Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Joe]

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 21:32:54 +0200
Andreas Ronnquist  wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 20:52:25 +0200,
> sp...@caiway.net wrote:
> 
> >I really like Logitech mouses (fast scrolling!), but when used often
> >they break each one/two year.
> >Sometimes wire most of the time left button.
> >I buy them per 3. 
> >  
> 
> Indeed - I just replaced the faulty one with a new one of the same
> model - the problem has gone away.
> 
> It was the hardware.
> 

A common problem. There are usually only three or four button switches
used in mice, and yes, the quick answer is to keep broken mice, marking
them if they are broken because of a switch.

The switches are normally easily available new, the trick can be in
identifying the exact model. Mice are not usually very forgiving about
exact sizes.

In the last few days, I've had a left button go dodgy in a H-P mouse,
and I'm currently trying to get the case open without breaking it.

-- 
Joe

Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Andreas Ronnquist]

On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 20:52:25 +0200,
sp...@caiway.net wrote:

>I really like Logitech mouses (fast scrolling!), but when used often
>they break each one/two year.
>Sometimes wire most of the time left button.
>I buy them per 3. 
>

Indeed - I just replaced the faulty one with a new one of the same
model - the problem has gone away.

It was the hardware.

Thank you to everybody who has helped or tried to help.

best
-- Andreas Rönnquist
mailingli...@gusnan.se
andr...@ronnquist.net

Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Dan Ritter]

Gene Heskett wrote: 
> where the finger made but one push. Those of us that have a hot 
> soldering iron grafted to a hand can fix that, but we're often 
> considered rare birds to be avoided by the girls lest the geekiness is 
> catching. Some of us are even CET's, but that card, laid on the HR desk 
> has gotten me every job I ever wanted, some quite lucrative.

I'm just going to point out that my wife is a better solderer
than I am, and also better at carpentry, sewing, and when I find
myself in need of advice on how to be a better manager, she's my
subject matter expert. 

Soldering is not a gender-specialized activity.

-dsr-

Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 10 October 2021 09:52:40 Jeremy Nicoll wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021, at 19:52, sp...@caiway.net wrote:
> > I really like Logitech mouses (fast scrolling!), but when used often
> > they break each one/two year.
>
> I use my mice almost always in bed, with the mouse either on top
> of the duvet or running around under it on the sheet.  (The laptop
> is on an overbed table.)
>
> What kills them most often is me forgetting where they are and
> getting out of bed causing the mouse to fly off the bed where it
> often collides with a bookcase (or worse) the metal frame of the
> overbed table.
>
> The poor mice expire traumatically, not even managing to call for
> help.  No SQUEAK!  Just a thud.

The most common failure is the solder joints on the bottom of the boards 
under the swithes. That wave soldering process demands that the switches 
be held solidly to the board, not floating 1 to 10 thou up it the air. 
The solder is many times heavier than the switch so if not solidly held 
down while the solder wave goes by, they will float just a hair, leaving 
an air gap between the board and the bottom of the switch. This air gap 
is closed by the finger pressing the button, which gradually loosens the 
grip of the glue holding the copper to the bottom of the board and 
eventually cracking the solder joint, leading to a quick double click 
effect from the switch closing in response to the finger, then a break 
as the crack opens, followed by a second click as the finger lifts again 
and the crack closes, then the switch opens again, giving a double click 
where the finger made but one push. Those of us that have a hot 
soldering iron grafted to a hand can fix that, but we're often 
considered rare birds to be avoided by the girls lest the geekiness is 
catching. Some of us are even CET's, but that card, laid on the HR desk 
has gotten me every job I ever wanted, some quite lucrative.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Sat, 9 Oct 2021, at 19:52, sp...@caiway.net wrote:
> I really like Logitech mouses (fast scrolling!), but when used often
> they break each one/two year.

I use my mice almost always in bed, with the mouse either on top
of the duvet or running around under it on the sheet.  (The laptop
is on an overbed table.)

What kills them most often is me forgetting where they are and 
getting out of bed causing the mouse to fly off the bed where it
often collides with a bookcase (or worse) the metal frame of the
overbed table.

The poor mice expire traumatically, not even managing to call for
help.  No SQUEAK!  Just a thud.

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Yixuan Lin]

Hi!

I have massive problems with my Logitech M705 - Or specifically with
the left mouse button. Sometimes (very often) singleclick becomes
double-click, dragging items is very hard, it drops the drag before I
release the mouse button. Clicking on the terminal icon in my xfce
panel often starts three terminals. The weird thing is that mouse
movement and the mousewheel works just fine. No problems there of any
kind.

This is independent of which program I use - in Claws Mail, the
Chromium browser, and also in virtualbox and Steam games.

This is on an up to date Debian 11 Bullseye (just upgraded to the first
point release), Xfce desktop, Nvidia graphicscard using the Nvidia
drivers on Xorg. All packages up-to-date with Debian 11.1.

