Re: Proton for Steam on Debian.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 8:11 PM Dominic Knight wrote: > Does anyone have any knowledge or experience of this to share. Or even > any thoughts on security which could be useful. > > https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/ > > Under the install for Linux section it says to set up a Debian machine > to run the software on as it requires latest drivers etc. Well, I have > one of them of course - running steam in a flatpak on Buster, but would > be interested to know about game compatabilty (most especially for > Phantom Doctrine if anyone has tried that) of Windows only games using > Steams Proton/Wine configuration. > It's hit or miss. Some games, particularly ones Loki ported over that id Software no longer support (everything id Software ever did that's still on Steam) or that were originally released on Linux and then the developer (such as Atari or Epic) later neglected past libc compatibility (such as UT 2004) work pretty smoothly from what I have in my library. Slightly sore about UT 2004's native Linux version dying of bitrot, I was about 300 hours in and one of the top ranked players in the world when that died...
Proton for Steam on Debian.
Does anyone have any knowledge or experience of this to share. Or even any thoughts on security which could be useful. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/ Under the install for Linux section it says to set up a Debian machine to run the software on as it requires latest drivers etc. Well, I have one of them of course - running steam in a flatpak on Buster, but would be interested to know about game compatabilty (most especially for Phantom Doctrine if anyone has tried that) of Windows only games using Steams Proton/Wine configuration. TIA Dom.
Re: Steam on Debian
Mark Allums writes: Thanks for your reply. I am a bit skeptical that many distributions will be officially supported. Certainly Ubuntu and direct derivatives, possibly Debian and direct derivatives, probably Fedora and some other RPM-based distros such as OpenSuSE. Slackware, Arch, and Gentoo are likely out of luck. Gentoo folks have developed their own guide already: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Steam -- Alberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sj5gbfsm@eps142.cdf.udc.es
Re: Steam on Debian
Am 30.01.2013 23:53, schrieb Mark Allums: Is there any (un)official Debian Steam client? Has anyone (but me) gotten the native Steam client running well in Debian? I had it running briefly through a great deal of manual labor, but I changed my configurations several times, and now I am prohibited from installing the Ubuntu .deb because of dependency issues (that involve binary incompatibility). Is there any word on the eventual ship date of such a thing as installing Steam, or any news at all concerning it and Debian? I had tried, I had many prublems with 32bit, because of I had running 64 bit debian. The whole apt-get system was down after trying to install it. on my ubuntu system it runs very good (64 bit too) regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/510a6c12.1010...@datensumpf.de
Re: Steam on Debian
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote: Is there any (un)official Debian Steam client? Has anyone (but me) gotten the native Steam client running well in Debian? I had it running briefly through a great deal of manual labor, but I changed my configurations several times, and now I am prohibited from installing the Ubuntu .deb because of dependency issues (that involve binary incompatibility). Is there any word on the eventual ship date of such a thing as installing Steam, or any news at all concerning it and Debian? It should be pretty easy now, if you have Sid. You need the new glibc from experimental. Then open of the newest Steam .deb and edit the control file to get rid of Ubuntu's epoch of 1 on PulseAudio. Repack, install, run Steam once to update, and then run it. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=88md9k4ho0_R7K9-wfDYswX9nMrekpTT=eD_30PY8W=q...@mail.gmail.com
RE: Steam on Debian
I tried and failed, but I didn't spend more than a couple of hours on it. I never managed to completely fix the dependency chain for getting the Ubuntu package to install cleanly. Do you have any tips that you can remember? What Debian release are you running? i386 or amd64? I doubt Steam will be expanding their distro support any time soon. Looks to me like they engaged Ubuntu some time ago to get the compiled in support they wanted. Regards Tom On 31 January 2013 00:53, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote: Is there any (un)official Debian Steam client? Has anyone (but me) gotten the native Steam client running well in Debian? I had it running briefly through a great deal of manual labor, but I changed my configurations several times, and now I am prohibited from installing the Ubuntu .deb because of dependency issues (that involve binary incompatibility). Is there any word on the eventual ship date of such a thing as installing Steam, or any news at all concerning it and Debian? ___ Please don't top post. The short answer is that I can't install Steam the way I did previously because of binary incompatibility with libc, et al. Ubuntu requires their version of libc and Debian requires its version. The Steam binaries require the Ubuntu version. I was asking whether there was a workaround or a private version of those libraries, and how best to approach it. That is, is there a procedure to follow, or an unofficial Debian .deb containing the Debianized version already packaged up by someone. Mark
