Re: Stretch and network management

[Matthew Crews]

I think this is a NM issue. I was having difficulty connecting with a USB
adapter. Just to make sure it wasn't my adapter, I tried a few different
distros (using live CDs) that all used NM, and none of them could connect.
As soon as I install WICD, it works flawlessly even after reboot.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017, 18:20 tony mollica  wrote:

> I prefer to use NM over wicd but I have not sorted this out yet.  It
> just happens that wicd connects reliably even though it's display of
> information isn't quite right.  But, it connects and NM will not.  I
> tried Biebl's recommendation but it didn't help.  I will get back to
> this in a few days and try to sort it out.  I haven't seen anyone with a
> similar problem reply or even acknowledge there is a problem.  More
> replies=actual problem.  No replies=most likely my config.  We'll see.
>
> tony
>
> On 06/29/2017 12:29 PM, Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 29 Jun 2017 at 07:10:56 -0700, tony mollica wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >
> > [Snip]
> >
> >>   Now that I've gotten the network running,
> >
> > That is useful for you but less than useful for users who experience a
> > similar problem, Which part of Michael Biebl's response helped sort you
> > out? Or did it motivate you to look closer at what you were doing?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Stretch and network management

[tony mollica]

I prefer to use NM over wicd but I have not sorted this out yet.  It 
just happens that wicd connects reliably even though it's display of 
information isn't quite right.  But, it connects and NM will not.  I 
tried Biebl's recommendation but it didn't help.  I will get back to 
this in a few days and try to sort it out.  I haven't seen anyone with a 
similar problem reply or even acknowledge there is a problem.  More 
replies=actual problem.  No replies=most likely my config.  We'll see.


tony

On 06/29/2017 12:29 PM, Brian wrote:

On Thu 29 Jun 2017 at 07:10:56 -0700, tony mollica wrote:





[Snip]


  Now that I've gotten the network running,


That is useful for you but less than useful for users who experience a
similar problem, Which part of Michael Biebl's response helped sort you
out? Or did it motivate you to look closer at what you were doing?

Re: Stretch and network management

[Brian]

On Thu 29 Jun 2017 at 07:10:56 -0700, tony mollica wrote:

> 

[Snip]

>   Now that I've gotten the network running,

That is useful for you but less than useful for users who experience a
similar problem, Which part of Michael Biebl's response helped sort you
out? Or did it motivate you to look closer at what you were doing?

Re: Stretch and network management

[tony mollica]

  
  
Thanks, I'll try that but it
won't be for a few days.
  
  Now that I've gotten the network running,
although not the way I'd like it, I have some work to do
after two days of recovering from and
  'upgrade'.
  Didn't realize that v9 was released,
didn't change the sources.list (my
  fault) and ran an upgrade that
trashed almost everything before
  I realized what
  was wrong.  Old system unuseable, new v9 is nice but has
some issues, at least
  with my install.  A
couple more messages to the list are
in progress.

thanks,
tony
  
On 06/28/2017 05:24 PM, Michael Biebl
  wrote:


  Am 28.06.2017 um 23:19 schrieb tony mollica:

  
Networkmanager out, wicdin.

I purge both of these from the system an installed them one at a time,
network-manager first.  It always connects to the wired interface but
won't act reliably with the wireless connection.  I tried every which
way but get either  a 'not managed' or 'not 'available' note in NMno
matter what I put in the config files, or not.  No difference when using
'managed= TRUE or FALSE , or any other entries for that matter.  unreliable.

  
  
Could you try adding the following to
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf:

[device]
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no

Also make sure the wifi device is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces.

Does that help?





  

Re: Stretch and network management

[Michael Biebl]

Am 28.06.2017 um 23:19 schrieb tony mollica:
> Networkmanager out, wicdin.
> 
> I purge both of these from the system an installed them one at a time,
> network-manager first.  It always connects to the wired interface but
> won't act reliably with the wireless connection.  I tried every which
> way but get either  a 'not managed' or 'not 'available' note in NMno
> matter what I put in the config files, or not.  No difference when using
> 'managed= TRUE or FALSE , or any other entries for that matter.  unreliable.

