subject:"Two Lenny problems"

Stephen,
Just finished installing Lenny on my Fujitsu which has on-board sound;
alsamixer says: PCM (100), Surround (MM), Center (MM), LFE (MM), Side
(MM), IEC958 (MM), IEC958D (00), PC Speak (100); Sound Preferences, in
the Sound Capture section, has a test sound choice which produced a
tone!; I opened up Epiphany to YouTube, made a selection and it played!
Sound works!!  The lack of a PCM on the Dell seems to be the critical
error, as you said.  The lspci output has the audio controller as an
Intel 82801FB and a multimedia controller as Phillips SAA7134/SAA7135HL
Video Broadcast Decoder.  My brother will get another sound card soon
and I will try the Dell again just to see what difference it makes.  And
Epiphany didn't hang when directed to hp.com or debian.org.


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Re: Two Lenny problems

Tony,
 
 Modern kernels use SCSI emulation for ATA and are restricted to 16 
 partitions per drive, so don't go wild here.  (LVM is not affected.)  
 The reduced limit has been a problem for some Fedora users.

But the Dell has SATA, does that make a difference in the number of
partitions?


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Re: Two Lenny problems

Tony,
 
 Modern kernels use SCSI emulation for ATA and are restricted to 16 
 partitions per drive, so don't go wild here.  (LVM is not affected.)  
 The reduced limit has been a problem for some Fedora users.

The drive on the Dimension 8400 is a SATA, does that make a difference
in the number of partitions?


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Re: Two Lenny problems

Tony,
You said there was an ATA limit of 16 partitons on Lenny, but the HD on
the Dimension 8400 is a SATA.  Does that make a difference?


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Re: Two Lenny problems

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:16:01 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
I was going to suggest trying a different sound card on your existing
system. But it's your call.

That is a good idea. I'll look to see what I have. Am I right to assume
that the installation will have to be repeated in order to get the sound
card recognized and configured?

Probably not. Do a clean shutdown and power-off, remove the old sound card,
insert the new sound card, power-on, boot Lenny, login as root, then run

dpkg-reconfigure -plow alsa-base alsa-utils

Then shutdown and reboot.
That should do it. You might not even have to run dpkg-reconfigure, but
run it anyway just for good measure. One thing you don't want to do is
to insert a sound card that uses the same driver as the sound chip on the
motherboard. The driver is still blacklisted.

Stephen Powell wrote:
You know, it could just be that something went wrong with the original
installation. Remember, you had hangs in epiphany-browser and iceweasel.
I've never seen that before.

Yeah, but Opera has had delays, but not nearly as long as Epiphany or
Iceweasel, so it is hard to tell what the problem may be. And every time
I change the To from your address to the debian-user address, I get
multiple syntax errors from Opera (for that message and every one sent or
received afterwards) which I never got before; and I have never succeeded
in downloading YouTube videos here that were no problem in Pennsylvania,
so it is possible that the internet connection has something to do with it.

Just out of curiosity, where is here. In other words, where are you
physically located? And what type of internet connectivity do you have?
async dial-up? cable modem? DSL?

Stephen Powell wrote:
Most Windows installations I've seen have one big C drive which
takes up the whole hard disk, leaving no room for installing anything
else.

It has been years and years since I last had one, big C drive for a
Windows installation. Mainly due to virus considerations. For about the
last ten years or so my usual protocol is to divide the disk into at least
three partitions (OS, Swap/Temp, Programs), but usually at least five
partitions. I have been able to clear trojan virus problems by deleting
the OS partition only (which saves all my personal info and driver files),
and the separate Swap/Temp partition eliminates a lot of the fragmentation
of the C drive. The multiple partitions of Debian is one of the
features that first attracted me to the OS. Oh! and multiple partitions
makes disk maintenance so much easier.

Well, whether it is one partition or multiple partitions, the point is that
the Debian installer has the ability to shrink down and move existing
partitions, making room to install Linux without wiping Windows. Of course,
I should issue the standard disclaimer that you should back up your hard
drive, just in case. A software bug or a power failure during the shrink
or move operation could trash the partition. But the worst case scenario
is no worse than if you had wiped Windows and started all over. I'm pretty
sure that you are still limited to a maximum of four partitions (four primary
or three primary and one extended). But the extended partition can have
multiple logical drives, and you can install pieces of Linux in both primary
partitions and logical drives.

Stephen Powell wrote:
In that case, you might want to try buying a computer with Debian
pre-installed. See http://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed.
This list is probably not exhaustive or up-to-date but will give
you a good start.

I have looked several times at ready-to-use Debian systems but I have
never had money to spare for computers and I still don't. The only reason
I ever got into them in the first place is because my brother, as a
professional engineer, wanted a 386 machine to run AutoCAD instead of his
8088, so I bought the 8088 from him as a favor. I did pay $20 for a Mac
G4 once, but that is it. All the rest have been hand-me-downs or salvaged.

I hear you. I have one hand-me-down machine and several bought used.
None are new. None of my monitors are new either. They all all throw-aways
or give-aways. (All are CRTs, none are LCDs.)

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Re: Two Lenny problems


Stephen,

Just out of curiosity, where is here.  In other words, where are you
physically located?  And what type of internet connectivity do you have?
async dial-up?  cable modem?  DSL?


Here is Vancouver, Washington with a DSL connection through a router/hub  
with Qwest.  In PA I had FiOS with Verizon.



pretty
sure that you are still limited to a maximum of four partitions (four  
primary

or three primary and one extended).  But the extended partition can have
multiple logical drives, and you can install pieces of Linux in both  
primary

partitions and logical drives.


Yes, Windows only allows one primary partition, Debian Linux three  
(counting the Swap partition), any other partition has to be an extended,  
and it can be divided into no more logical partitions than the letters in  
the alphabet (minus the default A: and B: for the floppy drives).  Windows  
7 Ultimate will only create four partitions (one primary) and  
automatically creates a 100MB partition for necessary system files.  In  
my instance, that 100MB partition was always D: with C: as the first.  I  
finally resorted to a German version of Windows XP Multimedia Center 2005  
to create more partitions to divide the 1.5TB HD being used.


I will have to buy another sound card as every other machine I have has  
on-board sound chips.  Or see if anyone I know has a spare sound card.




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Re: Two Lenny problems

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:44:29 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
 I will have to buy another sound card as every other machine I have has  
 on-board sound chips.  Or see if anyone I know has a spare sound card.

In that case, are you sure I can't talk you into trying a newer kernel from
backports?  Granted, your sound card is old enough to be supported by the
2.6.26 kernel that is standard with Lenny, but that doesn't mean that there
isn't a bug somewhere.  I've seen a couple of other no sound threads since
you opened yours.  Maybe a security update broke something, who knows?
Anyway, if you try a new kernel and it doesn't work for you, it's easy
enough to switch back.

Or you can try installing Linux on one of those other machines, with or
without wiping Windows.

Or you can break down, crack that wallet open,
and buy a sound card, not knowing if it will work either.  If you buy one,
buy an old one that isn't driven by the driver that doesn't work for your
sound card or the blacklisted one.


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Re: Two Lenny problems


Stephen,
In that case, are you sure I can't talk you into trying a newer kernel  
from backports?  Granted, your sound card is old enough to be supported  
by the
2.6.26 kernel that is standard with Lenny, but that doesn't mean that  
there isn't a bug somewhere.  I've seen a couple of other no sound  
threads since you opened yours.  Maybe a security update broke  
something, who knows?  Anyway, if you try a new kernel and it doesn't  
work for you, it's easy

enough to switch back.
Sure, you can talk me into it, if you will also talk me through it.  It is  
another procedure that is completely new to me.


Or you can try installing Linux on one of those other machines, with or  
without wiping Windows.
I found out that another machine does have SATA controllers, so it would  
be the obvious choice for just swapping the HD out of the Dimension 8400.   
Does that make sense?


Or you can break down, crack that wallet open, and buy a sound card, not  
knowing if it will work either.  If you buy one, buy an old one that  
isn't driven by the driver that doesn't work for your sound card or the  
blacklisted one.
Already found someone who has a bedroom full of salvaged computer parts.   
My brother will see if he has one or two sound cards.




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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-01 Thread John Hasler

Cecil Knutson writes:
 Debian Linux three (counting the Swap partition), any other partition
 has to be an extended...

The standard pc partition scheme allows either four primary partitions
or three primaries and one extended.  This limitation is imposed by the
scheme, not by Windows or Linux.  An extended partition can contain any
number of logical partitions but Linux can only address a total of 63
partitions.
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Re: Two Lenny problems

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:31:38 -0500 (EST), John Hasler wrote:
 Cecil Knutson writes:
 Debian Linux three (counting the Swap partition), any other partition
 has to be an extended...
 
 The standard pc partition scheme allows either four primary partitions
 or three primaries and one extended.  This limitation is imposed by the
 scheme, not by Windows or Linux.  An extended partition can contain any
 number of logical partitions but Linux can only address a total of 63
 partitions.

I think what Cecil meant was that fdisk under Windows only allows one
primary partition to be created, although I am not in a position to
verify that; and because of the drive letter assignment scheme, a
maximum of 24 logical drives in an extended partition can be addressed
by Windows (C-Z), with A and B being reserved for floppy drives.
Linux fdisk (or cfdisk, or sfdisk, or GNU parted) can create up to
four primary partitions or three primary partitions and one extended
partition.


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Re: Two Lenny problems


John,

The standard pc partition scheme allows either four primary partitions
or three primaries and one extended.  This limitation is imposed by the
scheme, not by Windows or Linux.  An extended partition can contain any
number of logical partitions but Linux can only address a total of 63
partitions.
Stephen is right: I have run fdisk for years on innumerable computers and  
never saw provision for the creation of more than one primary partition.   
So I am speaking of experience with probably the only partitioner in  
common usage.  I have used and am familiar with Partition Magic, so I know  
there are other schemes available, but we were addressing the capabilities  
of the partitioners used in the Windows installation CD/DVD and the Lenny  
CD/DVDs.  Besides that, how would the partitions beyond 23 be addressed by  
any Windows or Linux machine, especially if you have several USB drive  
ports and one or more CD/DVD drives?  And what system would anyone have  
that could handle more than 26 drives?  Wow! just think of having 63 1.5TB  
drives!  Oooola.



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Re: Two Lenny problems

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:38:41 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
In that case, are you sure I can't talk you into trying a newer kernel
from backports?

Sure, you can talk me into it, if you will also talk me through it. It is
another procedure that is completely new to me.

A similar procedure is covered on my web site,
http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm. On that web page, I talk about
installing the Adobe Flash Player from backports.org. It's under the
heading Web Browsing. Follow the procedure for installing
flashplugin-nonfree, except that the package name will change from
flashplugin-nonfree to the name of the kernel you want to install. I'm sorry,
but I don't remember if you have a 32-bit machine or a 64-bit machine.
I'm guessing that you have a 32-bit machine and that your kernel version
is 2.6.26-2-686. (You can verify that by issuing the command
uname -r.) If that is the case, the equivalent package name you want from
backports is linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.2-686. Substitute that name instead
of flashplugin-nonfree in the aptitude -t lenny-backports install ... command.
Start the procedure with the second paragraph under Web Browsing, which
starts with The final compromise

Stephen Powell wrote:
Or you can try installing Linux on one of those other machines, with or
without wiping Windows.