Re: Steam on Debian
Mark Allums grabbed a keyboard and wrote: I tried and failed, but I didn't spend more than a couple of hours on it. I never managed to completely fix the dependency chain for getting the Ubuntu package to install cleanly. Do you have any tips that you can remember? What Debian release are you running? i386 or amd64? I doubt Steam will be expanding their distro support any time soon. Looks to me like they engaged Ubuntu some time ago to get the compiled in support they wanted. I have no idea who's being quoted here, but I think the first paragraph is someone other than Mark, and the bottom is Mark. Mark, PLEASE don't top-post, and please try to follow a (literally) decades-old established quote-and-reply convention with an attribute line at the top and and showing quotations (kinda like this message does :-) ). If you can't get Outlook to do it, perhaps you can switch to a mail program that makes it easier to follow those conventions? I use Thunderbird, myself, but there are plenty around that do the job nicely. I suspect that many of us reading this list will thank you. grin Anyway, on to my actual reply ;-) I don't know what kind of time-table they have set for themselves, but given Valve's increasing interest in the Linux market, I'd be willing to bet that once their open beta testing period is over with, they'll start expanding to other Linux distribution packaging systems, and may well even provide a method for installing software without a package manager (a'la tarball, etc.). I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of time. :-) --Dave signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Steam on Debian
Am 30.01.2013 23:53, schrieb Mark Allums: Is there any word on the eventual ship date of such a thing as installing Steam, or any news at all concerning it and Debian? From my point fo view you might want to check with folks behind Steam. It's complete non-free software within a beta-status. ... Cheers, Frank signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Steam on Debian
Dear Mark,
Mark Allums wrote:
Is there any (un)official Debian Steam client? Has anyone (but me) gotten
the native Steam client running well in Debian?
I am running it in an Ubuntu 12.04 schroot (set up with debootstrap),
which has the nice side-effect that I can use whatever X drivers I
want without fiddling with my otherwise Wheezy system.
Since I usually use a self-compiled kernel, I'm currently running
3.7. Granted, the startup process is a little tricky:
- start the chroot:
schroot -c ubuntu-1204
- start X inside the chroot:
startxfce4 -- :1 vt08
- plug keyboard and mouse back in so that they are recognised by
Ubuntus X.org
- start Steam
So far, this works nicely.
Pros:
- use the latest version of X fully supported Ubuntu
- be able to separate Steam from the rest of the system: When I first
tried to install it, it left a rather messy mud of libraries and
configuration files all over my $HOME.
- Switch easily between a full-screen game and my other X server
(CM-{7,8}).
Cons:
- Setup was not exactly straightforward, though that might have been
due to me learning how to use debootstrap, Ubuntu and schroot
on-the-fly.
- Needs a full Ubuntu installation:
4,3G/datapub/ubuntu_1204
- As noted above, I didn't get the second X to recognise my input
devices on startup.
If you are interested in specific details, feel free to ask, but I'd
rather not type down a complete guide now.
Best,
Claudius
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RE: Steam on Debian
From: David Guntner [mailto:dav...@akamail.net] Mark Allums grabbed a keyboard and wrote: I tried and failed, but I didn't spend more than a couple of hours on it. I never managed to completely fix the dependency chain for getting the Ubuntu package to install cleanly. Do you have any tips that you can remember? What Debian release are you running? i386 or amd64? I doubt Steam will be expanding their distro support any time soon. Looks to me like they engaged Ubuntu some time ago to get the compiled in support they wanted. I have no idea who's being quoted here, but I think the first paragraph is someone other than Mark, and the bottom is Mark. Mark, PLEASE don't top-post, and please try to follow a (literally) decades-old established quote-and-reply convention with an attribute line at the top and and showing quotations (kinda like this message does :-) ). If you can't get Outlook to do it, perhaps you can switch to a mail program that makes it easier to follow those conventions? I use Thunderbird, myself, but there are plenty around that do the job nicely. I suspect that many of us reading this list will thank you. grin You have it the wrong way around. In fact, none of that is me at all. I am generally aware of the quoting conventions. Anyway, on to my actual reply ;-) I don't know what kind of time-table they have set for themselves, but given Valve's increasing interest in the Linux market, I'd be willing to bet that once their open beta testing period is over with, they'll start expanding to other Linux distribution packaging systems, and may well even provide a method for installing software without a package manager (a'la tarball, etc.). I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of time. :-) --Dave Thanks for your reply. I am a bit skeptical that many distributions will be officially supported. Certainly Ubuntu and direct derivatives, possibly Debian and direct derivatives, probably Fedora and some other RPM-based distros such as OpenSuSE. Slackware, Arch, and Gentoo are likely out of luck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/006e01ce000c$c61ba0b0$5252e210$@allums.com
