Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-02-14 Thread Linux-Fan
On 01/21/2015 07:15 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 20 January 2015 19:58:51 Don Armstrong did opine [...] If you're still having trouble, the actual logs will be more helpful. See https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-miscel laneous That is a decent

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-26 Thread Bob Proulx
Gene Heskett wrote: I was, I screwed around again last night and set it up again, using gparted, until everybody was happy. So now it looks like this: gene@coyote:~/Downloads$ sudo parted /dev/sdb unit s print [sudo] password for gene: Model: ATA ST1000VX000-1CU1 (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb:

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 26 January 2015 21:52:35 Bob Proulx did opine And Gene did reply: Gene Heskett wrote: I was, I screwed around again last night and set it up again, using gparted, until everybody was happy. So now it looks like this: gene@coyote:~/Downloads$ sudo parted /dev/sdb unit s print

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-24 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 24 January 2015 02:17:30 Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 23 January 2015 15:41:06 Ric Moore did opine And Gene did reply: On 01/23/2015 03:09 PM, Dom wrote: On 23/01/15 19:21, Joe wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:08:56 -0300 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 23 January 2015 05:47:13 Lisi Reisz did opine And Gene did reply: On Friday 23 January 2015 03:25:42 Gene Heskett wrote: You haven't a clue what you are doing when you are partitioning, have you? Not really, I have only been doing it since 1985 or 6. :) No doubt long

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 22 January 2015 14:52:16 Bob Holtzman did opine And Gene did reply: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 01:15:25AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 20 January 2015 19:58:51 Don Armstrong did opine And Gene did reply: On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, Gene Heskett wrote: and leave you with a

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Joe
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:08:56 -0300 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:46:04 + Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Touché. :-( Yes, that wasn't very nice. But one can hardly compare 1985 with now! Hard drives were in single figure

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 23 January 2015 12:42:15 Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 23 January 2015 05:47:13 Lisi Reisz did opine And Gene did reply: On Friday 23 January 2015 03:25:42 Gene Heskett wrote: You haven't a clue what you are doing when you are partitioning, have you? Not really, I have

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 23 January 2015 14:07:30 Brian did opine And Gene did reply: On Thu 22 Jan 2015 at 22:33:57 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: The Brother supplied ppd's for my HL-3170CDW color laser do not strip and reformat html that well. It does quite well on most web jobs, like printing the order

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Brian
On Fri 23 Jan 2015 at 14:24:45 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 23 January 2015 13:46:04 Lisi Reisz did opine And Gene did reply: On Friday 23 January 2015 12:42:15 Gene Heskett wrote: Not really, I have only been doing it since 1985 or 6. :) No doubt long experienced

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Ric Moore
On 01/23/2015 03:09 PM, Dom wrote: On 23/01/15 19:21, Joe wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:08:56 -0300 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:46:04 + Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Touché. :-( Yes, that wasn't very nice. But one can

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Brian
On Thu 22 Jan 2015 at 22:33:57 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: The Brother supplied ppd's for my HL-3170CDW color laser do not strip and reformat html that well. It does quite well on most web jobs, like printing the order ack when I buy something online, but to do a web page is asking a bit

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Brian
On Fri 23 Jan 2015 at 18:46:04 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 23 January 2015 12:42:15 Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 23 January 2015 05:47:13 Lisi Reisz did opine And Gene did reply: On Friday 23 January 2015 03:25:42 Gene Heskett wrote: You haven't a clue what you are doing

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 23 January 2015 13:46:04 Lisi Reisz did opine And Gene did reply: On Friday 23 January 2015 12:42:15 Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 23 January 2015 05:47:13 Lisi Reisz did opine And Gene did reply: On Friday 23 January 2015 03:25:42 Gene Heskett wrote: You haven't a clue

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 23 January 2015 19:24:45 Gene Heskett wrote: You are late to the party Lisi, Sorry, Gene. I find you very hard to follow. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Dom
On 23/01/15 19:21, Joe wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:08:56 -0300 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:46:04 + Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Touché. :-( Yes, that wasn't very nice. But one can hardly compare 1985 with now! Hard

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Brian
On Fri 23 Jan 2015 at 14:35:57 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 23 January 2015 14:07:30 Brian did opine And Gene did reply: On Thu 22 Jan 2015 at 22:33:57 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: The Brother supplied ppd's for my HL-3170CDW color laser do not strip and reformat html that well.