I found out that another machine does have SATA controllers, so it would
be the obvious choice for just swapping the HD out of the Dimension 8400.
Does that make sense?

Yes, but if you install the hard drive in another machine I would recommend
a re-install from scratch, with a format of the Linux partitions.
Too many things are changing at once. Also, there is sometimes a hidden
partition on the hard drive with machine-specific stuff on it. You might
check your hardware documentation to see if there is a special procedure
for replacing the hard drive that involves copying a system partition or
something like that.

Stephen Powell wrote:
Or you can break down, crack that wallet open, and buy a sound card, not
knowing if it will work either. If you buy one, buy an old one that
isn't driven by the driver that doesn't work for your sound card or the
blacklisted one.

Already found someone who has a bedroom full of salvaged computer parts.
My brother will see if he has one or two sound cards.

That's an option too. So you have a decision to make.

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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-03-01 Thread John Hasler

Cecil Knutson writes:
 I have run fdisk for years on innumerable computers and never saw
 provision for the creation of more than one primary partition.  So I
 am speaking of experience with probably the only partitioner in common
 usage.  I have used and am familiar with Partition Magic, so I know
 there are other schemes available, but we were addressing the
 capabilities of the partitioners used in the Windows installation
 CD/DVD and the Lenny CD/DVDs.

I have been installing Debian with multiple primary partitions since
Buzz.

 Besides that, how would the partitions beyond 23 be addressed by any
 ... Linux machine, 

Partitions are numbered.

 ...especially if you have several USB drive ports and one or more
 CD/DVD drives?  And what system would anyone have that could handle
 more than 26 drives?  Wow! just think of having 63 1.5TB drives!

You confound partitions and drives.  A partition is a subdivision of a
drive.
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Re: Two Lenny problems


John,

I have been installing Debian with multiple primary partitions since
Buzz.
It was never a question of Debian creating more than one primary  
partition.  I've known that since Potato.



Besides that, how would the partitions beyond 23 be addressed by any
... Linux machine,


Partitions are numbered.

Cool.  But how are the mount points handled with that many partitions?


You confound partitions and drives.  A partition is a subdivision of a
drive.
No, I am fully aware of the difference, have been for years, just getting  
off on the thought of having that many drives in one box, and the news  
that Linux can address 63 partitions.  I haven't seen any MB's with that  
many controllers but the future is not here yet.  63! I may just have to  
try the HD in the Dimension 8400 in the Fujitsu machine I have to see if  
Lenny will configure all its components, including the on-board sound  
chip.  If it works, I would be tempted to put Lenny on the 1.5TB drive  
instead of the 160GB drive it is on now.



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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-28 Thread Andrei Popescu

On Sat,27.Feb.10, 20:16:01, Cecil Knutson wrote:
 Stephen,
 I was going to suggest trying a different sound card on your existing
 system.  But it's your call.
 
 That is a good idea.  I'll look to see what I have.  Am I right to
 assume that the installation will have to be repeated in order to
 get the sound card recognized and configured?
 
Definitely not! But to keep things simple just remove the other card, 
plug in the new one and (with a little bit of luck) it should just work.

[...]

 The multiple partitions of Debian is one of the features that first
 attracted me to the OS.  Oh! and multiple partitions makes disk
 maintenance so much easier.

It makes planning more complicated, not something I would recommend to 
beginners. But keeping /home on a separate partition is (almost) always 
a good idea.

[...]

 But each installation failed to give a suitable screen to the X
 server, even though I gave the same H-Freq, V-Freq, resolution,
 monitor data, etc.  And I tried several edits of the X-server
 configuration file, even copying from the config file that is
 created by the X-server test command.

This shouldn't be necessary anymore unless you have a really old 
monitor.

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-27 Thread Lisi

On Saturday 27 February 2010 06:33:51 Cecil Knutson wrote:
[snipped lengthy reply with no context]

Cecil - could you possibly start interleaving or even bottom posting (after 
suitsble culling) your replies?  This is a very busy list and I have 
difficulty following this thread.

Thanks
Lisi


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-27 Thread Stephen Powell

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:33:51 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
 I get silence when trying to  play a .wav file with aplay.  No error  
 messages, just says Playing WAVE 'Track1.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little  
 Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo

Rats.  I was hoping you'd get an error message that might give us
a clue.

 The sound card is, without doubt, older  
 than 2008.  I've had the system for at least two years myself and Dell  
 support says the system shipped in 2004.

OK.

 It is no honor to me to have stumped you.  And Florian.  Another mystery  
 with respect to Debian.  I have been trying to supplant Windows since  
 getting Debian Potato, but there is some discrepancy with every  
 installation of Debian I have done that renders it less capable than  
 Windows.  Some really weird ones, too.  All I am willing to do right now  
 is to try another installation on a completely different system.

I was going to suggest trying a different sound card on your existing
system.  But it's your call.

I have a couple of Dell systems too.  One is a Dell Optiplex GX400
running Squeeze.  It has sound built-in to the motherboard.  alsamixer
reports the card as Intel 82801BA-ICH2 and the chip as Analog Devices
AD1885.  Sound works fine on it.  GNOME Startup and Shutdown sounds
don't work, but that's a known bug.  They finally got rid of the ESD in
Squeeze, but that was a major change and disabling startup and shutdown
sounds is a workaround for a bug that hasn't been fixed yet.  Once
started, GNOME system sounds works fine, although it requires some
configuration.

The other system is a Dell Dimension 4400 with a separate sound card.
It runs Lenny.  alsamixer reports the card as SBLive! Value [CT4780]
and the chip as TriTech TR28602.  Sound works perfectly, including
GNOME system sounds.

 I am not  
 comfortable with trying Squeeze, thank you.  It seems futile after getting  
 sound out of Ubuntu 9.10, which has a good driver base and a recent  
 kernel.

You know, it could just be that something went wrong with the original
installation.  Remember, you had hangs in epiphany-browser and iceweasel.
I've never seen that before.

 Do you foresee any gross problems with transferring the HD from  
 this system to another system and repeating the installation procedure? (I  
 do!! I just remembered that the HD in this system is SATA and all my other  
 systems are PATA.)

I guess you answered your own question there.

 I'm tired of wiping Windows installations for no good  
 reason.

Unless you don't have enough space on the hard disk for both,
you don't need to wipe Windows.  (Wipe Windows.  Cute metaphor.  :-) )

Most Windows installations I've seen have one big C drive which
takes up the whole hard disk, leaving no room for installing anything
else.  But that C drive is mostly free space.  During installation
you can shrink down the size of that partition to make room for Linux.
That's what I did on the Dell Dimension 4400.  I wish I had wiped Windows
now, but I didn't.  The Debian installer has support for this.  Run
the installer in expert mode and choose manual partitioning.  Select
the existing partition and then select Resize partition.  Not all
file systems are supported by the Debian installer for resizing.
But I do know that FAT16, FAT32, and NTFS are supported.

 I had an older Dell system on which Sarge installed with no  
 problems whatsoever, and I was s pleased.  Then the HD died and I  
 replaced it with another, reinstalled Sarge and could never get another  
 desktop.  From just changing the HD?  Give me a break, please.

That is strange.  It makes me wonder if you made a mistake during
installation.  But I guess we'll never know.

 It is  
 obvious to me that I am going to have to dig into Debian just as I have  
 done with Windows and DOS.  That is unfortunate because I have gotten to  
 the point with computers now that I just want them to work, I don't want  
 to fix them any more.  I have been repairing systems for over twenty  
 years, and the fun is gone.  Now it is just frustrating as hell to get new  
 technology that isn't any more capable, stable nor secure (in my  
 experience) than the old.  Feces!!  Many thanks, again.

In that case, you might want to try buying a computer with Debian
pre-installed.  See http://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed.
This list is probably not exhaustive or up-to-date but will give
you a good start.


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-27 Thread Cecil Knutson


Stephen,

I was going to suggest trying a different sound card on your existing
system.  But it's your call.


That is a good idea.  I'll look to see what I have.  Am I right to assume  
that the installation will have to be repeated in order to get the sound  
card recognized and configured?



You know, it could just be that something went wrong with the original
installation.  Remember, you had hangs in epiphany-browser and iceweasel.
I've never seen that before.


Yeah, but Opera has had delays, but not nearly as long as Epiphany or  
Iceweasel, so it is hard to tell what the problem may be.  And every time  
I change the To from your address to the debian-user address, I get  
multiple syntax errors from Opera (for that message and every one sent or  
received afterwards) which I never got before; and I have never succeeded  
in downloading YouTube videos here that were no problem in Pennsylvania,  
so it is possible that the internet connection has something to do with it.



Most Windows installations I've seen have one big C drive which
takes up the whole hard disk, leaving no room for installing anything
else.


It has been years and years since I last had one, big C drive for a  
Windows installation.  Mainly due to virus considerations.  For about the  
last ten years or so my usual protocol is to divide the disk into at least  
three partitions (OS, Swap/Temp, Programs), but usually at least five  
partitions.  I have been able to clear trojan virus problems by deleting  
the OS partition only (which saves all my personal info and driver files),  
and the separate Swap/Temp partition eliminates a lot of the fragmentation  
of the C drive.  The multiple partitions of Debian is one of the  
features that first attracted me to the OS.  Oh! and multiple partitions  
makes disk maintenance so much easier.



That is strange.  It makes me wonder if you made a mistake during
installation.  But I guess we'll never know.


I made copious notes for every Debian installation that was done.  Even to  
the point of recording the screen prompts and my responses on a separate  
laptop.  And I followed my notes scrupulously during the re-installation.   
And it was done more than once, believe me.  But each installation failed  
to give a suitable screen to the X server, even though I gave the same  
H-Freq, V-Freq, resolution, monitor data, etc.  And I tried several edits  
of the X-server configuration file, even copying from the config file that  
is created by the X-server test command.



In that case, you might want to try buying a computer with Debian
pre-installed.  See http://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed.
This list is probably not exhaustive or up-to-date but will give
you a good start.


I have looked several times at ready-to-use Debian systems but I have  
never had money to spare for computers and I still don't.  The only reason  
I ever got into them in the first place is because my brother, as a  
professional engineer, wanted a 386 machine to run AutoCAD instead of his  
8088, so I bought the 8088 from him as a favor.  I did pay $20 for a Mac  
G4 once, but that is it.  All the rest have been hand-me-downs or salvaged.



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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-27 Thread Cecil Knutson


Lisi,
	Sorry, again.  I haven't much experience with the list, so I don't know  
what courtesies are expected.  I hope you have seen that Stephen, Florian,  
and I were not able to resolve the sound problem in spite of the massive  
help Stephen gave.  I think I will try Stephen's suggestion to swap sound  
cards and see what difference that makes.



