Re: strawman [was: LUKS password gets printed as stars]

2017-12-23 Thread Brian
On Sat 23 Dec 2017 at 18:43:38 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 03:14:25PM +, Curt wrote: > > On 2017-12-23, Hans wrote: > > [...] > > > > And I suppose, guessing 15 digits will cause a loong time [...] > > > (Assuming all 95 printable

strawman [was: LUKS password gets printed as stars]

2017-12-23 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 03:14:25PM +, Curt wrote: > On 2017-12-23, Hans wrote: [...] > > And I suppose, guessing 15 digits will cause a loong time [...] > (Assuming all 95 printable ascii characters) link to % time

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-23 Thread Curt
On 2017-12-23, Hans wrote: > > But 1 percent longer for each added digit sounds not much. However, when it > comes to more digits, let's say 16 (WPA2 often uses 16 digits with only > letters and numbers), then the time to crack will increase rapidely. > > If I understood

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-23 Thread Hans
Am Samstag, 23. Dezember 2017, 13:57:59 CET schrieb Anders Andersson: Hi Anders, this is an interesting point, you showed. I suppose, 10 digits will be mostly be used by poeple, maybe less. But 1 percent longer for each added digit sounds not much. However, when it comes to more digits, let's

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-23 Thread Anders Andersson
On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Richard Hector wrote: > On 21/12/17 22:16, Curt wrote: >> On 2017-12-20, Richard Hector wrote: >>> >>> On 21/12/17 02:02, Curt wrote: Also, I'm uncertain whether suppression of the asterisk-echo qualifies

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-22 Thread Brian
On Sat 23 Dec 2017 at 10:25:10 +1300, Richard Hector wrote: > On 21/12/17 22:16, Curt wrote: > > On 2017-12-20, Richard Hector wrote: > >> > >> On 21/12/17 02:02, Curt wrote: > >>> Also, I'm uncertain whether suppression of the asterisk-echo qualifies > >>> as "security by

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-22 Thread Richard Hector
On 21/12/17 22:16, Curt wrote: > On 2017-12-20, Richard Hector wrote: >> >> On 21/12/17 02:02, Curt wrote: >>> Also, I'm uncertain whether suppression of the asterisk-echo qualifies >>> as "security by obscurity" >> >> I think most people accept that obscurity is quite

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-21 Thread Curt
On 2017-12-21, wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 01:02:51PM +, Curt wrote: > > [...] > >> Now we want to change the default. Give them the moon, and they want the >> stars, too! > > Who is "them"? "Not us"? > > Perhaps you're trying to construe a conflict

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-21 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 01:02:51PM +, Curt wrote: [...] > Now we want to change the default. Give them the moon, and they want the > stars, too! Who is "them"? "Not us"? Perhaps you're trying to construe a conflict where, actually there isn't

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-21 Thread Curt
On 2017-12-20, Richard Hector wrote: > > On 21/12/17 02:02, Curt wrote: >> Also, I'm uncertain whether suppression of the asterisk-echo qualifies >> as "security by obscurity" > > I think most people accept that obscurity is quite reasonable for > passwords ... > > Richard

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-20 Thread Richard Hector
On 21/12/17 02:02, Curt wrote: > Also, I'm uncertain whether suppression of the asterisk-echo qualifies > as "security by obscurity" I think most people accept that obscurity is quite reasonable for passwords ... Richard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-20 Thread Curt
On 2017-12-20, root kea wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:15:36AM +0530, root kea wrote: > >>> And I just filed a bug report [0]. if anybody interested they can >>> follow the discussion there. >>>

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-20 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:54:25AM +, Curt wrote: > On 2017-12-20, wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 02:07:34PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Dec 2017, root kea wrote: > >> > I want

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-20 Thread root kea
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:15:36AM +0530, root kea wrote: >> And I just filed a bug report [0]. if anybody interested they can >> follow the discussion there. >> >> [0]

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-20 Thread Curt
On 2017-12-20, wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 02:07:34PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Dec 2017, root kea wrote: >> > I want *default* password agent to be consistent with traditional *Nix >> > password handling. And that is echoing NOTHING at

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-19 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 02:07:34PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 20 Dec 2017, root kea wrote: > > I want *default* password agent to be consistent with traditional *Nix > > password handling. And that is echoing NOTHING at all. > > You can

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017, root kea wrote: > I want *default* password agent to be consistent with traditional *Nix > password handling. And that is echoing NOTHING at all. You can just recompile systemd-ask-password and set ASK_PASSWORD_SILENT true. This probably should be a command-line option,

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:15:36AM +0530, root kea wrote: I am amazed that at times I had to defend not wanting stars(*) getting echoed on terminal on *Linux* box. That should have been other way around. That is the onus to defend should be on the one who wants stars(*) being echoed on Terminal.

