Re: VM software for personal use?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Allums wrote: On 4/26/2010 5:24 PM, Clive McBarton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Allums wrote: Some people are scared of shared folders as possible attack vectors, thus security risks. What exactly are those risks? It depends on the mechanism used to share the folders. If if is through a network interface, then the risks are similar to the risks on any trusted intranet. OK. If the folders are provided by the VM internals, then the risk is what you can lose by a successful attack on the guest kernel or the host VM. And how much is that? Assuming there's one folder on the host that the guest can write to (that's what I understand by shared folder), than a successful attack can fill up space on the host, but that's it. It cannot get out of this folder as far as I can see. If the host VM is kernel-based, then the risk is that of a (host) kernel attack. OK. Note: I'm using risk as in what can you lose? If you mean attack vectors, then those should be evident I'm not sure I get the distinction risk vs attack vector. Nor do I find those particularly evident. Which is probably my lack of knowledge in that area. Could you please enlighten me here? Google Joanna Rutkowska. She probably knows as much as anyone about breaking out of a VM to attack the host. Just one person can do this? I feel safe now. I'm sure others on this list know more than I do about it. I hope they share their knowledge here, so I can learn. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkvaBk0ACgkQ+VSRxYk4408DpwCfVxGZgQGKka2YCBCZJToGQKFB 2iEAn0CucSotl67SjbdQBAMAOPRNhg4S =zYGb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bda064d.5010...@web.de
Re: VM software for personal use?
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 07:34:49PM -0600, ghe g...@slsware.com was heard to say: On 4/25/10 7:10 PM, Richard Lawrence wrote: http://losak.sourceforge.net/ A Lisp OS!!??? Could be, I guess. I once worked at a place where they claimed to have written an accounting package in BASIC. I think I'd stick with VirtualBox... Stop making me feel old. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100427135302.gb29...@emurlahn.burrows.local
Re: VM software for personal use?
On 4/26/2010 5:24 PM, Clive McBarton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Allums wrote: Some people are scared of shared folders as possible attack vectors, thus security risks. What exactly are those risks? (For me, personally, it's theoretical, as I only am repeating things I have picked up. It may be out of date, now, but if I had to guess, the level of threat has only grown.) It depends on the mechanism used to share the folders. If if is through a network interface, then the risks are similar to the risks on any trusted intranet. If the folders are provided by the VM internals, then the risk is what you can lose by a successful attack on the guest kernel or the host VM. If the host VM is kernel-based, then the risk is that of a (host) kernel attack. Note: I'm using risk as in what can you lose? If you mean attack vectors, then those should be evident; again, I am not a security reseacher. Google Joanna Rutkowska. She probably knows as much as anyone about breaking out of a VM to attack the host. I'm sure others on this list know more than I do about it. MAA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd7a9d3.7040...@allums.com
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On 4/25/2010 8:34 PM, ghe wrote: On 4/25/10 7:10 PM, Richard Lawrence wrote: http://losak.sourceforge.net/ A Lisp OS!!??? Could be, I guess. I once worked at a place where they claimed to have written an accounting package in BASIC. I think I'd stick with VirtualBox... Am I detecting sarcasm? A flashback to the late seventies? Seriously, all accounting packages were written in BASIC until the early nineties, at least. Still are, if you count MS Visual Basic as BASIC. MAA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd5478b.7060...@allums.com
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Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/25/2010 09:39 PM, John Hasler wrote: Glenn English writes: A Lisp OS!!??? Pikers.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine I once worked at a place where they claimed to have written an accounting package in BASIC. I used a commercial accounting package written in BASIC. Worked fine. Snot-nosed kids never heard of Business BASIC or MAI Basic-4, or know the sublime beauty of COBOL written by masters of the craft. Used LISP for years at IBM Research Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hr48cb$6q...@dough.gmane.org
