie, we patched update-notification support back into
gnome-settings-daemon:

https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-settings-daemon/news/20141204T233404Z.html

So, in Jessie, gnome-setting-daemon is responsible for the update
notifications. In stretch and sid, gnome-software is.

Michael
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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 01/27/2016 11:37 PM, Tixy wrote:

On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 05:54 +, Bonno Bloksma wrote:

[...]

I do not care about GNOME Package Updater and other GUI things,

since I still prefer CLI. However, notifications would be nice to have
as a reminder.

Anyone to suggest something helpful?


For as long as I have been using Debian I have a little script that I
run each night:


Debian provides the apticron package to do something very similar...
https://www.debian-administration.org/article/491/Automatic_package_update_nagging_with_apticron


If it listed new packages too, not just the ones being installed, that 
would be great!  I like to see new packages being added to the 
repository too.

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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Juan R. de Silva]

These are all nice but only workarounds.

For those who wondered what tool is supposed to provide such 
notifications... 

GNOME notification system includes between others an "update plugin", 
which supposed to do the job. As it does it (and quite nicely) in openSUSE 
GNOME 16. However it does not in Jessie GNOME 14 yet. 

It is not exactly a bug but rather a "not completely ready yet feature" 
at the release time. Here it was suggested that it should have been 
arrived to Jessie by now: 

http://blog.tenstral.net/2015/09/update-notifications-in-debian-
jessie.html

Looks it is not here yet. Well, as I can see, all of us have our own way 
to survive such a "calamity". :-) I feel much better knowing I'm not 
alone having the little problem. ;-)

Thanks to all responded.

Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Glenn English]

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Juan R. de Silva  
> wrote:
> 
> These are all nice but only workarounds.

Late into the thread. I'm sure someone has already suggested this, but just in 
case...

I use the Debian cron script 'apticron'. It talks directly with Debian, so it 
knows about updates to all Debian software. I have cron run it in the middle of 
the night. It downloads the updates, and in the morning I have email telling me 
what needs to be updated and why, and instructions on just what to do to 
install the updates.

Civilized software.

I've never heard of the GNOME update thing you describe, but apticron does the 
job very nicely and updates all of Debian. It does a whole lot more than just 
the GNOME GUI.

-- 
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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Michael Biebl]

Am 28.01.2016 um 06:28 schrieb Juan R. de Silva:
> I have a fresh install of Jessie GNOME 64 bit since the release date. 
> 
> I've never had a single notification of any available system update. So, 
> as a daily routine I run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-upgrade'.
> 
> Google suggests that this bug was resolved in Jessie. However, even after 
> updating to Jessie 8.3 recently, I still do not have any notifications.
> 
> When (just out of curiosity) I run GNOME Package Updater (or whatever it 
> is called) it reports "All packages up to date" but running apt-get right 
> after brings new updates, as it was today.
> 
> I tried all suggestions found on Google, like using 'dconf-editor' to 
> tweak the 'Shell update plugin' settings, etc., but without any results.
> 
> I do not care about GNOME Package Updater and other GUI things, since I 
> still prefer CLI. However, notifications would be nice to have as a 
> reminder.
> 
> Anyone to suggest something helpful?
> 

Do you have gnome-software and packagekit installed? With those, upgrade
notficiations should work.


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Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 28 January 2016 05:54:43 Bonno Bloksma wrote:
> > I have a fresh install of Jessie GNOME 64 bit since the release date.
> > I've never had a single notification of any available system update. So,
> > as a daily routine I run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-upgrade'.
>
> I have never had any notification of available updates unless I specificaly
> look for them.

Same here.

> What tool should provide that notification? 

My thought precisely on reading this!  But I think from later in the email 
that we are meant to surmise that the writer is running GNOME and looking for 
something gnomish.

Lisi

Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 28 January 2016 08:45:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Thursday 28 January 2016 05:54:43 Bonno Bloksma wrote:
> > > I have a fresh install of Jessie GNOME 64 bit since the release date.
> > > I've never had a single notification of any available system update.
> > > So, as a daily routine I run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-upgrade'.
> >
> > I have never had any notification of available updates unless I
> > specificaly look for them.
>
> Same here.
>
> > What tool should provide that notification?
>
> My thought precisely on reading this!  But I think from later in the email
> that we are meant to surmise that the writer is running GNOME and looking
> for something gnomish.

We are of course told that he is running GNOME.  Sorry. 

