Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-25 Thread David Wright
On Fri 25 Aug 2017 at 09:22:56 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 02:20:38AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 25 August 2017 01:27:47 David Wright wrote: > > > > > > But what has that to do with having the proper entry's > > > > in /etc/resolv.conf? Whose active lines

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-25 Thread Dan Ritter
On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 02:20:38AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2017 01:27:47 David Wright wrote: > > > > But what has that to do with having the proper entry's > > > in /etc/resolv.conf? Whose active lines are: > > > > > > nameserver 192.168.71.1 > > > search host,dns > > >

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-25 Thread Hans
Hi all, with great interest I read all your discusssions. They were very interesting and I got a lot of informations. Thanks for it! I still wondered, if the new naming scheme is more usable for unexperienced users, say, someone with a notebook and often changing devices, like usb- drives,

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 25 August 2017 01:27:47 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 25 Aug 2017 at 00:54:11 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 24 August 2017 22:15:53 David Wright wrote: > > > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 20:58:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Thursday 24 August 2017 12:30:37 Dan Ritter

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread David Wright
On Fri 25 Aug 2017 at 00:54:11 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2017 22:15:53 David Wright wrote: > > > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 20:58:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Thursday 24 August 2017 12:30:37 Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:43:56AM -0500,

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread David Wright
On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 23:00:19 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > On 2017-08-24 at 12:40, David Wright wrote: > > > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 12:02:11 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > > >> On 2017-08-24 at 11:43, David Wright wrote: > > >>> There are plenty of ways that you, or Debian, can set a default.

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 24 August 2017 22:15:53 David Wright wrote: > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 20:58:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 24 August 2017 12:30:37 Dan Ritter wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:43:56AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > The history of computing is littered with

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-08-24 at 12:40, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 12:02:11 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: >> On 2017-08-24 at 11:43, David Wright wrote: >>> There are plenty of ways that you, or Debian, can set a default. >>> But it surprises me that so many people grumble about this >>>

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread David Wright
On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 20:58:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 24 August 2017 12:30:37 Dan Ritter wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:43:56AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > The history of computing is littered with statements like > > > "virtually every computer has exactly one or

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 24 August 2017 12:30:37 Dan Ritter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:43:56AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 10:20:52 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > > > There are, of course, five different ways to do this (at a > > > minimum): > > > > > > 1. /dev/sda1 is based on

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread David Wright
On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 12:30:37 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:43:56AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 10:20:52 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > > > There are, of course, five different ways to do this (at a > > > minimum): > > > > > > 1. /dev/sda1 is

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread David Wright
On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 12:59:46 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:40:28AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 12:02:11 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > > > On 2017-08-24 at 11:43, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 10:20:52 (-0400), Dan

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread David Wright
On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 13:35:17 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:51:48AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > For you, they wrote the last screenful of > > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ > > One of the bullet points on that

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:51:48AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > For you, they wrote the last screenful of > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ One of the bullet points on that page says: * Stable interface names even if you have to replace broken

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:40:28AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 12:02:11 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2017-08-24 at 11:43, David Wright wrote: > > > > > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 10:20:52 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > > If things ever do reach a point where that is no

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread David Wright
On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 11:56:55 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > At my workplace, we have over 4,000 computers, which run Windows most of > the time but are occasionally booted to a bare-bones live-CD type of > Linux environment (and not a particularly customizable one) for > diagnostic and/or

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread David Wright
On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 12:02:11 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > On 2017-08-24 at 11:43, David Wright wrote: > > > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 10:20:52 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > > >> Getting back to the original point, NIC names -- virtually every > >> computer has exactly one or two NICs, and is best

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:43:56AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 10:20:52 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > > There are, of course, five different ways to do this (at a > > minimum): > > > > 1. /dev/sda1 is based on discovery order. Changes in discovery order > > may indicate a

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread David Wright
On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 09:17:00 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > On 2017-08-24 at 07:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 01:11:27PM +0200, Hans wrote: > > > >> Hi folks, > > > >> I stumbled over the new network names (i.e. wl0p8 instead of wlan0), and > >> of > >> course I

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-08-24 at 11:43, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 10:20:52 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: >> Getting back to the original point, NIC names -- virtually every >> computer has exactly one or two NICs, and is best served by eth0 >> and wlan0. The computers with 3-5 NICs are usually

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-08-24 at 11:48, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 08:30:33AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: >>> To the best of my awareness, the rationale for calling this >>> "predictable network interface names" is that, on

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 08:30:33AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: However, I'll point out that machines with this many network interfaces are *by far* the exception rather than the rule; indeed, even machines with more than *one*

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread David Wright
On Thu 24 Aug 2017 at 10:20:52 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 08:30:33AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > > This closely parallels the move from using /dev/sdXn to UUIDs for > > referring to filesystems. Probably superior in theory and doesn't cause > > any issues as long as

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 08:30:33AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > However, I'll point out that machines with this many network interfaces > > are *by far* the exception rather than the rule; indeed, even machines > > with more than

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-08-24 at 09:30, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> However, I'll point out that machines with this many network >> interfaces are *by far* the exception rather than the rule; indeed, >> even machines with more than *one* interface

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > However, I'll point out that machines with this many network interfaces > are *by far* the exception rather than the rule; indeed, even machines > with more than *one* interface each of wired and wireless are reasonably > rare. In

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2017-08-24 at 07:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > However, I'll point out that machines with this many network interfaces > are *by far* the exception rather than the rule [...]

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-08-24 at 07:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 01:11:27PM +0200, Hans wrote: > >> Hi folks, > >> I stumbled over the new network names (i.e. wl0p8 instead of wlan0), and of >> course I know, that this is obviously the newe standard (please correct me, >> i >> I am

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 01:11:27PM +0200, Hans wrote: > Hi folks, > > I stumbled over the new network names (i.e. wl0p8 instead of wlan0), and of > course I know, that this is obviously the newe standard (please correct me, i > I am wrong). Relax.

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread Jude DaShiell
No, this is not just debian, you'll find it on archlinux as well. On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Hans wrote: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:11:27 From: Hans <hans.ullr...@loop.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Question to new network device names Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 11:14:06 +000

Re: Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread Dejan Jocic
On 24-08-17, Hans wrote: > Hi folks, > > I stumbled over the new network names (i.e. wl0p8 instead of wlan0), and of > course I know, that this is obviously the newe standard (please correct me, i > I am wrong). > > What I would like to know: Is this new naming scheme an international >

Question to new network device names

2017-08-24 Thread Hans
Hi folks, I stumbled over the new network names (i.e. wl0p8 instead of wlan0), and of course I know, that this is obviously the newe standard (please correct me, i I am wrong). What I would like to know: Is this new naming scheme an international standard on all linux distributions, or is