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Ron
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:46:04 + Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Touché. :-( Yes, that wasn't very nice. But one can hardly compare 1985 with now! Hard drives were in single figure gig sizes. More like meg sizes... Cheers, Ron. -- Non omnia

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 23 January 2015 15:19:48 Lisi Reisz did opine And Gene did reply: On Friday 23 January 2015 19:24:45 Gene Heskett wrote: You are late to the party Lisi, Sorry, Gene. I find you very hard to follow. Lisi Sorry Lisi. My arthritic fingers have slowed more than my brain,

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 23 January 2015 15:41:06 Ric Moore did opine And Gene did reply: On 01/23/2015 03:09 PM, Dom wrote: On 23/01/15 19:21, Joe wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:08:56 -0300 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:46:04 + Lisi Reisz

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 07:26:02PM +, Brian wrote: On Thu 22 Jan 2015 at 13:31:36 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 22 January 2015 09:42:13 Gary Dale did opine 50G for swap?! The partitioner that sets this up previously setup a bit over 2x the memory, 18Gb for swap,

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 23 January 2015 03:25:42 Gene Heskett wrote: You haven't a clue what you are doing when you are partitioning, have you? Not really, I have only been doing it since 1985 or 6. :)   No doubt long experienced drivers of horse drawn carriages thought that they were well qualified to

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-22 Thread Gary Dale
On 21/01/15 08:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 21 January 2015 16:29:45 Bob Proulx did opine And Gene did reply: Gene Heskett wrote: Bob Proulx did opine You seem to believe that the Wheezy debian-installer does not handle the new Advanced Format 4k sectors. However I use it all of

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 22 January 2015 09:42:13 Gary Dale did opine And Gene did reply: On 21/01/15 08:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 21 January 2015 16:29:45 Bob Proulx did opine And Gene did reply: Gene Heskett wrote: Bob Proulx did opine You seem to believe that the Wheezy

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 22 January 2015 01:59:39 Bob Proulx did opine And Gene did reply: Gene Heskett wrote: Bob Proulx did opine And Gene did reply: Go ahead and install its way, then run an fdisk -l and read the result, confirmed by quite slow readings from hdparm -tT on the drive you

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-22 Thread Gary Dale
On 21/01/15 01:09 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 20 January 2015 19:17:59 Lisi Reisz did opine And Gene did reply: On Wednesday 21 January 2015 00:02:41 Gene Heskett wrote: If there is a way, then maybe I'll try it again, but give me step by step I can printout and follow when there is no

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 22 January 2015 19:26:02 Brian wrote: Removing the boot partition removes the guarantee that boot related files will be within reach of the bios.  However, 50Gb is out of line as I have been using 1Gb for years, which has all sorts of cruft I haven't used in yonks in it.  So

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 22 January 2015 14:26:02 Brian did opine And Gene did reply: On Thu 22 Jan 2015 at 13:31:36 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 22 January 2015 09:42:13 Gary Dale did opine 50G for swap?! The partitioner that sets this up previously setup a bit over 2x the memory,

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-22 Thread Brian
On Thu 22 Jan 2015 at 13:31:36 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 22 January 2015 09:42:13 Gary Dale did opine 50G for swap?! The partitioner that sets this up previously setup a bit over 2x the memory, 18Gb for swap, then surveyed the system and found 2 more swaps, dutifully

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-22 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 01:15:25AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 20 January 2015 19:58:51 Don Armstrong did opine And Gene did reply: On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, Gene Heskett wrote: and leave you with a miss-aligned disk that writes like its full of molsasses. Fdisk complains, gdisk

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-22 Thread Brian
On Thu 22 Jan 2015 at 12:52:16 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 01:15:25AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: That is a decent writeup. Whats chances there is a printable .pdf of it someplace? Why need a pdf? You should be able to print from your browser or from a word

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Gene Heskett wrote: Andrew M.A. Cater did opine The wheezy installer _ought_ to work with a 4K disk - fdisk will normally work - but ... It will work, poorly, giving ass-aligned disk that will be slow, or slower. You seem to believe that the Wheezy debian-installer does not handle the

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Gary Dale
On 21/01/15 04:29 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Bob Proulx did opine You seem to believe that the Wheezy debian-installer does not handle the new Advanced Format 4k sectors. However I use it all of the time with 4k sectors and it works fine. There is no known problem using the

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 21 January 2015 13:18:25 Bob Proulx did opine And Gene did reply: Gene Heskett wrote: Andrew M.A. Cater did opine The wheezy installer _ought_ to work with a 4K disk - fdisk will normally work - but ... It will work, poorly, giving ass-aligned disk that will be slow,

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Gene Heskett wrote: Bob Proulx did opine You seem to believe that the Wheezy debian-installer does not handle the new Advanced Format 4k sectors. However I use it all of the time with 4k sectors and it works fine. There is no known problem using the Wheezy debian-installer to install

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Gary Dale
On 20/01/15 06:43 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 20 January 2015 13:03:50 Gary Dale did opine And Gene did reply: On 20/01/15 09:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I just started to do a wheezy 2.8 install on a disk with 4k sectors, this after researching and finding a partitioner