On my latest boot of the system, it looked to me like the button acted
normally for about one minute, but then the usual crap started
happening again, so I assume that the mouse hardware is fine. (I have
also tried another mouse - same behaviour).

Mouse section in xorg.conf:

Section "InputDevice"
 # generated from default
 Identifier "Mouse0"
 Driver "mouse"
 Option "Protocol" "auto"
 Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse0"
 Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
 Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection


It was this earlier:
 Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"

- but no difference, independent on which "Device" I use there.


Please help me solve this problem!

-- Andreas Rönnquist
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andr...@ronnquist.net

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Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[sp...@caiway.net]

> > I really like Logitech mouses (fast scrolling!), but when used often
> > they break each one/two year.
> > Sometimes wire most of the time left button.
> > I buy them per 3. 
> 
> It's funny.  
It's also funny that old time vacuum tubes last longer than
transistors dont't they? 
:-)

Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Oct 09, 2021 at 08:52:25PM +0200, sp...@caiway.net wrote:
> I really like Logitech mouses (fast scrolling!), but when used often
> they break each one/two year.
> Sometimes wire most of the time left button.
> I buy them per 3. 

It's funny.  I've got a 3-button USB Logitech "Wingman Gaming Mouse"
that I've been using for ages.  No scroll wheel.  It has a rubber ball
that has to be cleaned periodically.  It has lasted longer than any
other piece of hardware I've ever had.

Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[sp...@caiway.net]

I really like Logitech mouses (fast scrolling!), but when used often
they break each one/two year.
Sometimes wire most of the time left button.
I buy them per 3. 

Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Andreas Ronnquist]

On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 10:41:53 -0400,
Dan Ritter wrote:

>Andreas Rönnquist wrote: 
>> I have massive problems with my Logitech M705 - Or specifically with
>> the left mouse button. Sometimes (very often) singleclick becomes
>> double-click, dragging items is very hard, it drops the drag before I
>> release the mouse button. Clicking on the terminal icon in my xfce
>> panel often starts three terminals. The weird thing is that mouse
>> movement and the mousewheel works just fine. No problls. The weird
>> thing is that mouse movement andems there of any
>> kind.
>> 
>> On my latest boot of the system, it looked to me like the button
>> acted normally for about one minute, but then the usual crap started
>> happening again, so I assume that the mouse hardware is fine. (I have
>> also tried another mouse - same behaviour).  
>
>I see this problem with Logitech wireless pointer products
>(mouse, trackball...) when the distance between the USB receiver
>and the pointing device is marginal or partially blocked. That
>includes a distance of less than one meter where the USB
>receiver is blocked by metal in the computer's case from seeing
>the mouse.
>
>If you get a USB extension cable or otherwise relocate the USB
>receiver so that it is closer and has unblocked line of sight to
>the mouse, I suspect your problem will go away.
>

Hi

Thanks - I have tried with both lowering the range between the mouse to
the receiver, but that doesn't help (It's at about 30 cm now) - in fact,
it is the same if I swap to a corded mouse (Also logitech, if that would
matter). Really frustrating stuff. Sometimes it goes away, and I think
the problem is solved, but without exception, the problem comes back
(within minutes).

It could be that both those mice are indeed broken - but to me that
seems unlikely (I won't rule it out though).

Testing with yet another mouse (non Logitech) the problem is gone.

-- Andreas Rönnquist
mailingli...@gusnan.se
andr...@ronnquist.net

Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 09.10.2021 18:04, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:

Hi!

I have massive problems with my Logitech M705 - Or specifically with
the left mouse button. Sometimes (very often) singleclick becomes
double-click, dragging items is very hard, it drops the drag before I
release the mouse button. Clicking on the terminal icon in my xfce
panel often starts three terminals. The weird thing is that mouse
movement and the mousewheel works just fine. No problems there of any
kind.
Judging by these symptoms it is a hardware problem, as Eduardo suggested 
earlier.
If you have problem with left mouse button only, it means micro-switch 
worn off.
Even if you said you've tried another mouse, there is a high chance that 
spare mouse got this common problem too.
It it most used mouse button after all, and every micro-switch has 
limited lifespan.
You might fix micro-switch by applying a drop of sewing machine oil 
inside.¹ (I've done it before and it really helps to fix "phantom 
clicks" for a period of time)
The other solution is to replace micro-switch. (Which I've done too, 
since micro-switches from OMRON manufacturer are available in my local 
store)



¹: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/comments/3nw537/oiling_up_mouse_switches_could_fix_double_clicking/


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Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:04:30 +0200
Andreas Rönnquist  wrote:

> I have massive problems with my Logitech M705 - Or specifically with
> the left mouse button. Sometimes (very often) singleclick becomes
> double-click, dragging items is very hard, it drops the drag before I
> release the mouse button. Clicking on the terminal icon in my xfce
> panel often starts three terminals. The weird thing is that mouse
> movement and the mousewheel works just fine. No problems there of any
> kind.