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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-26 Thread Cecil Knutson


Florian,
	Sorry it took so long for me to realize I did not respond to your last  
email.  Here are the outputs of amixer and aplay.

dimension8400:/home/cecil# amixer
Simple mixer control 'Line in',0
  Capabilities: cvolume
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 255
  Front Left: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB]
  Front Right: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
  Capabilities: cvolume
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 255
  Front Left: Capture 0 [0%] [-9.99dB]
  Front Right: Capture 0 [0%] [-9.99dB]
Simple mixer control 'Phone',0
  Capabilities: cvolume
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 255
  Front Left: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB]
  Front Right: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
  Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Mono: Playback [on]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Center/LFE',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Front',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Rear',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Unknown',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 247 [97%] [10.00dB]
  Front Right: Playback 247 [97%] [10.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Aux',0
  Capabilities: cvolume
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Capture 0 - 255
  Front Left: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB]
  Front Right: Capture 207 [81%] [0.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Analog Center/LFE',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Analog Front',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Analog Rear',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Analog Side',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Analog Source',0
  Capabilities: cenum
  Items: 'Phone' 'Mic' 'Line in' 'Aux'
  Item0: 'Line in'
Simple mixer control 'CAPTURE feedback',0
  Capabilities: pvolume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: Playback 0 - 255
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
  Front Right: Playback 255 [100%] [12.00dB]
Simple mixer control 'Digital Source',0
  Capabilities: cenum
  Items: 'IEC958 out' 'i2s mixer out' 'IEC958 in' 'i2s in' 'AC97 in' 'SRC  
out'

  Item0: 'i2s in'
Simple mixer control 'Shared Mic/Line in',0
  Capabilities: cenum
  Items: 'Line in' 'Mic in'
  Item0: 'Line in'


dimension8400:/home/cecil# aplay -l
 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: CA0106 [CA0106], device 0: ca0106 [CA0106]
  Subdevices: 0/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: CA0106 [CA0106], device 1: ca0106 [CA0106]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: CA0106 [CA0106], device 2: ca0106 [CA0106]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: CA0106 [CA0106], device 3: ca0106 [CA0106]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-26 Thread Stephen Powell

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:55:27 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
 aptitude was updated; the alsa-firmware-loaders installed; dpkg  
 reconfigured alsa base and alsa utils; no PCM in alsamixer.  
 ...  
 What would you suggest doing now?

I'm afraid I'm stumped, Cecil.  I've never seen this before.
Every sound chip I've ever used had a PCM device in alsamixer.
What happens when you try to play a .wav file using the aplay
command?  Do you get any error messages?

At this point, the only thing I can suggest is to install Squeeze
instead of Lenny and hope that the problem is fixed with newer
drivers.  Lenny is getting a bit long in the tooth.  It was
frozen in August of 2008.  But then again, if your sound card
is significantly older than that ...

Maybe someone else on the list has some more ideas.  I've
run out.  Sorry I couldn't help you.


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-26 Thread Andrei Popescu

On Fri,26.Feb.10, 06:16:35, Stephen Powell wrote:
 On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:55:27 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
  aptitude was updated; the alsa-firmware-loaders installed; dpkg  
  reconfigured alsa base and alsa utils; no PCM in alsamixer.  
  ...  
  What would you suggest doing now?
 
 I'm afraid I'm stumped, Cecil.  I've never seen this before.
 Every sound chip I've ever used had a PCM device in alsamixer.
 What happens when you try to play a .wav file using the aplay
 command?  Do you get any error messages?
 
 At this point, the only thing I can suggest is to install Squeeze
 instead of Lenny and hope that the problem is fixed with newer
 drivers.  Lenny is getting a bit long in the tooth.  It was
 frozen in August of 2008.  But then again, if your sound card
 is significantly older than that ...
 
 Maybe someone else on the list has some more ideas.  I've
 run out.  Sorry I couldn't help you.

I would suggest installing the backports kernel before upgrading to 
squeeze. See http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions

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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-26 Thread Stephen Powell

On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:32:35 -0500 (EST), Andrei Popescu wrote:
 
 I would suggest installing the backports kernel before upgrading to 
 squeeze. See http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions

Good idea.  That's less radical.


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-26 Thread Florian Kulzer

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:17:09 -0800, Cecil Knutson wrote:
 Florian,
   Sorry it took so long for me to realize I did not respond to your
 last email.

No problem, I was pretty busy with work anyway. You have covered a lot
of ground with Stephen Powell in the meantime, and I do not have too
many things to add to that. I never had a soundblaster card myself; all
I post here is based on general ALSA knowledge and educated guesses.

  Here are the outputs of amixer and aplay.
 dimension8400:/home/cecil# amixer

[ output edited ]

 Simple mixer control 'Line in',0
 Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
 Simple mixer control 'Phone',0
 Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
 Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Center/LFE',0
 Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Front',0
 Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Rear',0
 Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Unknown',0
 Simple mixer control 'Aux',0
 Simple mixer control 'Analog Center/LFE',0
 Simple mixer control 'Analog Front',0
 Simple mixer control 'Analog Rear',0
 Simple mixer control 'Analog Side',0
 Simple mixer control 'Analog Source',0
   Capabilities: cenum
   Items: 'Phone' 'Mic' 'Line in' 'Aux'
   Item0: 'Line in'
 Simple mixer control 'CAPTURE feedback',0
 Simple mixer control 'Digital Source',0
   Capabilities: cenum
   Items: 'IEC958 out' 'i2s mixer out' 'IEC958 in' 'i2s in' 'AC97 in'
 'SRC out'
   Item0: 'i2s in'
 Simple mixer control 'Shared Mic/Line in',0
   Capabilities: cenum
   Items: 'Line in' 'Mic in'
   Item0: 'Line in'

I googled around a bit and I have seen reports that do not show a PCM
channel in asound.state for another soundblaster card (scroll to the
bottom of the page):

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/alsa-not-working-for-creative-sound-blaster-live-24-bit-sound-card-355129/

There is a relatively recent ubuntu bug report about snd-ca0106:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/361423

My problem is that I do not know what Analog Source, Digital Source
and Shared Mic/Line in are supposed to do. You could try different
settings with these controls and also to turn turn down or mute all the
IEC958 controls (if you have not done this already.) I would also try to
turn CAPTURE feedback down. ALSA controls can have somewhat counter-
intuitive effects and interactions at times, so one has to test many
combinations of settings.

Apart from that I can only echo what Stephen and Andrei have suggested:
Try a newer version of ALSA with a back-ported kernel or by checking
with Squeeze. It might be helpful to know if the most recent Knoppix
live CD can get the sound going.

The other thing you can do is search for message related to the sound
module, by running

  dmesg | grep -Ei 'ca0106|ac97'

right after you have booted the system.

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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-26 Thread Cecil Knutson


Stephen,
	I get silence when trying to  play a .wav file with aplay.  No error  
messages, just says Playing WAVE 'Track1.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little  
Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo  The sound card is, without doubt, older  
than 2008.  I've had the system for at least two years myself and Dell  
support says the system shipped in 2004.
	It is no honor to me to have stumped you.  And Florian.  Another mystery  
with respect to Debian.  I have been trying to supplant Windows since  
getting Debian Potato, but there is some discrepancy with every  
installation of Debian I have done that renders it less capable than  
Windows.  Some really weird ones, too.  All I am willing to do right now  
is to try another installation on a completely different system.  I am not  
comfortable with trying Squeeze, thank you.  It seems futile after getting  
sound out of Ubuntu 9.10, which has a good driver base and a recent  
kernel.  Do you foresee any gross problems with transferring the HD from  
this system to another system and repeating the installation procedure? (I  
do!! I just remembered that the HD in this system is SATA and all my other  
systems are PATA.)  I'm tired of wiping Windows installations for no good  
reason.  I had an older Dell system on which Sarge installed with no  
problems whatsoever, and I was s pleased.  Then the HD died and I  
replaced it with another, reinstalled Sarge and could never get another  
desktop.  From just changing the HD?  Give me a break, please.  It is  
obvious to me that I am going to have to dig into Debian just as I have  
done with Windows and DOS.  That is unfortunate because I have gotten to  
the point with computers now that I just want them to work, I don't want  
to fix them any more.  I have been repairing systems for over twenty  
years, and the fun is gone.  Now it is just frustrating as hell to get new  
technology that isn't any more capable, stable nor secure (in my  
experience) than the old.  Feces!!  Many thanks, again.


Cecil


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-25 Thread Stephen Powell

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:54:34 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:

Stephen,
Excuse me, I did not complete the assignment last time, alsa-utils and
cdtool are both installed. They are shown in Synaptic as being installed
and, when I issued the dpkg-query command for them, they were identified
just as was alsa-base. I didn't realize that separate commands were
needed, so it looked like alsa-utils was not installed.

OK, good.

No, there are no audio jacks on the system other than those on the sound
adapter card. The card is connected to the front headphone jack by an
internal cable, which is the only other audio jack on the system.

Strange. This Intel chip appears to be a full-function audio chip.
But with no way to get data into or out of it, it's useless.

The adapter card was with the system when I got it. I did not get this
system new, but from a recycling service, so I don't know what was
originally packaged with the system. FYI: there are four jacks on the card:
mic/digital-out (blue), out 1 (green), out 2 (black), out 3 (yellow).

I can remove the heat-sink of the unidentified chip, wipe off the
conductive cream and see if it is a sound chip, if you so desire, although
I have seen many systems come through the recycling service and not one
had a sound chip with a heat-sink on it. Since the unit is identified in
lspci as an 82801 family and that is the number of the chipset, it makes
sense that it is integrated into the chipset, but I don't know for sure.
I'll see if I can find out at the Intel site if the 82801 family
integrates sound into the chipset. Yes, it does: Intel HD audio
Technology and Intel AC97 Technology.

No, don't remove the heat sink.
So they integrated a sound chip into the chipset but then didn't provide
any way to access it. Very strange. What a waste.

So, why didn't setting all the
Devices categories in the Sound Preferences dialog window to CA0106
work? I tried that along with setting them all to Alsa, Autodetect, and
ICH958.

Again, you've got to walk before you can run. I know you want to get
sound working on the desktop. That's your ultimate goal. But first
we have to get sound working at all. Let's concentrate on that.

Hmmm. Now there is no ICH958 choice in the various device
selections. What do you think?

That's because you blacklisted the driver for it. That's good.

I also noted that there are four CA0106
choices in Sound Events, Music and Movies, and Sound Playback, does it
matter which of the four is chosen?

Walk first, then run. Never mind the desktop for right now.

Did you install the firmware package that I suggested in another post?

Make sure that alsa-firmware-loaders is installed. This is in contrib;
so make sure that non-free and contrib are listed in your
/etc/apt/sources.list file. See http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm
for a sample /etc/apt/sources.list file. It's at the end of Step 1.
Then run

aptitude update
aptitude install alsa-firmware-loaders

Then shutdown and reboot. Then run

dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
dpkg-reconfigure alsa-utils

Then shutdown and reboot again.

Then run alsamixer and check out the column names to see if PCM has shown up.
(All these commands except alsamixer must be run as root.)