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 January 2015 21:29:45 Bob Proulx wrote: What problem are you seeing?  Details? PEBCAK, but he won't accept it, so he won't try to understand what to do. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 21 January 2015 15:40:02 Gary Dale did opine And Gene did reply: On 20/01/15 06:43 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 20 January 2015 13:03:50 Gary Dale did opine And Gene did reply: On 20/01/15 09:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I just started to do a wheezy

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 21 January 2015 16:29:45 Bob Proulx did opine And Gene did reply: Gene Heskett wrote: Bob Proulx did opine You seem to believe that the Wheezy debian-installer does not handle the new Advanced Format 4k sectors. However I use it all of the time with 4k sectors and it

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Dom
On 22/01/15 01:36, Gene Heskett wrote: gene@coyote:~/Downloads$ parted /dev/sdb unit s print WARNING: You are not superuser. Watch out for permissions. Model: ATA ST1000VX000-1CU1 (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 1953525168s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B Partition Table: gpt Number Start

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Gary Dale
On 21/01/15 08:15 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 21 January 2015 15:40:02 Gary Dale did opine And Gene did reply: On 20/01/15 06:43 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 20 January 2015 13:03:50 Gary Dale did opine And Gene did reply: On 20/01/15 09:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings;

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Gene Heskett wrote: Bob Proulx did opine And Gene did reply: Go ahead and install its way, then run an fdisk -l and read the result, confirmed by quite slow readings from hdparm -tT on the drive you just installed it to. What problem are you seeing? Details? I assume the above

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 20 January 2015 19:58:51 Don Armstrong did opine And Gene did reply: On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, Gene Heskett wrote: and leave you with a miss-aligned disk that writes like its full of molsasses. Fdisk complains, gdisk will fix it, but what good does that do you when there is NO WAY

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 20 January 2015 19:17:59 Lisi Reisz did opine And Gene did reply: On Wednesday 21 January 2015 00:02:41 Gene Heskett wrote: If there is a way, then maybe I'll try it again, but give me step by step I can printout and follow when there is no one in the room, or available via the

So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-20 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings; I just started to do a wheezy 2.8 install on a disk with 4k sectors, this after researching and finding a partitioner utility that DOES know about 4k/sector disks. That is gdisk. which found the gparted setup and fixed it, all I had to do was write it to the disk., gparted, an old

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 20 January 2015 14:37:30 Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I just started to do a wheezy 2.8 Doesn't exist. Do you mean 7.8? And which disk? install on a disk with 4k sectors, this after researching and finding a partitioner utility that DOES know about 4k/sector disks. That

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-20 Thread Gary Dale
On 20/01/15 09:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I just started to do a wheezy 2.8 install on a disk with 4k sectors, this after researching and finding a partitioner utility that DOES know about 4k/sector disks. That is gdisk. which found the gparted setup and fixed it, all I had to do

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-20 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 January 2015 00:02:41 Gene Heskett wrote: If there is a way, then maybe I'll try it again, but give me step by step I can printout and follow when there is no one in the room, or available via the net. Since the problem seems to be unique to you, perhaps your installation media

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 20 January 2015 13:03:50 Gary Dale did opine And Gene did reply: On 20/01/15 09:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I just started to do a wheezy 2.8 install on a disk with 4k sectors, this after researching and finding a partitioner utility that DOES know about 4k/sector

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-20 Thread mrr
On 20/01/2015 15:40, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I just started to do a wheezy 2.8 install on a disk with 4k sectors, this after researching and finding a partitioner utility that DOES know about 4k/sector disks. That is gdisk. which found the gparted setup and fixed it, all I had to do was

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 20 January 2015 17:45:34 mrr did opine And Gene did reply: On 20/01/2015 15:40, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I just started to do a wheezy 2.8 install on a disk with 4k sectors, this after researching and finding a partitioner utility that DOES know about 4k/sector disks.

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 20 January 2015 14:43:48 Andrew M.A. Cater did opine And Gene did reply: On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 01:03:50PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/01/15 09:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I just started to do a wheezy 2.8 install on a disk with 4k sectors, this after

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-20 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, Gene Heskett wrote: and leave you with a miss-aligned disk that writes like its full of molsasses. Fdisk complains, gdisk will fix it, but what good does that do you when there is NO WAY AROUND the partitioner in the installer. Of course there is. In general, the

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 20 January 2015 13:33:43 Lisi Reisz did opine And Gene did reply: On Tuesday 20 January 2015 14:37:30 Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I just started to do a wheezy 2.8 Doesn't exist. Do you mean 7.8? And which disk? Yeah, sorry girl, but typus are the order when I am not

Re: So much for a wheezy install, massive fail

2015-01-20 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 01:03:50PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/01/15 09:37 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I just started to do a wheezy 2.8 install on a disk with 4k sectors, this after researching and finding a partitioner utility that DOES know about 4k/sector disks. That is gdisk.