Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Hi Richard, Did you ever get this working for you? Did you notice the --scan option to jigdo-lite? It might allow you to use your DVD iso's to avoid downloading a lot of stuff you already have. I seem to remember that internet bandwidth was a problem for you. Note: I believe that the powers-that-be have decided that supporting the businesscard images is not going to be done in the future. The suggestion is to use netinst instead. It's not much bigger than businesscard and it allows a fairly complete minimal installation without requiring network access, which businesscard did not. Enjoy! Rick On Mar 11, 2013, at 4:39 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: Following suggestions given in response to Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install I wish to experiment with using netinst and businesscard images to perform *NO NETWORK AVAILABLE* installs. As what I currently have available is the 8 DVD set of Debian 6.0.5 [Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 Squeeze - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20120512-13:45] , I need the matching netinst and businesscard images. I can only find those matching 6.0.7. Due to internet connectivity issues downloading downloading everything for another release is not feasible. Purchasing another DVD set on hold until wheezy is released. Pointer please. TIA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/03d51d8f-f801-4bc3-a58e-3bbe6e500...@pobox.com
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Rick Thomas wrote: Hi Richard, Did you ever get this working for you? Did you notice the --scan option to jigdo-lite? It might allow you to use your DVD iso's to avoid downloading a lot of stuff you already have. I seem to remember that internet bandwidth was a problem for you. Note: I believe that the powers-that-be have decided that supporting the businesscard images is not going to be done in the future. The suggestion is to use netinst instead. It's not much bigger than businesscard and it allows a fairly complete minimal installation without requiring network access, which businesscard did not. For outside reasons that project has been pushed into the background. I'm also rethinking my goals. I've been sort of following various threads about Wheezy and suspect some of my original motivations will evaporate with the release version. I'll wait for full release and availability of DVD sets. Suspect better understanding of preseeding will be what I should have spent my time on. We'll see. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/514fb91e.6010...@cloud85.net
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
2013/3/11 Claudius Hubig debian_1...@chubig.net: Richard specifically asked for version 6.0.5[0], which is _not_ the current version. You should be able to issue the following command to generate a netinst ISO image (after installing the jigdo-file package): jigdo-lite --noask http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.jigdo For the business card ISO the command is: jigdo-lite --noask http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-businesscard.jigdo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHSpYy3SWFwhC7+uvppYT50v1Eb20+1emoFFsxmhV3=1ela...@mail.gmail.com
NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Following suggestions given in response to Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install I wish to experiment with using netinst and businesscard images to perform *NO NETWORK AVAILABLE* installs. As what I currently have available is the 8 DVD set of Debian 6.0.5 [Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 Squeeze - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20120512-13:45] , I need the matching netinst and businesscard images. I can only find those matching 6.0.7. Due to internet connectivity issues downloading downloading everything for another release is not feasible. Purchasing another DVD set on hold until wheezy is released. Pointer please. TIA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513dc255.4000...@cloud85.net
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
On 11/03/13 11:39, Richard Owlett wrote: Pointer please. TIA You could have a poke about at http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ Failing that, you may be able to create a custom CD for your needs using the DVD set you have as a starting point. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513dc41f.3000...@deathbycomputers.co.uk
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Tom Grace wrote: On 11/03/13 11:39, Richard Owlett wrote: Pointer please. TIA You could have a poke about at http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ Thanks for the quick reply, but that's where I started ; I also followed multiple paths starting at http://www.debian.org/ and http://www.debian.org/sitemap . I suspect someone has been quietly doing some needed housekeeping. It seemed easier to navigate. Maybe I'm just more used to it. Failing that, you may be able to create a custom CD for your needs using the DVD set you have as a starting point. As a relative newbie, how? One of my motivations is learning guts of Debian. As a retiree I have time available. But a custom mix can not really meet my current project goal which explicitly require using ONLY standard release components. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513dc940.8050...@cloud85.net
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Richard Owlett writes: But a custom mix can not really meet my current project goal which explicitly require using ONLY standard release components. Then use CD1, select Expert mode, and stop after the Standard packages are installed. You don't have to install stuff just because it is there. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d2v6gl6u@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Dear Richard, Richard Owlett wrote: Tom Grace wrote: On 11/03/13 11:39, Richard Owlett wrote: Pointer please. TIA You could have a poke about at http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ Thanks for the quick reply, but that's where I started ; From there, you can get to http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/ And following the instructions on http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ (as http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ explains you that these are only kept in Jigdo format), you need to download http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.template http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.jigdo and install jigdo-files. Then calling # jigdo-lite debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.gz should download and build an appropriate ISO image (I just tested it, it does work :)). Best, Claudius -- Please don’t CC me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130311123249.2c439...@ares.home.chubig.net
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Claudius Hubig wrote: Dear Richard, Richard Owlett wrote: Tom Grace wrote: On 11/03/13 11:39, Richard Owlett wrote: Pointer please. TIA You could have a poke about at http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ Thanks for the quick reply, but that's where I started ; From there, you can get to http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/ And following the instructions on http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ (as http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ explains you that these are only kept in Jigdo format), you need to download http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.template http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.jigdo and install jigdo-files. Then calling # jigdo-lite debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.gz should download and build an appropriate ISO image (I just tested it, it does work :)). I'll try it after lunch. I had been avoiding jigdo as I understood its use was being discouraged - there had been a discussion on some list or USENET group I'd been reading. [It apparently was NOT this list. I just did a Google search of the archives] Also statements on related sites painted a discouraging picture: Currently, the system works, but is not yet very comfortable to use because the download manager application is not finished. http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ This software is now in maintenance mode, development has stopped. Unfortunately, this means that various parts (in particular the GUI download tool) will remain unfinished. http://atterer.org/jigdo/ Also, at the moment only the shell script jigdo-lite can be used for downloading. Unfortunately, the jigdo GUI download manager shown below never reached a usable state. http://atterer.org/jigdo/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513e0e80.80...@cloud85.net