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B. Alexander wrote: Amen to that! IMHO, vmware merely pays lip service to Linux. 12 years ago, when we were using Linux on the job, we (and many, many others) were asking for a Linux client. We are now at VSphere 4, and still only windows clients. VMware server is even worse. It runs on Linux, and it worked okay, but you are frozen in time -- no updates -- lest you break your install. I did that on my vmware server installation, and then I upgraded. I could not get the vmware modules to compile on a reasonably modern kernel. So I went back to an earlier kernel (2.6.30, iirc), and once I got the modules compiled, the web interface only worked about one time in 3. So I am pretty much done with vmware. Now, since I only have 32 bit machines, I guess I'll be doing Xen, since as good as it is, VBox is good for desktop-type virtualization, rather than machine consolidation. Even with it's vboxheadless functionality, its still a bit too dodgy for a group of machines that need to stay up. --b On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com mailto:hvw59...@care2.com wrote: Mark Allums wrote: On 4/23/2010 11:31 AM, Richard Lawrence wrote: Hi all, P.S. Apologies if this question seems too far off-topic for debian-user. If there's a better place to ask this question, I'd like to know that, too. Virtualbox meets more of your individual criteria than anything else I can think of, but the open source edition lacks USB. I would consider the non-OSE version for now, but only if I were prepared to migrate to something else, later, depending on what Oracle may choose to to with it, now that they own Sun. Some version of QEMU with KVM will always work, but you definitely need the KVM bits, because by itself QEMU is not a speed demon. I enjoy Xen-like hypervisors from an aesthetics point-of-view, but the best ones are not free in any sense. Microsoft's Hyper-V flat-out costs money, and VMware's ESXi comes with too much baggage. Xen itself is still in a state of flux, and though the 2.6.32 kernel version is much more stable than previous versions, I wouldn't call it ready for prime time. And I am getting tired of always having to look around for fixes to VMware's server whenever you upgrade your kernel, it appears their Linux attention leaves something to be desired. Except... what works very nice in VMware is the NAT and Host Only network setups: works out of the box. You share your home dir thru samba. On XP all I had to setup was a netuse * to mount a net fs. Do the others do it that easy? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hr48l8$8f...@dough.gmane.org
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On 4/26/10 8:35 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Used LISP for years at IBM Research No, no, no. Lisp is a perfectly fine language. There are just others more suited for systems work. -- Glenn English g...@slsware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd5a8ed.5070...@slsware.com
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ghe wrote: On 4/26/10 8:35 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Used LISP for years at IBM Research No, no, no. Lisp is a perfectly fine language. There are just others more suited for systems work. As someone else pointed out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine There have been more than one machines built - both academic and commercial - that ran LISP environments on bare metal. Great environments. -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. Infnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd5ac66.5060...@meetinghouse.net
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Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Except... what works very nice in VMware is the NAT and Host Only network setups: works out of the box. You share your home dir thru samba. On XP all I had to setup was a netuse * to mount a net fs. Do the others do it that easy? Yes [1]. VBox even has kernel additions which implement shared directories over a specialized interface with a virtual filesystem (vboxfs) [2]. Hugo QEMU and Xen might not be as straightforward for a desktop end-user, but their users certainly won't find it difficult. -thib [1] http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html [2] http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#sharedfolders -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd5dc07.9060...@stammed.net
Re: VM software for personal use?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Allums wrote: Some people are scared of shared folders as possible attack vectors, thus security risks. What exactly are those risks? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkvWErIACgkQ+VSRxYk440/yagCgpGbHFBQjg7hR3cTuLVaKloGm R6QAoIurlXiK/EBR6ei+5eCKYyKDAyjY =PBJS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd612b2.1060...@web.de
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On 4/24/2010 4:27 PM, Andreas Weber wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: Except for USB the package virtualbox-ose in Debian will meet all your requirements. (OSE stands for Open Source Edition) If USB is a must you can use the repos from Sun (the USB stuff is non-free). If USB is a must, stick the device in, mount it and open a shared folder in Virtualbox OSE on the mount point for it. That easy. That works on disk-like devices, not so much on other things. Some people are scared of shared folders as possible attack vectors, thus security risks. MAA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd3e06e.9050...@allums.com
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On 4/24/2010 4:56 PM, B. Alexander wrote: . Even with it's vboxheadless functionality, its [vbox is] still a bit too dodgy for a group of machines that need to stay up. I would have said that about Xen. (OP did say personal use, so I assumed desktop.) MAA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd3e137.6050...@allums.com