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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-25 Thread Cecil Knutson


Stephen,
	Aptitude was updated; the alsa-firmware-loaders installed; dpkg  
reconfigured alsa base and alsa utils; no PCM in alsamixer.  I don't  
remember saying this before, so excuse me if it is being repeated, when I  
had Ubuntu 9.10 installed, there were two times that the sound worked  
after I had tweaked some configuration dialog window.  But that was only  
in separate sessions on separate days; booting the next day each time,  
there was no sound again.  If I remember correctly, one of those times  
involved installing Flash Player 10 and updating Opera to the new  
plug-in.	I don't recall if I had played any audio CD then.  But something  
was done that made sound work, if only for a short while.  That would make  
me conclude that the hardware is sufficient.  Would you agree?  Of course,  
then I knew nothing about alsa-mixer and cannot confirm that any PCM was  
listed anywhere.  What would you suggest doing now?



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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-24 Thread Stephen Powell

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:32:31 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:

Stephen, This is the second time I have replied, but I don't see the
reply on the list, so here it goes again.

This is the first reply I have received. The first one must have gotten
lost in the internet somewhere. I was beginning to wonder what happened.

Local is in the /etc/modprobe.d directory; it has the right contents;
modprobe.conf does not exist; the cat command does show the contents of
the file, but I don't see anything that shows if it is plain text or not.

If it looks normal, in the output of cat, it's plain text.

Here is a section out of the output of lsmod pertaining to loaded sound
modules:

snd_ca0106 27584 3
snd_ac97_codec 88452 1 snd_ca0106
snd_pcm_oss32800 0
snd_mixer_oss 12320 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm62660 4 snd_ca0106,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_dummy 2660 0
snd_seq_oss24992 0
snd_seq_midi5728 0
snd_rawmidi18496 2 snd_ca0106,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event 6432 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq41456 6
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event

I didn't see anything about snd_intel8x0 anywhere in the output.

Good. That means that the blacklist is working or the chip is on the
removed card.

Here is the output of dmesg:

... (content eliminated for brevity's sake)

I don't see anything obviously wrong at first glance. I'll take a closer
look and reply if I see a problem.

Here is the output of dpkg-query:
alsa-base 1.0.17.dfsg-4 ALSA driver configuration files.

Looks like the alsa utils is not installed.

That's a problem. We need that. Install cdtool as well.

The Intel audio controller is still listed along with the Creative Labs
audio controller in the lspci output: Intel Corp. 82801FR (ICH6 Family)
AC'97 Audio Controller.

That tells us two things: (1) the chip is not on the internal modem
card that you removed, and (2) the blacklist is working. That makes
me wonder though. Is the sound chip on the motherboard? Is there any
evidence that the manufacturer intended it to be the sound chip for
the system? Are there audio jacks on the back of the system for
speakers, microphone, line-in, line-out, etc. that are *not* on the
edge connector of your sound card? Did you install the Sound Blaster
Live card as an after-market add-on? Or did it come with the machine?

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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-24 Thread Cecil Knutson


Stephen,
Excuse me, I did not complete the assignment last time, alsa-utils and  
cdtool are both installed.  They are shown in Synaptic as being installed  
and, when I issued the dpkg-query command for them, they were identified  
just as was alsa-base.  I didn't realize that separate commands were  
needed, so it looked like alsa-utils was not installed.
	No, there are no audio jacks on the system other than those on the sound  
adapter card.  The card is connected to the front headphone jack by an  
internal cable, which is the only other audio jack on the system.  The  
adapter card was with the system when I got it.  I did not get this system  
new, but from a recycling service, so I don't know what was originally  
packaged with the system.  FYI: there are four jacks on the card:  
mic/digital-out (blue), out 1 (green), out 2 (black), out 3 (yellow).
	I can remove the heat-sink of the unidentified chip, wipe off the  
conductive cream and see if it is a sound chip, if you so desire, although  
I have seen many systems come through the recycling service and not one  
had a sound chip with a heat-sink on it.  Since the unit is identified in  
lspci as an 82801 family and that is the number of the chipset, it makes  
sense that it is integrated into the chipset, but I don't know for sure.   
I'll see if I can find out at the Intel site if the 82801 family  
integrates sound into the chipset.  Yes, it does: Intel HD audio  
Technology and Intel AC97 Technology.  So, why didn't setting all the  
Devices categories in the Sound Preferences dialog window to CA0106  
work?  I tried that along with setting them all to Alsa, Autodetect, and  
ICH958.  Hmmm. Now there is no ICH958 choice in the various device  
selections.  What do you think?  I also noted that there are four CA0106  
choices in Sound Events, Music and Movies, and Sound Playback, doe it  
matter which of the four is chosen?



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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-23 Thread Lisi

On Tuesday 23 February 2010 02:48:07 Cecil Knutson wrote:
 Yes, Lisi, I did see the later post telling me to use Kwrite as root.  I
 don't see it on the applications menu, so I guess I will have to install
 it.  How do I use it as root?

From my earlier email (slightly edited, to allow for the fact that I now know 
that you use some KDE applications but are running Gnome):

quote
Do Alt+F2.
Type gksu kwrite (without the quotation marks) in the small window that 
opens.

When asked for password, enter the root password.

When Kwrite opens, load file as you would in a wordprocessor.  

Save As to a new name.  (e.g. conf.file.old)

Reload file under original name.
Edit.  Save.  Close Kwrite.
/quote

But gedit is a also a graphical editor, so if you have that (and you probably 
have since you are running Gnome), you could see how you get on with it - 
tho' you would still need to run it as root.

Lisi




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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-23 Thread Cecil Knutson

Stephen,  This is the second time I have replied, but I don't see the  
reply on the list, so here it goes again.
Local is in the /etc/modprobe.d directory; it has the right contents;  
modprobe.conf does not exist; the cat command does show the contents of  
the file, but I don't see anything that shows if it is plain text or not.


Here is a section out of the output of lsmod pertaining to loaded sound  
modules:


snd_ca0106 27584  3
snd_ac97_codec 88452  1 snd_ca0106
snd_pcm_oss32800  0
snd_mixer_oss  12320  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm62660  4 snd_ca0106,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_dummy   2660  0
snd_seq_oss24992  0
snd_seq_midi5728  0
snd_rawmidi18496  2 snd_ca0106,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event  6432  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq41456  6  
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event


I didn't see anything about snd_intel8x0 anywhere in the output.

Here is the output of dmesg:

[0.00] ACPI: BOOT 000FCDDE, 0028 (r1 DELL8400   7  
ASL61)
[0.00] ACPI: MCFG 000FCE06, 003E (r1 DELL8400   7  
ASL61)
[0.00] ACPI: HPET 000FCE44, 0038 (r1 DELL8400   7  
ASL61)

[0.00] ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x808
[0.00] ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee0
[0.00] ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x00] enabled)
[0.00] ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x02] lapic_id[0x01] enabled)
[0.00] ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x03] lapic_id[0x01] disabled)
[0.00] ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x04] lapic_id[0x07] disabled)
[0.00] ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0xff] high level lint[0x1])
[0.00] ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x08] address[0xfec0] gsi_base[0])
[0.00] IOAPIC[0]: apic_id 8, version 32, address 0xfec0, GSI  
0-23

[0.00] ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 dfl dfl)
[0.00] ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 high level)
[0.00] ACPI: IRQ0 used by override.
[0.00] ACPI: IRQ2 used by override.
[0.00] ACPI: IRQ9 used by override.
[0.00] Enabling APIC mode:  Flat.  Using 1 I/O APICs
[0.00] ACPI: HPET id: 0x8086a201 base: 0xfed0
[0.00] Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information
[0.00] Allocating PCI resources starting at d100 (gap:  
d000:1000)
[0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: 000a -  
000f
[0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: 000f -  
0010

[0.00] SMP: Allowing 4 CPUs, 2 hotplug CPUs
[0.00] PERCPU: Allocating 37960 bytes of per cpu data
[0.00] NR_CPUS: 8, nr_cpu_ids: 4
[0.00] Built 1 zonelists in Zone order, mobility grouping on.   
Total pages: 844942

[0.00] Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet
[0.00] mapped APIC to b000 (fee0)
[0.00] mapped IOAPIC to a000 (fec0)
[0.00] Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
[0.00] Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done.
[0.00] Initializing CPU#0
[0.00] PID hash table entries: 4096 (order: 12, 16384 bytes)
[0.00] Detected 2992.587 MHz processor.
[0.004000] Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
[0.004000] console [tty0] enabled
[0.004000] Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288  
bytes)
[0.004000] Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144  
bytes)
[0.004000] Memory: 3368252k/3406384k available (1770k kernel code,  
36968k reserved, 751k data, 244k init, 240k highmem)

[0.004000] virtual kernel memory layout:
[0.004000] fixmap  : 0xfff4c000 - 0xf000   ( 716 kB)
[0.004000] pkmap   : 0xff80 - 0xffc0   (4096 kB)
[0.004000] vmalloc : 0xf880 - 0xff7fe000   ( 111 MB)
[0.004000] lowmem  : 0xc000 - 0xf800   ( 896 MB)
[0.004000]   .init : 0xc037f000 - 0xc03bc000   ( 244 kB)
[0.004000]   .data : 0xc02ba9a9 - 0xc0376620   ( 751 kB)
[0.004000]   .text : 0xc010 - 0xc02ba9a9   (1770 kB)
[0.004000] Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in  
supervisor mode...Ok.

[0.004000] CPA: page pool initialized 1 of 1 pages preallocated
[0.004000] hpet clockevent registered
[0.083948] Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 5991.27  
BogoMIPS (lpj=11982554)

[0.083990] Security Framework initialized
[0.083995] SELinux:  Disabled at boot.
[0.083999] Capability LSM initialized
[0.084005] Mount-cache hash table entries: 512
[0.084005] Initializing cgroup subsys ns
[0.084005] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuacct
[0.084005] Initializing cgroup subsys devices
[0.084005] CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 16K
[0.084005] CPU: L2 cache: 1024K
[0.084005] CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0
[0.084005] Intel machine check architecture supported.
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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-22 Thread Lisi

On Monday 22 February 2010 04:06:16 Cecil Knutson wrote:
 opened it with Kword, modified the file  
 by adding blacklist snd_intel8x0, file failed to save.  So, now what?  

Did you open Kword as root?  My guess would be no, and that that is the 
problem.

Lisi


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On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:06:16 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
 
 No, I have never searched for anything in a web page.  Didn't know it  
 could be done, didn't look for it.

Amazing.  OK, my apologies.  I will try to make fewer assumptions.

 Opera does the same, did it, found it,  
 read it, opened a terminal, SU'd, cd'd to /etc/modprobe.d, saw  
 blacklist, double-clicked it ...

Double clicked it?  In a terminal window?  Are you sure you were
in a terminal window?

 and opened it with Kword, modified the file  
 by adding blacklist snd_intel8x0, file failed to save.  So, now what?