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Richard Owlett wrote: Claudius Hubig wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Tom Grace wrote: On 11/03/13 11:39, Richard Owlett wrote: Pointer please. TIA You could have a poke about at http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ That is the archive. You want the current images. http://www.debian.org/releases/ Select stable takes you to: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ Selecting installation information takes you to: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ And on that page are ISOs of images. I recommend the netinst amd64 image. It is a direct link. Just download it. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-netinst.iso From there, you can get to http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/ And following the instructions on http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ (as http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ explains you that these are only kept in Jigdo format), you need to download http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.template http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.jigdo and install jigdo-files. Then calling # jigdo-lite debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.gz should download and build an appropriate ISO image (I just tested it, it does work :)). Using jigdo also works well. I like using it with a networked template. For CD#1: # apt-get install jigdo-file $ mkdir jigdo-stuff $ cd jigdo-stuff $ jigdo-lite --noask http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-CD-1.jigdo ...lots of output... $ ls -ldog debian-6.0.6-amd64-CD-1.iso -rw-rw-r-- 1 678428672 Jan 8 13:56 debian-6.0.6-amd64-CD-1.iso For the netinst image same thing but: jigdo-lite --noask http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-netinst.jigdo I'll try it after lunch. I had been avoiding jigdo as I understood its use was being discouraged It is still very much supported. But the Internet has no delete button and there was much discussion of early problems that were eventually fixed. How old are those postings? I would definitely recommend jigdo when using a fast local mirror. When used on the mirror machine itself it is extremely fast! :-) You can use jigdo-lite to build any of the images that are needed even though the mirror does not keep full ISOs around. Because of the caching of smaller individual deb files it is more resilient to stopping and starting. A large DVD ISO it is only useful if you have the whole entire file. Change one deb and the whole entire file is needed to be downloaded again. Whereas with jigdo only the one deb needs to be downloaded again. An incremental update is much faster using jigdo. Currently, the system works, but is not yet very comfortable to use because the download manager application is not finished. http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ Who needs a graphical download manager? Simply use the command line as shown above. You have been railing against having a network but you require a mouse? That seems very inconsistent. This software is now in maintenance mode, development has stopped. Unfortunately, this means that various parts (in particular the GUI download tool) will remain unfinished. http://atterer.org/jigdo/ Likewise. There is no itch to scratch. It works. Software maturity is a good thing not a bad thing. Also, at the moment only the shell script jigdo-lite can be used for downloading. Unfortunately, the jigdo GUI download manager shown below never reached a usable state. http://atterer.org/jigdo/ GUI, GUI, GUI. Writing a novel with the mouse is like using a bar of soap on a window. The keyboard is much more efficient. Take that mouse and throw it away! :-) Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Bob Proulx wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Claudius Hubig wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Tom Grace wrote: On 11/03/13 11:39, Richard Owlett wrote: Pointer please. TIA You could have a poke about at http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ That is the archive. You want the current images. *SNIP* NO, I have explicit requirement for i386 version of Debian 6.0.5 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513e2bcf.8090...@cloud85.net
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Dear Bob, Bob Proulx wrote: That is the archive. You want the current images. jigdo-lite --noask http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-netinst.jigdo Richard specifically asked for version 6.0.5[0], which is _not_ the current version. Best, Claudius [0] Though I still don’t quite get his reason for this, but, well. -- Please don’t CC me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130311184755.37d01...@ares.home.chubig.net
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Claudius Hubig wrote: Dear Bob, Bob Proulx wrote: That is the archive. You want the current images. jigdo-lite --noask http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/amd64/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-netinst.jigdo Richard specifically asked for version 6.0.5[0], which is _not_ the current version. Ah. Sorry. I had missed that. In which case all else applies but just using the different URL to the desired image. jigdo-lite --noask http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.jigdo [0] Though I still don’t quite get his reason for this, but, well. Agreed. This reads like a very long and convoluted form of The XY Problem. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341 Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: NEEDED: not quite current buisnesscard and netinst iso images
Richard Owlett wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Claudius Hubig wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Tom Grace wrote: On 11/03/13 11:39, Richard Owlett wrote: Pointer please. TIA You could have a poke about at http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ That is the archive. You want the current images. *SNIP* NO, I have explicit requirement for i386 version of Debian 6.0.5 In which case all else applies but use this URL instead. jigdo-lite --noask http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.jigdo Most of the time the problem is just getting *any* working example. After having a working example it can be modified into other use cases. That is a pretty basic premise for anything. The above is a perfect example of this. An example was given. It wasn't a perfect match but close enough to deduce the correct match for you. The pieces were provided among the responses. All it needed was basic assembly. I don't want 6.0.7, I want 6.0.5. Okay. Then use 6.0.5 then. I don't want amd64, I want i386. Okay. Then use i386. That isn't rocket surgery. With volunteer help there is almost never going to be a perfect match handed out all of the time. People providing help is great but you must be able to do some of this work yourself. What goes around comes around. You get what you give. Be a help to society not a burden. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