Could you try adding the following to
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf:

[device]
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no

Also make sure the wifi device is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces.

Does that help?


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Re: Stretch and network management

[tony mollica]

  
  
Networkmanager out, wicd in.
  
  I purge both of these
  from the system an installed them one at a time,
  network-manager first.  It always
connects to the wired interface but won't act reliably
with the wireless connection.  I
  tried every which way but get either  a 'not
managed' or 'not 'available' note in NM no matter
what I put in the config files, or not.  No
difference when using 'managed= TRUE or FALSE , or any other entries for that matter.  unreliable.
  
  Wicd works and connects
first time up after an install and
reboot but even so, some of the display
information is not reliable. 
  It connects to my
wifi but there
  is no listing for it in the panel,
  as well as no other wifi networks
  are listed either.  Just a bit
  more problems and I'll
  just make
it a manual installation or
run another
  cable
to bypass the entire
issue.

Bottom
line is there is
something amiss with
network
  interaction with
  both of these
  tools with the
  change from jessie
to stretch.

tjm
  
On 06/28/2017 11:18 AM, Brian wrote:


  On Tue 27 Jun 2017 at 17:45:36 -0700, tony mollica wrote:

[No quoted text from me. The html guff is just deleted].

n-m worked for ethernet when you first rebooted. Now you have to ask
youself why it did not work for wireless when it is normally so reliable.
I'd go back to the pristine state without wicd on the machine and try
again. Maybe purge n-m and reinstall. But that sounds a bit drastic.





  

Re: Stretch and network management

[Brian]

On Tue 27 Jun 2017 at 17:45:36 -0700, tony mollica wrote:

[No quoted text from me. The html guff is just deleted].

n-m worked for ethernet when you first rebooted. Now you have to ask
youself why it did not work for wireless when it is normally so reliable.
I'd go back to the pristine state without wicd on the machine and try
again. Maybe purge n-m and reinstall. But that sounds a bit drastic.

Re: Stretch and network management

[Fungi4All]

> UTC Time: June 28, 2017 12:45 AM
> From: t...@threedogs.net
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Hello.
>
> Can anyone provide insight as to why my usb wifi Netgear WNDA4100 (rt3573) 
> won't connect or show up in NetworkManager(applet) but will be managed 
> normally with the Wicd Network Manager? This is a brand new, clean install of 
> Stretch and it doesn't appear to matter whether both management progs are 
> operating at the same time or separately. Wicd always works and 
> NetworkManager won't. I liked the control I had with NM working with v8 but 
> no such luck with v9.
>
> Any suggestions on what to look for that may be keeping this interface 
> hidden? Show up normally but not connected with ifconfig/iwconfig.
>
> thanks,
> tony

I don't know what update caused this, I have been running stretch for a while, 
but a couple of days ago I logged in a debian
installation and wifi was off. Connman could not get any action. When I used 
wicd the wifi was turned off, even though right before the last shutdown it was 
connected and I did nothing to any related settings. I turned it on and 
everything worked again.
I wouldn't have made a big deal about it till I read this message.

Stretch and network management

[tony mollica]

  
  
Hello.
  
  Can anyone provide insight
  as to why my usb wifi Netgear WNDA4100
(rt3573) won't connect or show up in NetworkManager(applet)
  but will be managed normally with the Wicd Network
  Manager?  This is a brand new,
clean install of Stretch and it doesn't appear to matter whether
both management progs are operating at the same
time or separately.  Wicd
  always works and NetworkManager won't.  I
  liked the control I had with NM working with v8 but
  no such luck with v9.
  
  Any suggestions on what
  to look for
that may be keeping this
interface hidden?  Show up
normally but not connected with
ifconfig/iwconfig.

thanks,
  tony