Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On Sat 04 Jan 2020 at 12:48:56 +, Brian wrote: > On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 14:36:38 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > Not an acceptable solution. > > Debian can deal simply with repositories on multiple sites. > > Why not deal similarly with repositories on multiple files? > > David Wright has offered apt-cacher-ng as a solution and I will mention > apt-cdrom. There is enough there to keep you occupied until mid-2020. :) What goes around comes around. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/01/msg00477.html The problem is that you have labelled loop mounting an ISO as a kludge and see https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Archive+USBStick as not offering a solution. Having eliminated the only two viable alternatives, there isn't anything to offer. Other users would wonder what it is that you want to do. I am loath to say it, but your approach to this issue is not acceptable. -- Brian.
Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 23:16:29 +, Brian wrote: > On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 14:36:38 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 01/03/2020 12:38 PM, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 10:30:24 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > > I have a large hard disk but a low data cap on my internet connection. > > > > > > Into every life a little rain must fall. > > > > I have all the distribution DVDs stored as *.ISO files in a single > > > > directory on my hard disk. > > > > > > Splendid; all you have to do is extract the files you want from the > > > ISOs. > > > > Not an acceptable solution. > > Fine, don't use the technique. It is a solution that is well-tested, > employed by many users, works reliably and is capable of constructing > a single repository. And one you could benefit from. Not choosing it leaves you with one other option or going round in circles. > > Debian can deal simply with repositories on multiple sites. > > Why not deal similarly with repositories on multiple files? > > Each repository that apt deals with on a site is a unified, coherent, > organised, single repository. When you find a way of dealing with the > discrete repository on each ISO, please let us know. Have you got the idea now? You can either deal with each ISO repository one by one or you can construct a single archive as detailed at https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Archive+USBStick -- Brian.
Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On Sat 04 Jan 2020 at 10:19:15 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > And... the story of user-mounting is admittedly a bit incomplete at > the moment. Mounting a file system is a somewhat dangerous operation, > because file system code is fiendishly complex, and due to historical > reasons (changing a storage device required screwdrivers not a long > ago) mounting a file system was considered to be Something For The > Admin (TM). But we're getting there. I have no problem mounting an ISO image as a user: brian@desktop:~/buster-jigdo$ udevil mount debian-10.2.0-i386-DVD-1.iso Mounted /home/brian/buster-jigdo/debian-10.2.0-i386-DVD-1.iso at /media/debian-10.2.0-i386-DVD-1.iso brian@desktop:~/buster-jigdo$ mount /dev/loop0 on /media/debian-10.2.0-i386-DVD-1.iso type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,uid=1000,gid=1000) I feel I am misunderstanding you. -- Brian.
Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 14:36:38 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 01/03/2020 12:38 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 10:30:24 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > I have a large hard disk but a low data cap on my internet connection. > > > > Into every life a little rain must fall. > > > I have all the distribution DVDs stored as *.ISO files in a single > > > directory on my hard disk. > > > > Splendid; all you have to do is extract the files you want from the > > ISOs. > > Not an acceptable solution. > Debian can deal simply with repositories on multiple sites. > Why not deal similarly with repositories on multiple files? David Wright has offered apt-cacher-ng as a solution and I will mention apt-cdrom. There is enough there to keep you occupied until mid-2020. :) __ Brian
Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 11:16:29PM +, Brian wrote: [...] > > Debian can deal simply with repositories on multiple sites. > > Why not deal similarly with repositories on multiple files? > > Each repository that apt deals with on a site is a unified, coherent, > organised, single repository. When you find a way of dealing with the > discrete repository on each ISO, please let us know. *And* -- not to be forgotten, the file systems the packages reside in are *all mounted, all the time* (although they're probably something else than ISO). Is there a pattern? Sorry if it sounds a bit sarcastic. It was somewhat tongue-in-cheek admittedly, although not really in bad intention. Richard, an ISO file system is a *file system*. The intended way to access its innards is mounting it. And... the story of user-mounting is admittedly a bit incomplete at the moment. Mounting a file system is a somewhat dangerous operation, because file system code is fiendishly complex, and due to historical reasons (changing a storage device required screwdrivers not a long ago) mounting a file system was considered to be Something For The Admin (TM). But we're getting there. Getting it wrong leads to a never-ending