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Mark Allums wrote: That works on disk-like devices, not so much on other things. Some people are scared of shared folders as possible attack vectors, thus security risks. This is absolutely correct, my answer was too shortsighted, sorry for that. I must confess that for the last 2 years I only had the VM with XP up and running for some very old software, and data + printing from it was all it took. And all other real-life problems work so great with Debian - why bother? ;-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Sat,24.Apr.10, 23:27:03, Andreas Weber wrote: If USB is a must, stick the device in, mount it and open a shared folder in Virtualbox OSE on the mount point for it. That easy. The only time I had to setup the non-OSE version was due to the iPhone not being properly supported on Linux :| Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:44:21PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Fri,23.Apr.10, 09:31:45, Richard Lawrence wrote: I am looking to run some virtual machines for personal use: I'd like ... I value: - free over non-free - ease of use and good documentation over performance - installation via apt and reasonable default configuration - simple networking on commodity hardware - other basic integration with host OS services (perhaps file sharing, USB, printing) Except for USB the package virtualbox-ose in Debian will meet all your requirements. (OSE stands for Open Source Edition) If USB is a must you can use the repos from Sun (the USB stuff is non-free). There's also this, although I've never tried it myself. USB over IP: http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100425115925.ga31...@aurora.owens.net
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Thanks to all who have replied! Looks like VirtualBox OSE may be the way for me to go for now, though I may also try my hand at QEMU. I found another lisp-based OS I might want to play around with, and they have QEMU images ready to boot: http://losak.sourceforge.net/ Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87pr1n10jt@berkeley.edu
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On 4/25/10 7:10 PM, Richard Lawrence wrote: http://losak.sourceforge.net/ A Lisp OS!!??? Could be, I guess. I once worked at a place where they claimed to have written an accounting package in BASIC. I think I'd stick with VirtualBox... -- Glenn English g...@slsware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd4edb9.3000...@slsware.com
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Glenn English writes: A Lisp OS!!??? Pikers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine I once worked at a place where they claimed to have written an accounting package in BASIC. I used a commercial accounting package written in BASIC. Worked fine. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sk6j6ipb@thumper.dhh.gt.org
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On 04/25/2010 09:39 PM, John Hasler wrote: Glenn English writes: A Lisp OS!!??? Pikers.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine I once worked at a place where they claimed to have written an accounting package in BASIC. I used a commercial accounting package written in BASIC. Worked fine. Snot-nosed kids never heard of Business BASIC or MAI Basic-4, or know the sublime beauty of COBOL written by masters of the craft. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd529ab.10...@cox.net
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On 4/23/2010 11:31 AM, Richard Lawrence wrote: Hi all, P.S. Apologies if this question seems too far off-topic for debian-user. If there's a better place to ask this question, I'd like to know that, too. Virtualbox meets more of your individual criteria than anything else I can think of, but the open source edition lacks USB. I would consider the non-OSE version for now, but only if I were prepared to migrate to something else, later, depending on what Oracle may choose to to with it, now that they own Sun. Some version of QEMU with KVM will always work, but you definitely need the KVM bits, because by itself QEMU is not a speed demon. I enjoy Xen-like hypervisors from an aesthetics point-of-view, but the best ones are not free in any sense. Microsoft's Hyper-V flat-out costs money, and VMware's ESXi comes with too much baggage. Xen itself is still in a state of flux, and though the 2.6.32 kernel version is much more stable than previous versions, I wouldn't call it ready for prime time. Good Luck MAA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd2b475.30...@allums.com
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On Fri,23.Apr.10, 09:31:45, Richard Lawrence wrote: I am looking to run some virtual machines for personal use: I'd like ... I value: - free over non-free - ease of use and good documentation over performance - installation via apt and reasonable default configuration - simple networking on commodity hardware - other basic integration with host OS services (perhaps file sharing, USB, printing) Except for USB the package virtualbox-ose in Debian will meet all your requirements. (OSE stands for Open Source Edition) If USB is a must you can use the repos from Sun (the USB stuff is non-free). Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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I'll join the Virtualbox is what you want/need wagon.