Lisi

Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Juan R. de Silva]

> Do you have gnome-software and packagekit installed? With those, upgrade
> notficiations should work.

On my system both 'packagekit' and 'gnome-packagekit' are installed. 

Are sure about 'gnome-software' package name? I simply does not exist on 
my system.

Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Juan R. de Silva]

> I use the Debian cron script 'apticron'. It talks directly with Debian,
> so it knows about updates to all Debian software. I have cron run it in
> the middle of the night. It downloads the updates, and in the morning I
> have email telling me what needs to be updated and why, and instructions
> on just what to do to install the updates.

I prefer running 'apt-get' manually then using any of scripts running by 
cron.

Thanks.

RE: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Bonno Bloksma]

Hi, Juan,

> I have a fresh install of Jessie GNOME 64 bit since the release date. 
> I've never had a single notification of any available system update. So, as a 
> daily routine I run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-upgrade'.

I have never had any notification of available updates unless I specificaly 
look for them. What tool should provide that notification?

[...]
> I do not care about GNOME Package Updater and other GUI things, since I still 
> prefer CLI. However, notifications would be nice to have as a reminder.
> Anyone to suggest something helpful?

For as long as I have been using Debian I have a little script that I run each 
night:

#!/bin/bash

MAILREC="b.blok...@tio.nl helpd...@tio.nl"
SUBJECT="Upgrade report voor $HOSTNAME"
TMPFILE=/tmp/upgradereport.tmp

# Stap 1: ververs de repositories...
apt-get update >/dev/null 2>&1

# Stap 2: toon de upgrades
apt-get --dry-run upgrade | grep Inst > $TMPFILE
if egrep -q ^Inst $TMPFILE
then
  mail -s "$SUBJECT" $MAILREC < $TMPFILE
fi

rm $TMPFILE


Met vriendelijke groet,
Bonno Bloksma
senior systeembeheerder

Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Juan R. de Silva]

I have a fresh install of Jessie GNOME 64 bit since the release date. 

I've never had a single notification of any available system update. So, 
as a daily routine I run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-upgrade'.

Google suggests that this bug was resolved in Jessie. However, even after 
updating to Jessie 8.3 recently, I still do not have any notifications.

When (just out of curiosity) I run GNOME Package Updater (or whatever it 
is called) it reports "All packages up to date" but running apt-get right 
after brings new updates, as it was today.

I tried all suggestions found on Google, like using 'dconf-editor' to 
tweak the 'Shell update plugin' settings, etc., but without any results.

I do not care about GNOME Package Updater and other GUI things, since I 
still prefer CLI. However, notifications would be nice to have as a 
reminder.

Anyone to suggest something helpful?

Thanks.

Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Tixy]

On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 05:54 +, Bonno Bloksma wrote:
> [...] 
> > I do not care about GNOME Package Updater and other GUI things,
> since I still prefer CLI. However, notifications would be nice to have
> as a reminder.
> > Anyone to suggest something helpful?
> 
> For as long as I have been using Debian I have a little script that I
> run each night:

Debian provides the apticron package to do something very similar...
https://www.debian-administration.org/article/491/Automatic_package_update_nagging_with_apticron

-- 
Tixy

Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[David Wright]

On Thu 28 Jan 2016 at 05:28:08 (+), Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> I have a fresh install of Jessie GNOME 64 bit since the release date. 
> 
> I've never had a single notification of any available system update. So, 
> as a daily routine I run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-upgrade'.
> 
> Google suggests that this bug was resolved in Jessie. However, even after 
> updating to Jessie 8.3 recently, I still do not have any notifications.
> 
> When (just out of curiosity) I run GNOME Package Updater (or whatever it 
> is called) it reports "All packages up to date" but running apt-get right 
> after brings new updates, as it was today.
> 
> I tried all suggestions found on Google, like using 'dconf-editor' to 
> tweak the 'Shell update plugin' settings, etc., but without any results.
> 
> I do not care about GNOME Package Updater and other GUI things, since I 
> still prefer CLI. However, notifications would be nice to have as a 
> reminder.
> 
> Anyone to suggest something helpful?

My root's crontab contains:

MAILTO=myself@localhost
0 */12 * * * apt-get -qq update && apt-get -qq -d upgrade && find 
/var/cache/apt/archives/ -name '*deb'

I clean my cache (because I have a machine running apt-cacher-ng)
so any debs that are listed will be new ones.

Cheers,
David.