Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 05:24:10AM +, Fredrik Jonson wrote: > Michael Biebl wrote: > > > Am 16.10.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: > > > > > If in doubt, do install this package. > > > > Did you maybe misread that as > > "If in doubt, do *not* install this package". > > Yes I did.

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 09:10:09AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > > How about, > > When in doubt, definitely install this package. > > or, to guide the reader more carefully, > > This package is installed by default. Unless you have a very good > reason and know what you are doing, leave it

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-18 Thread Fredrik Jonson
Brian wrote: > On Sat 17 Oct 2015 at 13:29:48 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > We might also consider bumping the prio of libpam-systemd to standard, > > as Ansgar suggested. That means, it would be installed by default, > > unless you explicitly deselect the standard task in d-i. > >

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-18 Thread Curt
On 2015-10-17, Brian wrote: > > If I were to rewrite part of the package description I would have > > If in doubt install this package. > > No comma. Its not needed. No, an apostrophe is needed. > Install this package if in doubt. > > --

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-18 Thread Brian
On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 09:50:14 +, Fredrik Jonson wrote: > Brian wrote: > > On Sat 17 Oct 2015 at 13:29:48 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > > > We might also consider bumping the prio of libpam-systemd to standard, > > > as Ansgar suggested. That means, it would be installed by default, > >

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Brian
On Sat 17 Oct 2015 at 22:52:36 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 17 October 2015 20:19:48 Brian wrote: > > > > As my spouse says: > > > > "When you go to the Co-op, please do get butter." > > > > Her expectations are not necessarily met by the eventual outcome. :) > > :-) > > Yes, but

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Brian wrote: > On Sat 17 Oct 2015 at 22:52:36 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Saturday 17 October 2015 20:19:48 Brian wrote: >> > >> > As my spouse says: >> > >> > "When you go to the Co-op, please do get butter." >> > >> > Her

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Curt
On 2015-10-17, Brian wrote: >> >> The use of 'do' in that way suggests emphasis. If you wanted that >> emphasis, a more unambiguous way is >> >> If in doubt, *install* this package >> >> If the emphasis is unnecessary, just leave out the the 'do'. > > The sentence is

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Fredrik Jonson
In Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 17 October 2015 06:24:10 Fredrik Jonson wrote: > > Michael Biebl wrote: > > > Am 16.10.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: > > > > If in doubt, do install this package. > > > > > > Did you maybe misread that as > > > "If in

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 17 October 2015 06:24:10 Fredrik Jonson wrote: > Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 16.10.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: > > > If in doubt, do install this package. > > > > Did you maybe misread that as > > "If in doubt, do *not* install this package". > > Yes I did. I don't know

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 17.10.2015 um 10:20 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: > In Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Saturday 17 October 2015 06:24:10 Fredrik Jonson wrote: >>> Michael Biebl wrote: Am 16.10.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: > If in doubt, do install this package.

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Mart van de Wege
Michael Biebl writes: > Am 17.10.2015 um 10:20 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: >> In Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> On Saturday 17 October 2015 06:24:10 Fredrik Jonson wrote: Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 16.10.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: >>

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Brian
On Sat 17 Oct 2015 at 13:29:48 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > We might also consider bumping the prio of libpam-systemd to standard, > as Ansgar suggested. That means, it would be installed by default, > unless you explicitly deselect the standard task in d-i. Looking at the policy manual at

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 17 October 2015 12:29:48 Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 17.10.2015 um 10:20 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: > > In Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Saturday 17 October 2015 06:24:10 Fredrik Jonson wrote: > >>> Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 16.10.2015 um 19:05 schrieb

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Brian
On Sat 17 Oct 2015 at 19:40:50 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 17 October 2015 12:29:48 Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 17.10.2015 um 10:20 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: > > > In Lisi Reisz wrote: > > >> On Saturday 17 October 2015 06:24:10 Fredrik Jonson wrote: > >

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Brian
On Sat 17 Oct 2015 at 15:01:55 +0200, Mart van de Wege wrote: > Michael Biebl writes: > > > Am 17.10.2015 um 10:20 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: > >> In Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> On Saturday 17 October 2015 06:24:10 Fredrik Jonson wrote: > Michael

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 17 October 2015 20:19:48 Brian wrote: > On Sat 17 Oct 2015 at 19:40:50 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Saturday 17 October 2015 12:29:48 Michael Biebl wrote: > > > Am 17.10.2015 um 10:20 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: > > > > In Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > >> On

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-16 Thread Fredrik Jonson
Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Fredrik Jonson writes: > > What is the recommended way to enable Systemd user services with Debian? > [...] > The documentation for "loginctl enable-linger" says "If enabled for a > specific user, a user manager is spawned for the user at boot and

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-16 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 16.10.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: > If in doubt, do install this package. > > When debian developers tells me in their package documentation that I really > should not install their package, I tend to follow their advice. :) Did you maybe misread that as "If in doubt, do *not*

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

2015-10-16 Thread Fredrik Jonson
Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 16.10.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Fredrik Jonson: > > > If in doubt, do install this package. > > Did you maybe misread that as > "If in doubt, do *not* install this package". Yes I did. I don't know how many times I've read that sentence, and clearly saw a _not_ in