RE: Steam on Debian
From: Frank Lanitz [mailto:fr...@frank.uvena.de] Am 30.01.2013 23:53, schrieb Mark Allums: Is there any word on the eventual ship date of such a thing as installing Steam, or any news at all concerning it and Debian? From my point fo view you might want to check with folks behind Steam. It's complete non-free software within a beta-status. ... Cheers, Frank I'm certainly aware of its non-free status. That doesn't bother me at all. In the case of the Steam Client itself, it would be nice to have an open source version of it, but it won't bother most people to not have one. As for the individual games, I doubt Steam devotees will care one whit that the games are DRM'd, as long as they can play them whenever they want to. Steam will never be an official Debian package, but like Skype or Nvidia, its utility will outweigh its drawbacks in the minds of end-users. MArk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/007201ce000d$d2ce8dd0$786ba970$@allums.com
Re: Steam on Debian
Mark Allums grabbed a keyboard and wrote: You have it the wrong way around. In fact, none of that is me at all. I am generally aware of the quoting conventions. That is *very* weird then - because the message I was replying to at the time was From: your address. Oh well, beats me. :-) From: David Guntner [mailto:dav...@akamail.net] I don't know what kind of time-table they have set for themselves, but given Valve's increasing interest in the Linux market, I'd be willing to bet that once their open beta testing period is over with, they'll start expanding to other Linux distribution packaging systems, and may well even provide a method for installing software without a package manager (a'la tarball, etc.). I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of time. :-) Thanks for your reply. I am a bit skeptical that many distributions will be officially supported. Certainly Ubuntu and direct derivatives, possibly Debian and direct derivatives, probably Fedora and some other RPM-based distros such as OpenSuSE. Slackware, Arch, and Gentoo are likely out of luck. Given the number of Linux distributions out there, I have *yet* to see a company selling software that is packaged up to take advantage of every single one - they tend to go with the ones that have the larger user bases, such as Red Hat/Fedora, Debian/Ubuntu, etc. Even among a lot of free software packages, what I tend to see is that they either just tar it up and let you download that and place it where you want (Thunderbird, for example), or do a mixed offering with a binary package supporting .rpm .deb and then a tarball for everything that doesn't use those (BOINC comes to mind here as an example of that). For whatever reason, they've gone with Ubuntu on a packaged binary for their open beta test. Given the amount of noise that has been made by Valve about wanting to expand into the Linux world, it makes no sense that ultimately they wouldn't eventually provide more package types for more distributions, including possibly a non-package (tar) that can be installed for those OS distributions that they don't officially support. So yea, I expect that at *some* point, Valve will be offering a package for Debian and others, with possibly a tar that's not officially supported. To be honest, given the 800-pound gorilla in the playground status that Red Hat has, I'm surprised that if Valve is limiting to one platform while beta testing that they didn't pair up with Fedora, since that would give them a larger potential user base. :-) But that's just me. --Dave signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Steam on Debian
[Oops, accidentally sent this reply directly to Mark (sorry about that!). Resending to the list...] Mark Allums grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Thanks for your reply. I am a bit skeptical that many distributions will be officially supported. Certainly Ubuntu and direct derivatives, possibly Debian and direct derivatives, probably Fedora and some other RPM-based distros such as OpenSuSE. Slackware, Arch, and Gentoo are likely out of luck. Amusingly enough, I just stumbled upon the following page: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux In its section on Native Steam on Linux Beta Client, it lists openSUSE/SUSE, Gentoo, Fedora and Arch Linux. Now, I'm guessing it's an older page, given that it doesn't list Ubuntu except under the how to install it under Wine section. Go figure... :-) --Dave P.S. I just double checked, and at the bottom of the page, it indicates that it was last updated on 19 Jan 2013, so it's not *that* old. I think someone forgot to take into account the Ubuntu/Linux beta test :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Steam on Debian
Claudius Hubig wrote:
Dear Mark,
Mark Allums wrote:
Is there any (un)official Debian Steam client? Has anyone (but me) gotten
the native Steam client running well in Debian?
I am running it in an Ubuntu 12.04 schroot (set up with debootstrap),
which has the nice side-effect that I can use whatever X drivers I
want without fiddling with my otherwise Wheezy system.
Since I usually use a self-compiled kernel, I'm currently running
3.7. Granted, the startup process is a little tricky:
- start the chroot:
schroot -c ubuntu-1204
- start X inside the chroot:
startxfce4 -- :1 vt08
- plug keyboard and mouse back in so that they are recognised by
Ubuntus X.org
- start Steam
So far, this works nicely.