You say you sud.  By that I assume that you entered su as a command
with no operands, then responded to the password prompt by entering
the password for root.  You then should have seen a shell prompt which
ends with the pound sign (#) instead of the dollar sign ($).  If you
sud to any user other than root, or if you entered the wrong password,
it didn't work.  If you did not see a shell prompt ending with # instead
of $, then it didn't work as you expected.  I'm not familiar
with Kword, but it appears to be a word processor for the KDE
desktop environment.  I don't recommend that you use a word processor
of any sort.  I earlier recommended gedit, which is a graphical text
editor for the GNOME desktop environment.  I thought that's what you
were running.  I didn't realize you were using KDE.

Long term, I recommend that you learn to use vi, which is considered
the standard full-screen text editor on Unix and Unix-like systems.
The second most popular text editor is GNU emacs.  Most Linux text editors
are extensions of, or takeoffs from, one of these two basic editors.
But for now, I'd like to keep things as simple as possible.  I'd like
to avoid too many simultaneous learning curves.  Let's try nano.
It is a very simple WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) full-screen
text editor that comes standard with Debian systems.  Finally, I don't
recommend that you edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.  That file belongs
to a package (udev, to be precise) and might possibly be replaced
in a future security update to udev, wiping out your changes.  I
suggest that you create a new file called /etc/modprobe.d/local.
That is how my web page recommends that it be done.  (You don't seem
to read very carefully.  You have asked that I be patient, but I ask
the same thing of you.  Don't stop reading too soon.  Make sure you
understand the procedure before trying something.)

For illustrative purposes, I will assume that your ordinary,
non-root userid is cecil and that your hostname is debian1.
I will show the console log complete with standard shell prompts.
Everything up to and including the $ (or #) and the trailing
blank is typed by the shell.  Don't try to type that.  Everything
after the $  or the #  is what you type.

--

ce...@debian1:~$ cd /etc/modprobe.d
ce...@debian1:/etc/modprobe.d$ su
Password: [enter the root password here]
debian1:/etc/modprobe.d# nano local
.
.
.
. (editing session)
.
.
.
debian1:/etc/modprobe.d# exit
ce...@debian1:/etc/modprobe.d$ exit

--

Notice that the shell prompt changes from ending with a $ (used
for non-root users) to ending with a # (used for root only) upon
the successful switch to the root user.  It switches back to a $
upon the first exit command.  (The second exit command terminates
the terminal window.)

During the editing session you will add a single line to the file
which contains

--

blacklist snd_intel8x0

--

save it, then exit the editor.  Then, shutdown and reboot.
Upon reboot, run alsamixer and see if you see different results
than before.


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-22 Thread Lisi

On Monday 22 February 2010 14:45:11 Stephen Powell wrote:
 I earlier recommended gedit, which is a graphical text
 editor for the GNOME desktop environment.  I thought that's what you
 were running.  I didn't realize you were using KDE.

Kwrite in KDE is a good compromise between vi and word-processors, and I would 
say is at a similar level to gedit in Gnome.  Assuming KDE 3.5.x;

To use it to edit config files:

From KDE do Alt+F2.
Type kdesu kwrite (without the quotation marks) in the snall window that 
opens.

When asked for password, enter the root password.

Load file as you would in a wordprocessor.  

Save As to a new name.  (e.g. conf.file.old)

Reload file under original name.
Edit.  Save.  Close Kwrite.

I believe that KDE 4.x.x operates in a similar way.

Lisi



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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-22 Thread Celejar

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:57:42 +
Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

...

 Kwrite in KDE is a good compromise between vi and word-processors, and I 
 would 
 say is at a similar level to gedit in Gnome.  Assuming KDE 3.5.x;

And FTR, mousepad, I believe, is also on a similar level, but with (I
think) far fewer dependencies.

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Re: Two Lenny problems

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:57:42 -0500 (EST), Lisi wrote:
 On Monday 22 February 2010 14:45:11 Stephen Powell wrote:
 I earlier recommended gedit, which is a graphical text
 editor for the GNOME desktop environment.  I thought that's what you
 were running.  I didn't realize you were using KDE.
 
 Kwrite in KDE is a good compromise between vi and word-processors, and I 
 would 
 say is at a similar level to gedit in Gnome.  Assuming KDE 3.5.x;

The reason that I don't recommend the use of word processors to edit
text files, even though they *can*, is that by default they usually
save their files in a word-processing format, rather than as plain text.
Having no experience with KDE, I assumed that Kwrite was a word processor.
Apparently not.  My mistake.  But I also wanted to give him some
experience with an editor that can be used in a virtual console environment
(i.e. with no X server running).  Some day he may do something, such as hose up
his X config file, that will prevent his X server from starting.
As a matter of fact, I've helped a couple of users recently who
couldn't get their X servers to run.  The last I checked, one of them
still can't.  If Cecil can't use any non-graphical editors, he'll be up a creek
without a paddle in this situation.  Also, getting his Kwrite session to run as
root is an additional complication.  I don't know about KDE, but GNOME, by
default, doesn't even allow the root user to login to the X console.
Since I don't know how to get Kwrite to run as root, I suggested
nano in a terminal session as root, which is very intuitive.

In the final analysis, I don't care what text editor he uses, as long as
he can get it to run under the root user.
But I thought I should explain the rationale behind my recommendation.
Besides, he used to use DOS;
so the command line interface is not completely foreign to him.


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-22 Thread Lisi

On Monday 22 February 2010 16:44:41 Stephen Powell wrote:
 On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:57:42 -0500 (EST), Lisi wrote:
  On Monday 22 February 2010 14:45:11 Stephen Powell wrote:
  I earlier recommended gedit, which is a graphical text
  editor for the GNOME desktop environment.  I thought that's what you
  were running.  I didn't realize you were using KDE.
 
  Kwrite in KDE is a good compromise between vi and word-processors, and I
  would say is at a similar level to gedit in Gnome.  Assuming KDE 3.5.x;

 The reason that I don't recommend the use of word processors to edit
 text files, even though they *can*, is that by default they usually
 save their files in a word-processing format, rather than as plain text.
 Having no experience with KDE, I assumed that Kwrite was a word processor.
 Apparently not.  My mistake.  But I also wanted to give him some
 experience with an editor that can be used in a virtual console environment
 (i.e. with no X server running).  Some day he may do something, such as
 hose up his X config file, that will prevent his X server from starting.
 As a matter of fact, I've helped a couple of users recently who
 couldn't get their X servers to run.  The last I checked, one of them
 still can't.  If Cecil can't use any non-graphical editors, he'll be up a
 creek without a paddle in this situation.  Also, getting his Kwrite session
 to run as root is an additional complication.  I don't know about KDE, but
 GNOME, by default, doesn't even allow the root user to login to the X
 console. Since I don't know how to get Kwrite to run as root, I suggested
 nano in a terminal session as root, which is very intuitive.

 In the final analysis, I don't care what text editor he uses, as long as
 he can get it to run under the root user.
 But I thought I should explain the rationale behind my recommendation.
 Besides, he used to use DOS;
 so the command line interface is not completely foreign to him.

I agree - but I must confess to using Kwrite myself if I have X available.  If 
not, of course, I use Vi/Vim - tho' even there I use Vim if it is 
available. :-(

In Lenny with KDE, running an X application as root can, I think, only be done 
via kdesu and the Launcher.

Lisi


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Re: Two Lenny problems

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:57:32 -0500 (EST), Lisi wrote:

 I agree - but I must confess to using Kwrite myself if I have X available.  
 If 
 not, of course, I use Vi/Vim - tho' even there I use Vim if it is 
 available. :-(
 
 In Lenny with KDE, running an X application as root can, I think, only be 
 done 
 via kdesu and the Launcher.

Another advantage to nano is that it is the editor that is provided
by the Debian Installer when you escape to a shell from within the installer,
such as running the installer in rescue mode to fix an unbootable system.
I forgot to mention that.

I support Linux on many systems that don't have X installed.  Consequently,
even on systems that have X installed I find myself using vi to edit files,
even though gedit is available, because I'm so familiar with vi.
But I digress.


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-22 Thread Cecil Knutson

Thanks, Stephen. I've made several mistakes: was in Krusader when I  
double-clicked blacklist; assumed that SU-ing in a terminal rendered all  
that follows as root activity.  So, I opened a terminal; SU'd; CD'd to  
/etc/modprobe.d; issued the command nano local; typed in the line:  
blacklist snd_intel8x0; issued a Write Out command; exited Nano; typed  
ls; saw the file local in /modprobe.d; closed the terminal; re-started;  
opened a terminal window; SU'd; typed alsamixer; got the same display as  
before: no changes in the headings.  I did not remove any modules, I  
physically removed the modem adapter card.  I did read about creating the  
local file but nothing was said as to where to put it and I didn't  
assume that it would be in /modprobe.d.  So, when I saw the blacklist file  
and it looked like it would fulfill the purpose, I tried it.  I do notice  
the prompt change from $ to # and recognize it as indicating root status.   
I installed several of the KDE programs just because I am more familiar  
with them, but the GUI is the Lenny default, GNOME.  I will try vi and  
gedit and see how I do with them, thanks for the recommendation.  BTW, is  
UTF-8 the same as plain text?



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Re: Two Lenny problems

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:42:27 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:

Thanks, Stephen. I've made several mistakes: was in Krusader when I
double-clicked blacklist; assumed that SU-ing in a terminal rendered all
that follows as root activity.

No, only in that terminal session. All graphical desktop applications
run under the user which logged in to the graphical desktop.

So, I opened a terminal; SU'd; CD'd to
/etc/modprobe.d; issued the command nano local; typed in the line:
blacklist snd_intel8x0; issued a Write Out command; exited Nano; typed
ls; saw the file local in /modprobe.d;

Uh, you saw it where? I hope you meant /etc/modprobe.d. That's where
it has to be.

closed the terminal; re-started;
opened a terminal window; SU'd; typed alsamixer; got the same display as
before: no changes in the headings.

:-(

I did not remove any modules, I
physically removed the modem adapter card.

It's just as well. But to keep airflow within the system as the designers
assumed, it's a good idea to install a slot cover where the card used
to be, if you have one.

I did read about creating the
local file but nothing was said as to where to put it and I didn't
assume that it would be in /modprobe.d.

That web page is all one continuous narrative. Assume that it goes
in the last directory cded to unless otherwise noted.

So, when I saw the blacklist file
and it looked like it would fulfill the purpose, I tried it. I do notice
the prompt change from $ to # and recognize it as indicating root status.
I installed several of the KDE programs just because I am more familiar
with them, but the GUI is the Lenny default, GNOME.

I will try vi and
gedit and see how I do with them, thanks for the recommendation. BTW, is
UTF-8 the same as plain text?

Strictly speaking, UTF-8 is a type of character encoding and can be used
with multiple file formats, not just plain text.

OK, so where do we go from here? First, verify that local is indeed
present in /etc/modprobe.d. Second, verify that /etc/modprobe.conf does
*not* exist. Third, issue

cat /etc/modprobe.d/local

and make sure its outut is as expected (i.e. the file is in plain text format.)
Fourth, issue lsmod and check to make sure that the
blacklisted module is not loaded. If all three of these things check
out, then I'd like to see the output of dmesg.