sitcom, as Microsoft has shown (remember boot sector virus? remember those music CDs by Sony BMG which installed a malw --eh-- driver on your Windows computer which controlled the number of copies you could make of things? Remember Stuxnet, whose vector into some highly secured uranium enrichment plant reportedly were USB sticks?). Those are but three randomly chosen sequences of a long chain of pain. So I'm glad we're moving somewhat slowly in that area. But I disgress. Cheers -- tomás signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 14:22:46 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 01/03/2020 10:51 AM, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 10:30:24 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: > > > I have a large hard disk but a low data cap on my internet connection. > > > > > > I have all the distribution DVDs stored as *.ISO files in a single > > > directory on my hard disk. > > > > > > It would *SEEM* to be logical to use the "file option" of sources.list . > > > HOWEVER, all I've ever seen is the kludge of individually loop > > > mounting all the ISO files. > > > > > > Is that my only option? > > > TIA > > > > Is this a rerun of the thread > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/05/msg01463.html > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/06/msg00040.html > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/06/msg00042.html > > > > Overly simplistic answer: No > Better answer: > No. That thread had a different starting point and a different goal. > However, when viewed as multidimensional surfaces, they intersect. Well the starting point appears to be ISOs stored on hard drives rather than on the original DVDs, and the goal appears to be installing packages, and perhaps systems, from them using the usual Debian tools like apt and synaptic. Perhaps you could point out the differences. My suggestion obviously remains the same, which is to feed the debs to apt-cacher-ng for it to sort out into a repository, and install packages from there. For installing packages, the client and server can be the same machine, but obviously not when you're installing systems, which, on past form, you intend to do. apt-cacher-ng should be able to meld not only multiple DVDs from the same Debian release, but also cope with a number of releases, though I would always recommend that apt-cacher-ng be run on a release no older than those it's caching for. It usually works (my wheezy one served wheezy, jessie and stretch systems), but can get tripped up occasionally by things like new compression formats. Despite the many threads in this place that concern how you might connect two of your machines to form a network, I have no idea whether you ever achieved this feat, but it would be required for performing installing systems. > Brian pointed to https://wiki.debian.org/ManipulatingISOs . > Section 4. "Loopmount an ISO Without Administrative Privileges" may > hint at a solution to my *current* problem. > > I'll have to re-read some posts in thread you referenced. I was under the impression that the appropriate line in sources.list had been revealed by Brian during a series of soliloquies in the thread referred to above. But again, that might work with installing packages rather than systems. (Both threads only said "*using* ISO images as repositories".) > Part of the problem revolves around how Linux is documented. Although > I've flunked a number of college composition courses over last > decades, I do recall a dictum "Who is your audience?" I presume that's some sort of veiled criticism of the fact that the Debian and linux documentation doesn't in general address your specific and unusual problems. There do exist *books*, and I've previously posted links for free downloads of older editions of some of them. Cheers, David.
Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 14:36:38 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 01/03/2020 12:38 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 10:30:24 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > I have a large hard disk but a low data cap on my internet connection. > > > > Into every life a little rain must fall. > > > I have all the distribution DVDs stored as *.ISO files in a single > > > directory on my hard disk. > > > > Splendid; all you have to do is extract the files you want from the > > ISOs. > > Not an acceptable solution. Fine, don't use the technique. It is a solution that is well-tested, employed by many users, works reliably and is capable of constructing a single repository. > Debian can deal simply with repositories on multiple sites. > Why not deal similarly with repositories on multiple files? Each repository that apt deals with on a site is a unified, coherent, organised, single repository. When you find a way of dealing with the discrete repository on each ISO, please let us know. > > > There is an excellent wiki page detailing a number of techniques > > at > > > >https://wiki.debian.org/ManipulatingISOs > > Section 4: Loopmount an ISO Without Administrative Privileges > gives intriguing hints with a *VAST* lack of details. > [will search man pages] > > > > > > It would *SEEM* to be logical to use the "file option" of sources.list . > > > HOWEVER, all I've ever seen is the kludge of individually loop mounting > > > all > > > the ISO files. > > > > If the logical method doesn't work for you, it is likely that the logic > > is flawed. There is a superb wiki page at > > > >https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Archive+USBStick > > That references a *VERY* different problem set. > > > > That should make your New Year happier. > > rofl It is possible that I have misunderstood the issue. Your starting point appears to be the Debian files on your ISO files. What is is your desired end point? -- Brian. > > > >
Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On 01/03/2020 12:38 PM, Brian wrote: On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 10:30:24 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a large hard disk but a low data cap on my internet connection. Into every life a little rain must fall. I have all the distribution DVDs stored as *.ISO files in a single directory on my hard disk. Splendid; all you have to do is extract the files you want from the ISOs. Not an acceptable solution. Debian can deal simply with repositories on multiple sites. Why not deal similarly with repositories on multiple files? There is an excellent wiki page detailing a number of techniques at https://wiki.debian.org/ManipulatingISOs Section 4: Loopmount an ISO Without Administrative Privileges gives intriguing hints with a *VAST* lack of details. [will search man pages] It would *SEEM* to be logical to use the "file option" of sources.list . HOWEVER, all I've ever seen is the kludge of individually loop mounting all the ISO files. If the logical method doesn't work for you, it is likely that the logic is flawed. There is a superb wiki page at https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Archive+USBStick That references a *VERY* different problem set. That should make your New Year happier. rofl
Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On 01/03/2020 10:51 AM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 10:30:24 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: I have a large hard disk but a low data cap on my internet connection. I have all the distribution DVDs stored as *.ISO files in a single directory on my hard disk. It would *SEEM* to be logical to use the "file option" of sources.list . HOWEVER, all I've ever seen is the kludge of individually loop mounting all the ISO files. Is that my only option? TIA Is this a rerun of the thread https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/05/msg01463.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/06/msg00040.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/06/msg00042.html Overly simplistic answer: No Better answer: No. That thread had a different starting point and a different goal. However, when viewed as multidimensional surfaces, they intersect. Brian pointed to https://wiki.debian.org/ManipulatingISOs . Section 4. "Loopmount an ISO Without Administrative Privileges" may hint at a solution to my *current* problem. I'll have to re-read some posts in thread you referenced. Part of the problem revolves around how Linux is documented. Although I've flunked a number of college composition courses over last decades, I do recall a dictum "Who is your audience?"
Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 10:30:24 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > I have a large hard disk but a low data cap on my internet connection. Into every life a little rain must fall. > I have all the distribution DVDs stored as *.ISO files in a single directory > on my hard disk. Splendid; all you have to do is extract the files you want from the ISOs. There is an excellent wiki page detailing a number of techniques at https://wiki.debian.org/ManipulatingISOs > It would *SEEM* to be logical to use the "file option" of sources.list . > HOWEVER, all I've ever seen is the kludge of individually loop mounting all > the ISO files. If the logical method doesn't work for you, it is likely that the logic is flawed. There is a superb wiki page at https://wiki.debian.org/Installation+Archive+USBStick That should make your New Year happier. -- Brian.
Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On Fri 03 Jan 2020 at 10:30:24 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: > I have a large hard disk but a low data cap on my internet connection. > > I have all the distribution DVDs stored as *.ISO files in a single > directory on my hard disk. > > It would *SEEM* to be logical to use the "file option" of sources.list . > HOWEVER, all I've ever seen is the kludge of individually loop > mounting all the ISO files. > > Is that my only option? > TIA Is this a rerun of the thread https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/05/msg01463.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/06/msg00040.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/06/msg00042.html Cheers, David.
Re: Using ISO images as a repository
On 03/01/2020 16:30, Richard Owlett wrote: I have a large hard disk but a low data cap on my internet connection. I have all the distribution DVDs stored as *.ISO files in a single directory on my hard disk. It would *SEEM* to be logical to use the "file option" of sources.list . HOWEVER, all I've ever seen is the kludge of individually loop mounting all the ISO files. Is that my only option? TIA No, not your only option. You could copy all the files locally and use dpkg-scanpackages. You could use reprepro. There are many ways to skin a cat. -- Michael Howard
Using ISO images as a repository
I have a large hard disk but a low data cap on my internet connection. I have all the distribution DVDs stored as *.ISO files in a single directory on my hard disk. It would *SEEM* to be logical to use the "file option" of sources.list . HOWEVER, all I've ever seen is the kludge of individually loop mounting all the ISO files. Is that my only option? TIA