Pros:
- use the latest version of X fully supported Ubuntu
- be able to separate Steam from the rest of the system: When I first
tried to install it, it left a rather messy mud of libraries and
configuration files all over my $HOME.
- Switch easily between a full-screen game and my other X server
(CM-{7,8}).
Cons:
- Setup was not exactly straightforward, though that might have been
due to me learning how to use debootstrap, Ubuntu and schroot
on-the-fly.
- Needs a full Ubuntu installation:
4,3G/datapub/ubuntu_1204
- As noted above, I didn't get the second X to recognise my input
devices on startup.
If you are interested in specific details, feel free to ask, but I'd
rather not type down a complete guide now.
Claudius, At what point did you unplug keyboard + mouse?
Hugo
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RE: Steam on Debian [mostly SOLVED]
From: Renaud Casenave-Péré [mailto:ren...@casenave-pere.fr] Hi, You can follow this tutorial from Sam Hocevar (former DPL) : http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/846939071205530634/ Following this method, I got Steam partially running. The games that were previously loaded by my old install ran after phoning home to check the online DRM. So far so good. However, the launcher brings up ugly windows and a terminal and requires manual intervention to operate at all. Pros: Private copy of Steam installed in opt; no cluttering up the system with Ubuntu files. No chroot necessary. Cons: Not fixed up for Debian. Requires packages from Experimental be installed. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/008f01ce0032$ab8ecb70$02ac6250$@allums.com
RE: Steam on Debian
From: David Guntner [mailto:dav...@akamail.net] Mark Allums grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Thanks for your reply. I am a bit skeptical that many distributions will be officially supported. Certainly Ubuntu and direct derivatives, possibly Debian and direct derivatives, probably Fedora and some other RPM- based distros such as OpenSuSE. Slackware, Arch, and Gentoo are likely out of luck. Amusingly enough, I just stumbled upon the following page: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux In its section on Native Steam on Linux Beta Client, it lists openSUSE/SUSE, Gentoo, Fedora and Arch Linux. Now, I'm guessing it's an older page, given that it doesn't list Ubuntu except under the how to install it under Wine section. Go figure... :-) --Dave P.S. I just double checked, and at the bottom of the page, it indicates that it was last updated on 19 Jan 2013, so it's not *that* old. I think someone forgot to take into account the Ubuntu/Linux beta test :-) Go figure... :) What I wrote was speculation, no more. This might be better information. However, I was going with the odds. *Lots* of Fedora and Ubuntu users out there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/009601ce0033$da9ce310$8fd6a930$@allums.com
Re: Steam on Debian
On Jo, 31 ian 13, 22:40:35, Claudius Hubig wrote: - As noted above, I didn't get the second X to recognise my input devices on startup. Try bind-mounting /dev in the chroot. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Steam on Debian
Is there any (un)official Debian Steam client? Has anyone (but me) gotten the native Steam client running well in Debian? I had it running briefly through a great deal of manual labor, but I changed my configurations several times, and now I am prohibited from installing the Ubuntu .deb because of dependency issues (that involve binary incompatibility). Is there any word on the eventual ship date of such a thing as installing Steam, or any news at all concerning it and Debian? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/001c01cdff3c$a5429fe0$efc7dfa0$@allums.com
Re: Steam on Debian
Hi Mark I tried and failed, but I didn't spend more than a couple of hours on it. I never managed to completely fix the dependency chain for getting the Ubuntu package to install cleanly. Do you have any tips that you can remember? What Debian release are you running? i386 or amd64? I doubt Steam will be expanding their distro support any time soon. Looks to me like they engaged Ubuntu some time ago to get the compiled in support they wanted. Regards Tom On 31 January 2013 00:53, Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote: Is there any (un)official Debian Steam client? Has anyone (but me) gotten the native Steam client running well in Debian? I had it running briefly through a great deal of manual labor, but I changed my configurations several times, and now I am prohibited from installing the Ubuntu .deb because of dependency issues (that involve binary incompatibility). Is there any word on the eventual ship date of such a thing as installing Steam, or any news at all concerning it and Debian? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/001c01cdff3c$a5429fe0$efc7dfa0$@allums.com
Re: Steam on Debian
Hi, You can follow this tutorial from Sam Hocevar (former DPL) : http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/846939071205530634/ -- Renaud Casenave-Péré -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87halxvoq4@sandalphon.hinata3.co.jp