Also, check to make sure that the following packages are installed:

alsa-base
alsa-utils

(You can check by means of

dpkg-query -l alsa-base|grep ii

for example.)

Also, try another lspci to see if removing the internal modem card
also resulted in the Intel audio controller disappearing.

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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-22 Thread Florian Kulzer

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 19:36:18 -0800, Cecil Knutson wrote:
 dimension8400:/home/cecil# grep '.*' /proc/asound/* /proc/asound/card?/*
 /proc/asound/cards: 0 [CA0106 ]: CA0106 - CA0106
 /proc/asound/cards:  Live! 7.1 24bit [SB0413] at 0xcce0 
 irq 17
 /proc/asound/cards: 1 [ICH6   ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6
 /proc/asound/cards:  Intel ICH6 with AD1980 at irq 23

That looks good; the soundblaster is the first card. (That is what you
want to do, use the SB and not the ICH6, right?) There should not be any
need to blacklist the intel modules.

 /proc/asound/devices:  0: [ 0]   : control
 /proc/asound/devices:  1:: sequencer
 /proc/asound/devices:  8: [ 0- 0]: raw midi
 /proc/asound/devices: 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
 /proc/asound/devices: 17: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback
 /proc/asound/devices: 18: [ 0- 2]: digital audio playback
 /proc/asound/devices: 19: [ 0- 3]: digital audio playback
 /proc/asound/devices: 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
 /proc/asound/devices: 25: [ 0- 1]: digital audio capture
 /proc/asound/devices: 26: [ 0- 2]: digital audio capture
 /proc/asound/devices: 27: [ 0- 3]: digital audio capture
 /proc/asound/devices: 32: [ 1]   : control
 /proc/asound/devices: 33:: timer
 /proc/asound/devices: 48: [ 1- 0]: digital audio playback
 /proc/asound/devices: 52: [ 1- 4]: digital audio playback
 /proc/asound/devices: 56: [ 1- 0]: digital audio capture
 /proc/asound/devices: 57: [ 1- 1]: digital audio capture
 /proc/asound/devices: 58: [ 1- 2]: digital audio capture
 /proc/asound/devices: 59: [ 1- 3]: digital audio capture

That seems to be fine, too.

 /proc/asound/modules: 0 snd_ca0106
 /proc/asound/modules: 1 snd_intel8x0

The correct modules are loaded.

[ snip: I did not see anything unusual in the rest, either. ]

 /proc/asound/version:Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.16.

[...]

Your sound(blaster) should work as far as I can tell. Either you have
run into a bug of the driver (your version of ALSA is rather outdated),
a hardware problem (I seem to remember that you said that the card
works fine under another operating system, but I might be mixing up
threads), or your mixer settings are wrong. My guess would be the mixer
settings, so please post the output of:

  amixer
  aplay -lL

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Re: Two Lenny problems

(Problem: snd_ca0106 sound driver does not work)

Another thing you might try is firmware.  Is the package

   alsa-firmware-loaders

installed?  According to the packages page

   http://packages.debian.org/lenny/alsa-firmware-loaders

it should only be needed for the SoundBlaster 16 ASP/CSP Control Program.
But maybe it is used for other SoundBlaster cards too.  Generally,
once a hardware vendor starts down the firmware path, they
tend to stay on it.  Make sure that non-free and contrib
are listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list file or you won't be
able to install it.


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-22 Thread Cecil Knutson

Yes, Lisi, I did see the later post telling me to use Kwrite as root.  I  
don't see it on the applications menu, so I guess I will have to install  
it.  How do I use it as root?



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RE: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-21 Thread Cecil Knutson



dimension8400:/home/cecil# grep '.*' /proc/asound/* /proc/asound/card?/*
/proc/asound/cards: 0 [CA0106 ]: CA0106 - CA0106
/proc/asound/cards:  Live! 7.1 24bit [SB0413] at  
0xcce0 irq 17

/proc/asound/cards: 1 [ICH6   ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6
/proc/asound/cards:  Intel ICH6 with AD1980 at irq 23
/proc/asound/devices:  0: [ 0]   : control
/proc/asound/devices:  1:: sequencer
/proc/asound/devices:  8: [ 0- 0]: raw midi
/proc/asound/devices: 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
/proc/asound/devices: 17: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback
/proc/asound/devices: 18: [ 0- 2]: digital audio playback
/proc/asound/devices: 19: [ 0- 3]: digital audio playback
/proc/asound/devices: 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
/proc/asound/devices: 25: [ 0- 1]: digital audio capture
/proc/asound/devices: 26: [ 0- 2]: digital audio capture
/proc/asound/devices: 27: [ 0- 3]: digital audio capture
/proc/asound/devices: 32: [ 1]   : control
/proc/asound/devices: 33:: timer
/proc/asound/devices: 48: [ 1- 0]: digital audio playback
/proc/asound/devices: 52: [ 1- 4]: digital audio playback
/proc/asound/devices: 56: [ 1- 0]: digital audio capture
/proc/asound/devices: 57: [ 1- 1]: digital audio capture
/proc/asound/devices: 58: [ 1- 2]: digital audio capture
/proc/asound/devices: 59: [ 1- 3]: digital audio capture
/proc/asound/modules: 0 snd_ca0106
/proc/asound/modules: 1 snd_intel8x0
/proc/asound/pcm:00-03: ca0106 : CA0106 : playback 1 : capture 1
/proc/asound/pcm:00-02: ca0106 : CA0106 : playback 1 : capture 1
/proc/asound/pcm:00-01: ca0106 : CA0106 : playback 1 : capture 1
/proc/asound/pcm:00-00: ca0106 : CA0106 : playback 1 : capture 1
/proc/asound/pcm:01-04: Intel ICH - IEC958 : Intel ICH6 - IEC958 :  
playback 1

/proc/asound/pcm:01-03: Intel ICH - ADC2 : Intel ICH6 - ADC2 : capture 1
/proc/asound/pcm:01-02: Intel ICH - MIC2 ADC : Intel ICH6 - MIC2 ADC :  
capture 1
/proc/asound/pcm:01-01: Intel ICH - MIC ADC : Intel ICH6 - MIC ADC :  
capture 1

/proc/asound/pcm:01-00: Intel ICH : Intel ICH6 : playback 1 : capture 1
/proc/asound/timers:G0: system timer : 4000.000us (1000 ticks)
/proc/asound/timers:P0-0-0: PCM playback 0-0-0 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:  Client application 3186 : running
/proc/asound/timers:P0-0-1: PCM capture 0-0-1 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P0-1-0: PCM playback 0-1-0 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P0-1-1: PCM capture 0-1-1 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P0-2-0: PCM playback 0-2-0 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P0-2-1: PCM capture 0-2-1 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P0-3-0: PCM playback 0-3-0 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P0-3-1: PCM capture 0-3-1 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P1-0-0: PCM playback 1-0-0 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P1-0-1: PCM capture 1-0-1 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P1-1-1: PCM capture 1-1-1 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P1-2-1: PCM capture 1-2-1 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P1-3-1: PCM capture 1-3-1 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/timers:P1-4-0: PCM playback 1-4-0 : SLAVE
/proc/asound/version:Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version  
1.0.16.

/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Registers:
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 00: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 02: 0076
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 04: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 06: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 08: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 0A: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 0C: 0105
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 0E: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 10: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 12: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 14: 0809
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 16: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 18: 52D2
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 1A: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 1C: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg16:Register 1E: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg32:Registers:
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg32:
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg32:Register 00: 0076
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg32:Register 04: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg32:Register 08: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg32:Register 0C: 0105
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg32:Register 10: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg32:Register 14: 0809
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg32:Register 18: 005F52D2
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg32:Register 1C: 
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:Registers:
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:Register 00: 00
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:Register 01: 00
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:Register 02: 76
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:Register 03: 00
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:Register 04: 00
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:Register 05: 00
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:Register 06: 00
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:Register 07: 00
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:Register 08: 00
/proc/asound/card0/ca0106_reg8:Register 09: 00

Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-21 Thread Cecil Knutson

No, I have never searched for anything in a web page.  Didn't know it  
could be done, didn't look for it.  Opera does the same, did it, found it,  
read it, opened a terminal, SU'd, cd'd to /etc/modprobe.d, saw  
blacklist, double-clicked it and opened it with Kword, modified the file  
by adding blacklist snd_intel8x0, file failed to save.  So, now what?  In  
spite of my experience, I am no where near fluent in anything.  You err in  
expecting me to know what you know.  I do not expect anyone to eat my food  
for me.  Please excuse me for not seeing the food you place on my plate.   
I will do better if at all possible, please be patient.



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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-21 Thread Celejar

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:06:16 -0800
Cecil Knutson ce...@qwestoffice.net wrote:

 No, I have never searched for anything in a web page.  Didn't know it  
 could be done, didn't look for it.  Opera does the same, did it, found it,  
 read it, opened a terminal, SU'd, cd'd to /etc/modprobe.d, saw  
 blacklist, double-clicked it and opened it with Kword, modified the file  
 by adding blacklist snd_intel8x0, file failed to save.  So, now what?  In  

You need to understand file access privileges under linux:

http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html

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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-20 Thread Osamu Aoki

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 08:33:16PM -0800, Cecil Knutson wrote:
 Blacklist, hell, I removed it.  I'm using a network connection and
 never use a modem anyway.
 Same number and kind of columns in alsamixer.  I went over your
 installation instructions just to see if blacklisting would make a
 difference and did not find anything about blacklisting.  Where is
 it?

this is blacklisting for module loading, i guess.

$ man modprobe
...
$ find /etc/modprobe.d |grep blacklist
/etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf
/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist.conf
/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-20 Thread Florian Kulzer

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 19:11:05 -0800, Cecil Knutson wrote:
 dimension8400:/home/cecil# lspci

[...]

 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW 
 (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)

[...]

 04:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
 
 Alsamixer: card: CA0106; Chip: (blank); View: [Playback]; Item: IEC958
 Columns from left to right: IEC958, IEC958 C, IEC958 F, IEC958 R,
 IEC958 U, Analog C, Analog F, Analog R, Analog S, Capture.
 Sheesh! there are many more columns in your instance than mine.
 
 Yes, There is only one sound card, the Creative Sound Blaster Live.
 So, why are there two listings for Multimedia Audio Controller?

Please post the output of:

  grep '.*' /proc/asound/* /proc/asound/card?/*

(or, if there is a lot of text, make the output available on
 http://debian.pastebin.com/ and post the link here)

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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-20 Thread Stephen Powell

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:33:16 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
 Blacklist, hell, I removed it.  I'm using a network connection and never  
 use a modem anyway.
 Same number and kind of columns in alsamixer.  I went over your  
 installation instructions just to see if blacklisting would make a  
 difference and did not find anything about blacklisting.  Where is it?

Removing the module is not sufficient.  Some things happen only at boot
time.  But as to blacklisting ...