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-19 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:15:36AM +0530, root kea wrote: > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 11:58 PM, wrote: > > > So you might try to write your own agent, or file a wishlist > > bug. > > I want *default* password agent to be consistent

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-19 Thread root kea
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 11:58 PM, wrote: > So you might try to write your own agent, or file a wishlist > bug. I want *default* password agent to be consistent with traditional *Nix password handling. And that is echoing NOTHING at all. I am amazed that at times I had to

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-19 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 11:04:38PM +0530, root kea wrote: [...] > Thanks for the apt-file tip. I was hoping to find systemd-ask-password > command execution in this file so that I could omit `--echo` switch > (I'm thinking it's there as user input

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-19 Thread root kea
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:58 AM, wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:42:57AM +0530, root kea wrote: >> Now I just need to find out from where this `systemd-ask-password` is >> executed and then edit it's command by omitting

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread Dan Purgert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > On 19/12/17 02:41, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: >> Whether stars are echoed or nothing is echoed, the passphrase remains >> concealed. > > Not true if the passphrase is "**". Wait, how'd you know my pass is

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 19/12/17 02:41, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 06:41:00PM +0530, root kea wrote: I am using LUKS on LVM on Debian Stretch. I have encrypted /home and swap partition. When initram gets loaded it asks for password to decrypt swap partition. That passowrd doesn't get printed

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 19/12/17 02:11, root kea wrote: I am using LUKS on LVM on Debian Stretch. I have encrypted /home and swap partition. When initram gets loaded it asks for password to decrypt swap partition. That passowrd doesn't get printed to screen. No stars. Nothing. But After which Kernel gets loaded (I

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:42:57AM +0530, root kea wrote: >> I don't know why but this email didn't get delivered to my mailbox >> even after I'm being in "To" field. I couldn't even find this email in >> spam.

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:42:57AM +0530, root kea wrote: > I don't know why but this email didn't get delivered to my mailbox > even after I'm being in "To" field. I couldn't even find this email in > spam. Thankfully, I decided to check debian-users

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread root kea
I don't know why but this email didn't get delivered to my mailbox even after I'm being in "To" field. I couldn't even find this email in spam. Thankfully, I decided to check debian-users archives and found this mail there! As I have copy pasted mail by hand please excuse the poor formatting. >

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:17:07AM -0500, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: [...] > Is it possible to pre-populate that field somehow in a way that > doesn't change when any given user's moniker (username, account name, > alias) is chosen? I'm imagining it to

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 12/18/17, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 12/18/17, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 02:53:27PM +0100, Jeroen Mathon wrote: >> >> Don't forget to cc root kea, (s)he isn't on list.

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 12/18/17, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 02:53:27PM +0100, Jeroen Mathon wrote: > > Don't forget to cc root kea, (s)he isn't on list. And oh, don't > top post... pretty please :-) > >> I have never seen

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 02:53:27PM +0100, Jeroen Mathon wrote: Don't forget to cc root kea, (s)he isn't on list. And oh, don't top post... pretty please :-) > I have never seen any stars in my Luks screen. > > As long as it decrypts the drive i see

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 06:41:00PM +0530, root kea wrote: > Hello! > > I am using LUKS on LVM on Debian Stretch. I have encrypted /home and > swap partition. When initram gets loaded it asks for password to > decrypt swap partition. That passowrd

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread Jeroen Mathon
I have never seen any stars in my Luks screen. As long as it decrypts the drive i see no real issue here. On 12/18/2017 02:41 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 06:41:00PM +0530, root kea wrote: >> Hello! >> >> I am using LUKS on LVM on Debian Stretch. I have encrypted

Re: LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 06:41:00PM +0530, root kea wrote: > Hello! > > I am using LUKS on LVM on Debian Stretch. I have encrypted /home and > swap partition. When initram gets loaded it asks for password to > decrypt swap partition. That passowrd doesn't get printed to screen. > No stars.

LUKS password gets printed as stars

2017-12-18 Thread root kea
Hello! I am using LUKS on LVM on Debian Stretch. I have encrypted /home and swap partition. When initram gets loaded it asks for password to decrypt swap partition. That passowrd doesn't get printed to screen. No stars. Nothing. But After which Kernel gets loaded (I think) and it asks password