Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Original Message: - From: johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:06:01 -0800 (PST) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...) I have no experience with wifi range extenders but it seems to me it should

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-17 Thread johnny
Well, an 802.11g network has max throughput of 54Mb/s = 6.75 MB/s It normally has an average throughput of 19Mb/s = 2.4MB/s So, either you are getting very slow MegaBITS per second or your test shows bad MegaBYTE readings :-) I can assure you that I can't get more than max 10Mbps (standard

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-17 Thread Peter Teunissen
On Thu, January 17, 2008 10:30, johnny wrote: I can assure you that I can't get more than max 10Mbps (standard 8/9). Maybe depends upon a range extender I have in my location: I read that this kind of thing takes the global throughput to half, is it true? I have no experience with wifi range

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-17 Thread johnny
I have no experience with wifi range extenders but it seems to me it should really just 'resend' the signal. If the extender is a 802.11g device, I'd expect it to produce the same throughput as the original source. I can imagine there might be some problems with both devices using the same

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-17 Thread Jochen Schulz
johnny: I can assure you that I can't get more than max 10Mbps (standard 8/9). Maybe depends upon a range extender I have in my location: I read that this kind of thing takes the global throughput to half, is it true? Yes. There is a (more or less) fixed throughput available for both sending

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-17 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jan 17, 2008, at 4:24 AM, Peter Teunissen wrote: I have no experience with wifi range extenders but it seems to me it should really just 'resend' the signal. If the extender is a 802.11g device, I'd expect it to produce the same throughput as the original source. When dealing with a

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-16 Thread johnny
Copying a 1GB file... ... **only n-devices active** ... 10MB/S average throughput Copying a 1GB file... ... **with one other g-device active** ... 7MB/S average throughput. I dunno, I copy movies server - laptop for a considerable test time and mrtg says I stay about 8/9Mbps. I would say

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-16 Thread Peter Teunissen
On Wed, January 16, 2008 10:20, johnny wrote: Copying a 1GB file... ... **only n-devices active** ... 10MB/S average throughput Copying a 1GB file... ... **with one other g-device active** ... 7MB/S average throughput. I dunno, I copy movies server - laptop for a considerable test time

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-14 Thread johnny
Because... I did some more testing... - Ok, thanks Peter for your observations. I gotta do other tests too (I'm gonna think about yours). - yeah, your architecture doesn't add but is pro ;) - Only one doubt: in a wireless network, if the router and the nics are N except one G card, I'd expect

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-14 Thread Peter Teunissen
On 14-jan-2008, at 10:33, johnny wrote: - Only one doubt: in a wireless network, if the router and the nics are N except one G card, I'd expect the last one drag all back (my usual idea about CSMA/CD signal-caching collisions: MAC level saturation), am I right? That's right. I'm by no means a

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-12 Thread johnny
In particular, the hidden transmitter problem really bites 802.11b/g. If computer A , Computer B, and access point P... 1. Ok, but do you know papers or scientist engineers talking about a possible solution (b/g) and indicating a way (eg. drivers change)? 2. Does the story change as to n

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-12 Thread Peter Teunissen
On 11-jan-2008, at 22:57, johnny wrote: For example, Peter, with N, you say is better, but may I ask you the architecture of your network? (fast: only you or...) Because of your question and the level of the discussion, I did some more testing. My original remark was just based on small

Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-11 Thread johnny
Hi, in my flat there are 1 router, 1 range extender, 2 vista, 1 XP and my 2 linux ubuntu (one of which is mail/samba/nfs/etc server, is monitored via mrtg and contains a lot of music/movies). All, wireless. The problem: when I listen to music or watch movies from my laptop (my flatmates idem)

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-11 Thread Peter Teunissen
On 11-jan-2008, at 19:03, johnny wrote: Hi, in my flat there are 1 router, 1 range extender, 2 vista, 1 XP and my 2 linux ubuntu (one of which is mail/samba/nfs/etc server, is monitored via mrtg and contains a lot of music/movies). All, wireless. The problem: when I listen to music or watch

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-11 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jan 11, 2008, at 10:03 AM, johnny wrote: Hi, in my flat there are 1 router, 1 range extender, 2 vista, 1 XP and my 2 linux ubuntu (one of which is mail/samba/nfs/etc server, is monitored via mrtg and contains a lot of music/movies). All, wireless. The problem: when I listen to music or

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-11 Thread johnny
It's actually pretty hard to get the full bandwidth that 802.11g promises. Sorry if I cut a bit but your objection is fondamentally this way (possible factors: close wireless networks, 2.4GHz devices, ..., ok, but all linked to your mother reasoning). But I am telling you that if you see mrtg

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-11 Thread Rob Sims
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 10:03:41AM -0800, johnny wrote: The graphs say it is clearly not bandwith fault. Reading around: It is well known that the medium access control (MAC) layer is the main bottleneck for the IEEE 802.11 wireless LANs.

Re: Movies, household network and 54g limits... (maybe...)

2008-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/11/08 17:28, Rob Sims wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 10:03:41AM -0800, johnny wrote: The graphs say it is clearly not bandwith fault. Reading around: It is well known that the medium access control (MAC) layer is the main bottleneck for