Are you telling me you don't know how to search for a character string
in a web page?  I don't use Opera, but in Epiphany and Iceweasel, it's

   Edit -- Find

This causes an entry field to appear in the bottom left corner of the
browser, where you type in the character string

   blacklist

Previous and Next buttons also appear near the entry field for you
to click on.  I'm sure there must be a similar function in Opera.

I'm willing to help you find food, but I'm not willing to chew it for
you.  I spent months writing that web page for the benefit of others.
Granted, it's for a different computer and a different sound chip, but
many of the techniques are applicable to other machines and sound cards.
It's there.  Find it and read it.  You'd learn a lot about Linux in
general and Debian in particular by reading the whole web page, though
that will take a while.  But for now, all I'm asking you to do is search
for the string blacklist, back up a paragraph or two, and read.
That's not hard is it?


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-20 Thread Lisi

On Saturday 20 February 2010 15:07:03 Stephen Powell wrote:
 Are you telling me you don't know how to search for a character string
 in a web page?  I don't use Opera, but in Epiphany and Iceweasel, it's

    Edit -- Find

And in Konqueror and Opera.  Exactly the same.  But to be fair to Cecil, I 
suppose that you have to know what you are looking for to look.

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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-20 Thread Stephen Powell

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:30:40 -0500 (EST), Lisi wrote:
 But to be fair to Cecil, I suppose that you have to
 know what you are looking for to look.

Of course I want to be fair to Cecil.  I want to be fair
to everyone.  But my post stated:

   Let's try blacklisting the snd_intel8x0 kernel
   module and see what happens.  Follow the instructions for 
   blacklisting given in my web page.  Then shutdown and reboot.

If someone gave you those instructions, and you knew what
web page it was referring to, what word would you search for?
By the confession of his own mouth, he's been using computers
since the days of DOS.  Did I make an unreasonable assumption?


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-20 Thread Celejar

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:07:03 -0500 (EST)
Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote:

...

 Are you telling me you don't know how to search for a character string
 in a web page?  I don't use Opera, but in Epiphany and Iceweasel, it's
 
Edit -- Find

Or just CTRL-F, or even plain '/'.

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Two Lenny problems



How would I find out if something else is wrong with the installation?   
I've gone through the Testing section of your page to no avail.   
Alsamixer on this machine does not have any settings for CD, FM, nor DSP.   
It has IEC958 C,F,R; Analog C,F,R,S and Capture.  I set them all for 100%  
and unmuted IEC958.  Still no sound out of any of the ports.  I saw  
nothing in the syslog about sound errors or failures, but I didn't see any  
alsa starting.  May have missed it.  I installed the Gnome sounds,  
rebooted, opened Preferences-Sound; selected System Sounds, clicked on  
Play...no sound.  I haven't configured Alsa for PCM software mixing as I  
didn't get any sound after the Gnome configuration.  Would it help?  Oh,  
yeah...the selection in Default Mixer Tracks is CA0106(Alsa mixer), if  
it makes any difference.
	FYI: I started computer life on a 10 MHz Intel 8088 IBM clone running DOS  
3.xx on a 20MB HD; didn't start using Windows until someone gave me  
Windows for Work Groups 3.11 and found it not to my liking and pretty much  
stuck to the command line and separate programs until I got to the point  
of having to run more than one program at a time and Windows 95 came  
along.  In between that a friend gave me an ATT 386 machine with Unix on  
it, but absolutely no instructions, so I was lost as to what to do with it  
and ended up reformatting the HD and installing DOS.  I don't like GUIs (I  
prefer words and drop-down menus to icons) but do like the multiple  
running programs (DesqView I did like).  I would prefer an OS written in  
Assembly language, no GUI, but multi-tasking capable.  Linux seemed to fit  
the bill except for being written in C, but I have not found any reference  
that gave me the information I needed to run programs outside of X.  I  
loved Midnight Commander, but where is it now?  I found it again in  
Kubuntu 8.10 but that was the last time.  I started using Linux with  
Debian Potato and loved it, but never got a printer working nor the USB  
modem I wanted to use, so I was stuck with Windows.  The whole story is  
too much for the list.



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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-19 Thread Jochen Schulz

(Sorry, cannot comment on your sound issues.)

Cecil Knutson:
 
 […] but I have not 
 found any reference that gave me the information I needed to run programs 
 outside of X.

Just Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in, start your program.

 I loved Midnight Commander, but where is it now?

In the Debian archive. :) Just 'aptitude install mc' and you'll get it.

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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-19 Thread Celejar

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:04:49 -0800
Cecil Knutson ce...@qwestoffice.net wrote:

...

 running programs (DesqView I did like).  I would prefer an OS written in  
 Assembly language, no GUI, but multi-tasking capable.  Linux seemed to fit  

MikeOS is an operating system for x86 PCs, written in assembly
language. It is a learning tool to show how simple OSes work, with
well-commented code and extensive documentation.

http://mikeos.berlios.de/

Don't know how featureful it is, and whether it supports multi-tasking.

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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-19 Thread peasthope

Cecil,

Date:   Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:04:49 -0800,
 I don't like GUIs (I  
 prefer words and drop-down menus to icons) but do like the multiple  
 running programs (DesqView I did like).  I would prefer an OS written in  
 Assembly language, no GUI, but multi-tasking capable.

You might find NO or A2 helpful.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluebottle_OS;
  
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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-19 Thread Stephen Powell

I am subscribed to the list; so all e-mails sent to the list are
forwarded to me.  There is no need to CC me.  Doing so gives me two
copies.

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:04:49 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
 How would I find out if something else is wrong with the installation?

I really don't know.  I've just never seen epiphany or iceweasel hang
as you describe, especially on such an innocuous site as
http://www.debian.org.  Is your PC fairly new?  Lenny became the stable
release in February of 2009, and it was frozen in August of 2008.
If your hardware is fairly new then Lenny might not have drivers new
enough.  You might need to try Squeeze, the current testing release.

 I've gone through the Testing section of your page to no avail.   
 Alsamixer on this machine does not have any settings for CD, FM, nor DSP.

That's not necessarily a problem.  CD is for
traditional analog CD playback.  Hardware vendors tend to skimp.
They may expect you to play CDs using the ripping method, which
involves reading the audio CD as digital data and sending it to
the PCM device.  FM is for FM synthesis.  Many newer machines don't
have an FM synthesizer.  They may have a wavetable synthesizer or
they may expect you to do MIDI synthesis in software, using something
like timidity.  DSP is for a digital signal processor.  The DSP is
usually there to support an internal winmodem.  Many newer machines have
no internal modem.

 It has IEC958 C,F,R; Analog C,F,R,S and Capture.  I set them all for 100%  
 and unmuted IEC958.

No PCM device?  That's a problem.  No PCM, no sound.  It's got to
have a PCM device.

 Still no sound out of any of the ports.  I saw  
 nothing in the syslog about sound errors or failures, but I didn't see any  
 alsa starting.  May have missed it.  I installed the Gnome sounds,  
 rebooted, opened Preferences-Sound; selected System Sounds, clicked on  
 Play...no sound.

You've got to walk before you can run.  Never mind GNOME system sounds
for now.  Go back and check alsamixer again.  If there's no PCM device,
in alsamixer there's no hope.  Output of lsmod would be useful.
Please provide that.  Normally, the PCI hot-plug system will identify
the sound chip and load the appropriate kernel module.  We need to
check to see if it's loaded.

 I haven't configured Alsa for PCM software mixing as I  
 didn't get any sound after the Gnome configuration.  Would it help?  Oh,  
 yeah...the selection in Default Mixer Tracks is CA0106(Alsa mixer), if  
 it makes any difference.

Again, you've got to crawl first, then walk, then run.  Let's hold off
on that.  Step 1 is to provide the output of lsmod.  Let's make sure
that an appropriate kernel sound module is loaded.  Also, it would help
if you would provide, as specifically as possible, the Make and model
of your computer, the make and model of your soundcard, and especially,
the audio chipset(s) used on your sound card.  I know you provided some
info in your initial post, but please try to include all of that info
in the follow-up post.


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Re: Two Lenny problems


Stephen, here is the output of lsmod:

Module  Size  Used by
binfmt_misc 7560  1
radeon118720  2
drm65288  3 radeon
agpgart28808  1 drm
ppdev   6468  0
lp  8164  0
ipv6  235396  20
speedstep_lib   4516  0
cpufreq_stats   3776  0
cpufreq_powersave   1856  0
cpufreq_ondemand6476  0
cpufreq_userspace   3172  0
cpufreq_conservative 5960  0
freq_table  4224  2 cpufreq_stats,cpufreq_ondemand
loop   12748  0
snd_intel8x0   26268  0
snd_seq_dummy   2660  0
snd_ca0106 27584  3
snd_seq_oss24992  0
snd_seq_midi5728  0
snd_rawmidi18496  2 snd_ca0106,snd_seq_midi
parport_pc 22500  1
parport30988  3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc
snd_ac97_codec 88452  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106
snd_seq_midi_event  6432  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_pcm_oss32800  0
snd_mixer_oss  12320  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq41456  6  
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_pcm62660  5  
snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss

ac97_bus1728  1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_timer  17800  3 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_seq_device  6380  5  
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq

i2c_i8017920  0
i2c_core   19828  1 i2c_i801
snd45636  15  
snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_seq_device

pcspkr  2432  0
rng_core3940  0
soundcore   6368  1 snd
snd_page_alloc  7816  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106,snd_pcm
usblp  10592  0
button  6096  0
dcdbas  6272  0
evdev   8000  3
ext3  105576  5
jbd39476  1 ext3
mbcache 7108  1 ext3
sd_mod 22200  7
ide_cd_mod 27684  0
cdrom  30176  1 ide_cd_mod
ahci   23596  0
ata_generic 4676  0
ata_piix   14180  6
libata140448  3 ahci,ata_generic,ata_piix
scsi_mod  129548  2 sd_mod,libata
dock8304  1 libata
usbhid 35904  0
hid33184  1 usbhid
ff_memless  4392  1 usbhid
floppy 47716  0
piix6568  0 [permanent]
ide_pci_generic 3908  0 [permanent]
ide_core   96168  3 ide_cd_mod,piix,ide_pci_generic
ehci_hcd   28428  0
uhci_hcd   18672  0
usbcore   118192  5 usblp,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
tg384676  0
thermal15228  0
processor  32576  1 thermal
fan 4196  0
thermal_sys10856  3 thermal,processor,fan

Sorry about the cc, I wasn't sure my response would go to the list too, so  
I cc'd to the list.  This is being sent to the list only.
This machine is a Dell Dimension 8400/Dual-core PIV/3.0GHz/4GB RAM/SATA  
controller.  The sound card is a Creative Sound Blaster Live 24-bit with a  
Creative CA0106-DAT chip on it(which explains the Default Mixer Device  
listing), Model SD0410 .  I don't know where the Intel ICH6-IEC958 comes  
from, there is no chip on the MB with that designation.  There might be, a  
chip with a heat sink has heat sink compound on it and can't be read and I  
don't want to rub it off.  It is usually the sister to the Intel 82801FR  
chip.  Do they have something to do with sound?  This machine does have an  
internal modem, but I didn't remember to see the model/brand while I had  
the case open.  I see snd_pcm under snd_page_alloc above, is that what  
you're looking for?