On the XFCE desktop, right click, Applications -> Settings -> Mouse and
Touchpad. In the tab labeled Behavior, check the values. I have: Drag
and Drop Threshold, 8 px; Double Click Time, 400 ms; and Distance 5 px.

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Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Dan Ritter]

Andreas Rönnquist wrote: 
> I have massive problems with my Logitech M705 - Or specifically with
> the left mouse button. Sometimes (very often) singleclick becomes
> double-click, dragging items is very hard, it drops the drag before I
> release the mouse button. Clicking on the terminal icon in my xfce
> panel often starts three terminals. The weird thing is that mouse
> movement and the mousewheel works just fine. No problems there of any
> kind.
> 
> On my latest boot of the system, it looked to me like the button acted
> normally for about one minute, but then the usual crap started
> happening again, so I assume that the mouse hardware is fine. (I have
> also tried another mouse - same behaviour).

I see this problem with Logitech wireless pointer products
(mouse, trackball...) when the distance between the USB receiver
and the pointing device is marginal or partially blocked. That
includes a distance of less than one meter where the USB
receiver is blocked by metal in the computer's case from seeing
the mouse.

If you get a USB extension cable or otherwise relocate the USB
receiver so that it is closer and has unblocked line of sight to
the mouse, I suspect your problem will go away.

-dsr-

Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Richard Owlett]

On 10/09/2021 08:04 AM, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:

Hi!

I have massive problems with my Logitech M705 - Or specifically with
the left mouse button. Sometimes (very often) singleclick becomes
double-click, dragging items is very hard, it drops the drag before I
release the mouse button. Clicking on the terminal icon in my xfce
panel often starts three terminals. The weird thing is that mouse
movement and the mousewheel works just fine. No problems there of any
kind.

This is independent of which program I use - in Claws Mail, the
Chromium browser, and also in virtualbox and Steam games.

This is on an up to date Debian 11 Bullseye (just upgraded to the first
point release), Xfce desktop, Nvidia graphicscard using the Nvidia
drivers on Xorg. All packages up-to-date with Debian 11.1.

[SNIP]

I don't know about Xfce, but MATE can adjust the double-click interval 
at System->Preferences->Hardware->Mouse . It also has a setting for 
"Drag and drop threshold".


I suspect Xfce has similar.

HTH

Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Sat, Oct 09, 2021 at 10:29:06AM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> On 09/10/2021 10:04, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I have massive problems with my Logitech M705 - Or specifically with
> > the left mouse button. Sometimes (very often) singleclick becomes
> > double-click, dragging items is very hard, it drops the drag before I
> > release the mouse button. Clicking on the terminal icon in my xfce
> > panel often starts three terminals. The weird thing is that mouse
> > movement and the mousewheel works just fine. No problems there of any
> > kind.
> 
> Seems like a hardware problem. Have you tried another mouse?
> 
He did.  This is what he said:

> > On my latest boot of the system, it looked to me like the button acted
> > normally for about one minute, but then the usual crap started
> > happening again, so I assume that the mouse hardware is fine. (I have
> > also tried another mouse - same behaviour).

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: Mouse left button acts really strange

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On 09/10/2021 10:04, Andreas Rönnquist wrote:

Hi!

I have massive problems with my Logitech M705 - Or specifically with
the left mouse button. Sometimes (very often) singleclick becomes
double-click, dragging items is very hard, it drops the drag before I
release the mouse button. Clicking on the terminal icon in my xfce
panel often starts three terminals. The weird thing is that mouse
movement and the mousewheel works just fine. No problems there of any
kind.


Seems like a hardware problem. Have you tried another mouse?

--
Half Moon tonight.  (At least it's better than no Moon at all.)

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
edua...@kalinowski.com.br

Mouse left button acts really strange

[Andreas Rönnquist]

Hi!

I have massive problems with my Logitech M705 - Or specifically with
the left mouse button. Sometimes (very often) singleclick becomes
double-click, dragging items is very hard, it drops the drag before I
release the mouse button. Clicking on the terminal icon in my xfce
panel often starts three terminals. The weird thing is that mouse
movement and the mousewheel works just fine. No problems there of any
kind.

This is independent of which program I use - in Claws Mail, the
Chromium browser, and also in virtualbox and Steam games.

This is on an up to date Debian 11 Bullseye (just upgraded to the first
point release), Xfce desktop, Nvidia graphicscard using the Nvidia
drivers on Xorg. All packages up-to-date with Debian 11.1.

On my latest boot of the system, it looked to me like the button acted
normally for about one minute, but then the usual crap started
happening again, so I assume that the mouse hardware is fine. (I have
also tried another mouse - same behaviour).

Mouse section in xorg.conf:

Section "InputDevice"
# generated from default
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse0"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection


It was this earlier:
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"

- but no difference, independent on which "Device" I use there.


Please help me solve this problem!

-- Andreas Rönnquist
mailingli...@gusnan.se
andr...@ronnquist.net

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