Re: [OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Dan H
On Tue, 22 May 2007 01:33:53 -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I fail to understand is what difference does it make if text is > above or below a sig delimiter? It doesn't. > Either it is offensive or it is not. What is offensive or isn't is entirely up to the reader.

Re: [OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 03:34:25AM +, s. keeling wrote: > Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 04:31:12PM +, s. keeling wrote: > > > > > > No. Think about what you're saying. Sigs are a time honoured > > > practice, and if you don't like one, hit delete an

Re: [OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread s. keeling
Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 04:31:12PM +, s. keeling wrote: > > Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt > > > attacked religion unfairly. Many people use quite provocative sigs, >

Re: [OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:53:44AM -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > >So, let me see if I understand this. The things for which Michelle, > >Ron, Michael, Johannes, Judd, Florian and I were criticized, because > >they were supposedly offensive, would be OK as long as t

Re: [OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: So, let me see if I understand this. The things for which Michelle, Ron, Michael, Johannes, Judd, Florian and I were criticized, because they were supposedly offensive, would be OK as long as they were in a sig? If they also honored the four-line sig netiquette, y

[OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 04:31:12PM +, s. keeling wrote: > Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > I see your point about offensiveness, but I'll point out that the OT > > thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt > > attacked religion unfairly. Many people use quit

[OT] Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:34:55PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 02:34:50PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > This type of guideline means a whole heck of a lot more than large > > sweeping corrections. Plus, we do need someone to thwack the > > responder(s) from time

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 02:34:50PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > This type of guideline means a whole heck of a lot more than large > sweeping corrections. Plus, we do need someone to thwack the > responder(s) from time to time. Many could do this, specifically and > privately over private e-mail.

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 18.05.07 23:59, Mark Grieveson wrote: > Between those who post OT threads, and those who whine about the OT > threads, it's hard to say what's more annoying. I understand those tho whine. I don't understand those who are OT. > PS, I'm pretty excited about the Ottawa Senators/Buffalo Sabres ga

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Klein Moebius
* Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-20 01:04:15 -0400]: > Hoping for a resolution without bloodshed, Hear,here. Regards, Klein. -- They also surf who only stand on waves -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Miles Fidelman
s. keeling wrote: M. Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Personally, I had already decided that, from now on, any off topic rambling by the people we have already mentioned will cause an immediate reply, both on the list and to the moderators, requesting, with links to this thread, that they ar

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Amy Templeton
Hi all, I really, honestly think this thread has gone on quite long enough--it has degenerated into an argument over whether or not OT posters have taken the hint, and I really don't see that getting anywhere. So, to summarize what I think has been said so far: 1) Offtopic posts are out of contro

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread John Fleming
- Original Message - From: "M. Fioretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user On Sat, May 19, 2007 17:55:34 PM -0400, Miles Fidelman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >Ple

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 12:34:29AM +, s. keeling wrote: > Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:15:01PM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 14:34:50 PM -0400, Greg Folkert > > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > > > That changes many t

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:15:01PM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 14:34:50 PM -0400, Greg Folkert > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > That changes many thing. First off BANNING is not the answer. It > > > will be seen a a "bad

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
M. Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Personally, I had already decided that, from now on, any off topic > rambling by the people we have already mentioned will cause an > immediate reply, both on the list and to the moderators, requesting, > with links to this thread, that they are banned from

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:15:01PM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 14:34:50 PM -0400, Greg Folkert > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > That changes many thing. First off BANNING is not the answer. It > > will be seen a a "bad thing" by the blogosphere and some journalists > > that

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, May 19, 2007 17:55:34 PM -0400, Miles Fidelman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >Please avoid this kind of technical suggestions in this thread: > > > >* it is still the same unacceptable "since you can buy ear plugs, I > > can yell whenever I want" attitude. See my previous messages > > >

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Klein Moebius
* Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-19 17:55:34 -0400]: > Enough already, or does somebody have to mention Nazis? Nazis. There, I did it... Regards, Klein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2007 17:19:31 PM -0400, Miles Fidelman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: No, sorry, the problem is a concrete, objective one: * everybody with any metered connection _pays_ real money every time these characters rerun their show

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, May 19, 2007 14:34:50 PM -0400, Greg Folkert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > That changes many thing. First off BANNING is not the answer. It > will be seen a a "bad thing" by the blogosphere and some journalists > that see only bad things. You mean more bad than "the main support forum of o

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Linas Žvirblis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Folkert wrote: > No, there is another way, making all Debian lists subscriber only. And what exactly is this going to solve? How many of the "offenders" are not subscribed already? Besides, I would definitely not want all lists to be subscriber

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 20:13 +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 11:18:22 AM -0500, Gnu_Raiz > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > What it comes down to pretty much is some people want a moderated > > debian-user list! The only choice left is to see if you can > > change, the list typ

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, May 19, 2007 11:18:22 AM -0500, Gnu_Raiz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > What it comes down to pretty much is some people want a moderated > debian-user list! The only choice left is to see if you can > change, the list type to moderated, or add more to the code of > conduct. I don't kno

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Gnu_Raiz
Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anyone receiving their email via ham radio would be in a bit of a pickle >since it would be them that caused such messages to be transmitted on >ham frequencies. Thats a good point, we should be considerate of other users, when we make our ra

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, May 19, 2007 01:50:10 AM -0500, Gnu_Raiz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > ROFL Those are some true words short and sweet and to the point! > Nice! I consider this like the newspaper how many people read the > whole paper cover to cover? One main difference is that the real cost of the newspap

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Gnu_Raiz
> Mark Grieveson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Between those who post OT threads, and those who whine about the OT >threads, it's hard to say what's more annoying. > >I dunno. I just ignore 'em all. >Mark ROFL Those are some true words short and sweet and to the point! Nice! I consider this like the

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Grieveson
Between those who post OT threads, and those who whine about the OT threads, it's hard to say what's more annoying. I dunno. I just ignore 'em all. Mark PS, I'm pretty excited about the Ottawa Senators/Buffalo Sabres game this Saturday. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-18 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Gnu_Raiz wrote: > Let me get this straight developers are complaining about OT topics, how > it takes up their developer time. But they manage to compile a list of > offenses made by people who read the list? Then they threaten to leave > due to issues of people not being on topic? > Naa! He

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-18 Thread Joey Hess
Gnu_Raiz wrote: > Let me get this straight developers are complaining about OT topics, how > it takes up their developer time. But they manage to compile a list of > offenses made by people who read the list? Then they threaten to leave > due to issues of people not being on topic? > > Then t

(OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-18 Thread Gnu_Raiz
Let me get this straight developers are complaining about OT topics, how it takes up their developer time. But they manage to compile a list of offenses made by people who read the list? Then they threaten to leave due to issues of people not being on topic? Then they wonder why Etch was late