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RE: Two Lenny Problems


Stephen, here is the output of lsmod:

Module  Size  Used by
binfmt_misc 7560  1
radeon118720  2
drm65288  3 radeon
agpgart28808  1 drm
ppdev   6468  0
lp  8164  0
ipv6  235396  20
speedstep_lib   4516  0
cpufreq_stats   3776  0
cpufreq_powersave   1856  0
cpufreq_ondemand6476  0
cpufreq_userspace   3172  0
cpufreq_conservative 5960  0
freq_table  4224  2 cpufreq_stats,cpufreq_ondemand
loop   12748  0
snd_intel8x0   26268  0
snd_seq_dummy   2660  0
snd_ca0106 27584  3
snd_seq_oss24992  0
snd_seq_midi5728  0
snd_rawmidi18496  2 snd_ca0106,snd_seq_midi
parport_pc 22500  1
parport30988  3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc
snd_ac97_codec 88452  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106
snd_seq_midi_event  6432  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_pcm_oss32800  0
snd_mixer_oss  12320  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq41456  6  
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_pcm62660  5  
snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss

ac97_bus1728  1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_timer  17800  3 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_seq_device  6380  5  
snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq

i2c_i8017920  0
i2c_core   19828  1 i2c_i801
snd45636  15  
snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_seq_device

pcspkr  2432  0
rng_core3940  0
soundcore   6368  1 snd
snd_page_alloc  7816  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106,snd_pcm
usblp  10592  0
button  6096  0
dcdbas  6272  0
evdev   8000  3
ext3  105576  5
jbd39476  1 ext3
mbcache 7108  1 ext3
sd_mod 22200  7
ide_cd_mod 27684  0
cdrom  30176  1 ide_cd_mod
ahci   23596  0
ata_generic 4676  0
ata_piix   14180  6
libata140448  3 ahci,ata_generic,ata_piix
scsi_mod  129548  2 sd_mod,libata
dock8304  1 libata
usbhid 35904  0
hid33184  1 usbhid
ff_memless  4392  1 usbhid
floppy 47716  0
piix6568  0 [permanent]
ide_pci_generic 3908  0 [permanent]
ide_core   96168  3 ide_cd_mod,piix,ide_pci_generic
ehci_hcd   28428  0
uhci_hcd   18672  0
usbcore   118192  5 usblp,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
tg384676  0
thermal15228  0
processor  32576  1 thermal
fan 4196  0
thermal_sys10856  3 thermal,processor,fan

Sorry about the cc, I wasn't sure my response would go to the list too, so  
I cc'd to the list.  This is being sent to the list only.
This machine is a Dell Dimension 8400/Dual-core PIV/3.0GHz/4GB RAM/SATA  
controller.  The sound card is a Creative Sound Blaster Live 24-bit with a  
Creative CA0106-DAT chip on it(which explains the Default Mixer Device  
listing), Model SD0410 .  I don't know where the Intel ICH6-IEC958 comes  
from, there is no chip on the MB with that designation.  There might be, a  
chip with a heat sink has heat sink compound on it and can't be read and I  
don't want to rub it off.  It is usually the sister to the Intel 82801FR  
chip.  Do they have something to do with sound?  This machine does have an  
internal modem, but I didn't remember to see the model/brand while I had  
the case open.  I see snd_pcm under snd_page_alloc above, is that what  
you're looking for?


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-19 Thread Stephen Powell

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:03:27 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
Stephen, here is the output of lsmod:
 
 Module  Size  Used by
 binfmt_misc 7560  1
 radeon118720  2
 drm65288  3 radeon
 agpgart28808  1 drm
 ppdev   6468  0
 lp  8164  0
 ipv6  235396  20
 speedstep_lib   4516  0
 cpufreq_stats   3776  0
 cpufreq_powersave   1856  0
 cpufreq_ondemand6476  0
 cpufreq_userspace   3172  0
 cpufreq_conservative 5960  0
 freq_table  4224  2 cpufreq_stats,cpufreq_ondemand
 loop   12748  0
 snd_intel8x0   26268  0
 snd_seq_dummy   2660  0
 snd_ca0106 27584  3
 snd_seq_oss24992  0
 snd_seq_midi5728  0
 snd_rawmidi18496  2 snd_ca0106,snd_seq_midi
 parport_pc 22500  1
 parport30988  3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc
 snd_ac97_codec 88452  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106
 snd_seq_midi_event  6432  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
 snd_pcm_oss32800  0
 snd_mixer_oss  12320  1 snd_pcm_oss
 snd_seq41456  6  
 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
 snd_pcm62660  5  
 snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
 ac97_bus1728  1 snd_ac97_codec
 snd_timer  17800  3 snd_seq,snd_pcm
 snd_seq_device  6380  5  
 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
 i2c_i8017920  0
 i2c_core   19828  1 i2c_i801
 snd45636  15  
 snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_ac97_codec,
  snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
 pcspkr  2432  0
 rng_core3940  0
 soundcore   6368  1 snd
 snd_page_alloc  7816  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ca0106,snd_pcm
 usblp  10592  0
 button  6096  0
 dcdbas  6272  0
 evdev   8000  3
 ext3  105576  5
 jbd39476  1 ext3
 mbcache 7108  1 ext3
 sd_mod 22200  7
 ide_cd_mod 27684  0
 cdrom  30176  1 ide_cd_mod
 ahci   23596  0
 ata_generic 4676  0
 ata_piix   14180  6
 libata140448  3 ahci,ata_generic,ata_piix
 scsi_mod  129548  2 sd_mod,libata
 dock8304  1 libata
 usbhid 35904  0
 hid33184  1 usbhid
 ff_memless  4392  1 usbhid
 floppy 47716  0
 piix6568  0 [permanent]
 ide_pci_generic 3908  0 [permanent]
 ide_core   96168  3 ide_cd_mod,piix,ide_pci_generic
 ehci_hcd   28428  0
 uhci_hcd   18672  0
 usbcore   118192  5 usblp,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
 tg384676  0
 thermal15228  0
 processor  32576  1 thermal
 fan 4196  0
 thermal_sys10856  3 thermal,processor,fan
 
 Sorry about the cc, I wasn't sure my response would go to the list too, so  
 I cc'd to the list.  This is being sent to the list only.

 This machine is a Dell Dimension 8400/Dual-core PIV/3.0GHz/4GB RAM/SATA  
 controller.  The sound card is a Creative Sound Blaster Live 24-bit with a  
 Creative CA0106-DAT chip on it(which explains the Default Mixer Device  
 listing), Model SD0410 .  I don't know where the Intel ICH6-IEC958 comes  
 from, there is no chip on the MB with that designation.  There might be, a  
 chip with a heat sink has heat sink compound on it and can't be read and I  
 don't want to rub it off.  It is usually the sister to the Intel 82801FR  
 chip.  Do they have something to do with sound?  This machine does have an  
 internal modem, but I didn't remember to see the model/brand while I had  
 the case open.  I see snd_pcm under snd_page_alloc above, is that what  
 you're looking for?

No, that's not what I'm looking for.  snd_pcm is a generic kernel module
for handling wave audio.  But it needs a specific sound card driver
to talk to.  I'm talking about the column labels in alsamixer.

Something is puzzling me about the output of lsmod.  Two of the loaded
modules, snd_intel8x0 and snd_ca0106, appear to be primary sound card
drivers.  But you only have one sound card, right?  I checked the aliases
of the two modules to see if there were any that were the same, but they
don't seem to have any aliases in common.  Hmm...

Please provide the following additional information:

1. The output of lspci

2. *All* the column names in alsamixer for the playback view.
Invoke alsamixer.  Look in the
top left corner of the screen.  It should have four labels: Card, Chip,
View, and Item.  For example, on my Dell Dimension 4400 it says:

   Card: SBLive! Value

Re: Two Lenny problems


dimension8400:/home/cecil# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82925X/XE Memory Controller Hub  
(rev 04)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82925X/XE PCI Express Root Port (rev  
04)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)  
PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)  
PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03)

00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev d3)
00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation  
82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FR (ICH6/ICH6R) LPC  
Interface Bridge (rev 03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
Family) IDE Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FR/FRW (ICH6R/ICH6RW) SATA  
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus  
Controller (rev 03)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon  
X300 (PCIE)]

01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE]
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751  
Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01)
04:00.0 Modem: Intel Corporation FA82537EP 56K V.92 Data/Fax Modem PCI  
(rev 04)

04:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS

Alsamixer: card: CA0106; Chip: (blank); View: [Playback]; Item: IEC958
Columns from left to right: IEC958, IEC958 C, IEC958 F, IEC958 R, IEC958  
U, Analog C, Analog F, Analog R, Analog S, Capture.

Sheesh! there are many more columns in your instance than mine.

Yes, There is only one sound card, the Creative Sound Blaster Live.  So,  
why are there two listings for Multimedia Audio Controller?


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Re: Two Lenny problems

2010-02-19 Thread Stephen Powell

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:11:05 -0500 (EST), Cecil Knutson wrote:
 
 dimension8400:/home/cecil# lspci
 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82925X/XE Memory Controller Hub  
 (rev 04)
 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82925X/XE PCI Express Root Port (rev  
 04)
 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)  
 PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)  
 PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03)
 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
 Family) USB UHCI #1 (rev 03)
 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
 Family) USB UHCI #2 (rev 03)
 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
 Family) USB UHCI #3 (rev 03)
 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
 Family) USB UHCI #4 (rev 03)
 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 03)
 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev d3)
 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation  
 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FR (ICH6/ICH6R) LPC  
 Interface Bridge (rev 03)
 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6  
 Family) IDE Controller (rev 03)
 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FR/FRW (ICH6R/ICH6RW) SATA  
 Controller (rev 03)
 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus  
 Controller (rev 03)
 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon  
 X300 (PCIE)]
 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE]
 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751  
 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01)
 04:00.0 Modem: Intel Corporation FA82537EP 56K V.92 Data/Fax Modem PCI  
 (rev 04)
 04:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
 
 Alsamixer: card: CA0106; Chip: (blank); View: [Playback]; Item: IEC958
 Columns from left to right: IEC958, IEC958 C, IEC958 F, IEC958 R, IEC958  
 U, Analog C, Analog F, Analog R, Analog S, Capture.
 Sheesh! there are many more columns in your instance than mine.
 
 Yes, There is only one sound card, the Creative Sound Blaster Live.  So,  
 why are there two listings for Multimedia Audio Controller?

Hmm...

I'm wondering if the Intel sound chip is intended to support
the Intel winmodem.  (You've seen my rant against winmodems
already; so you know how I feel about them.)  And maybe that is
confusing Linux.  Let's try blacklisting the snd_intel8x0 kernel
module and see what happens.  Follow the instructions for 
blacklisting given in my web page.  Then shutdown and reboot.
Then try alsamixer again and see if you have more columns.  In
particular, we need to see a column labeled PCM or there is no hope
for sound.


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Re: Two Lenny problems