Re: VM software for personal use?
Mark Allums wrote: On 4/23/2010 11:31 AM, Richard Lawrence wrote: Hi all, P.S. Apologies if this question seems too far off-topic for debian-user. If there's a better place to ask this question, I'd like to know that, too. Virtualbox meets more of your individual criteria than anything else I can think of, but the open source edition lacks USB. I would consider the non-OSE version for now, but only if I were prepared to migrate to something else, later, depending on what Oracle may choose to to with it, now that they own Sun. Some version of QEMU with KVM will always work, but you definitely need the KVM bits, because by itself QEMU is not a speed demon. I enjoy Xen-like hypervisors from an aesthetics point-of-view, but the best ones are not free in any sense. Microsoft's Hyper-V flat-out costs money, and VMware's ESXi comes with too much baggage. Xen itself is still in a state of flux, and though the 2.6.32 kernel version is much more stable than previous versions, I wouldn't call it ready for prime time. And I am getting tired of always having to look around for fixes to VMware's server whenever you upgrade your kernel, it appears their Linux attention leaves something to be desired. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hqvg97$bk...@dough.gmane.org
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Andrei Popescu wrote: Except for USB the package virtualbox-ose in Debian will meet all your requirements. (OSE stands for Open Source Edition) If USB is a must you can use the repos from Sun (the USB stuff is non-free). If USB is a must, stick the device in, mount it and open a shared folder in Virtualbox OSE on the mount point for it. That easy. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Amen to that! IMHO, vmware merely pays lip service to Linux. 12 years ago, when we were using Linux on the job, we (and many, many others) were asking for a Linux client. We are now at VSphere 4, and still only windows clients. VMware server is even worse. It runs on Linux, and it worked okay, but you are frozen in time -- no updates -- lest you break your install. I did that on my vmware server installation, and then I upgraded. I could not get the vmware modules to compile on a reasonably modern kernel. So I went back to an earlier kernel (2.6.30, iirc), and once I got the modules compiled, the web interface only worked about one time in 3. So I am pretty much done with vmware. Now, since I only have 32 bit machines, I guess I'll be doing Xen, since as good as it is, VBox is good for desktop-type virtualization, rather than machine consolidation. Even with it's vboxheadless functionality, its still a bit too dodgy for a group of machines that need to stay up. --b On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote: Mark Allums wrote: On 4/23/2010 11:31 AM, Richard Lawrence wrote: Hi all, P.S. Apologies if this question seems too far off-topic for debian-user. If there's a better place to ask this question, I'd like to know that, too. Virtualbox meets more of your individual criteria than anything else I can think of, but the open source edition lacks USB. I would consider the non-OSE version for now, but only if I were prepared to migrate to something else, later, depending on what Oracle may choose to to with it, now that they own Sun. Some version of QEMU with KVM will always work, but you definitely need the KVM bits, because by itself QEMU is not a speed demon. I enjoy Xen-like hypervisors from an aesthetics point-of-view, but the best ones are not free in any sense. Microsoft's Hyper-V flat-out costs money, and VMware's ESXi comes with too much baggage. Xen itself is still in a state of flux, and though the 2.6.32 kernel version is much more stable than previous versions, I wouldn't call it ready for prime time. And I am getting tired of always having to look around for fixes to VMware's server whenever you upgrade your kernel, it appears their Linux attention leaves something to be desired. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hqvg97$bk...@dough.gmane.org
VM software for personal use?
Hi all, I am looking to run some virtual machines for personal use: I'd like to (attempt to) try out some alternative OSes from within my Lenny host. My goals are to be able to get a taste of some more exotic systems (maybe: BSD, Plan 9, Open Genera) without threatening my stable environment, and with easy cleanup. My understanding is that the easiest way to do this is to run these systems as virtual machines, though if others have different suggestions, please let me know. I would also just like to learn more about running a VM, since I'd like to be able to help my dad out. He has a Windows development machine that is choking to death on anti-virus software. It would be nice to be able to help him convert that into a VM inside GNU/Linux, so the machine will become usable again for things other that don't require Windows. I am wondering if others have recommendations for where to start with this project. I am pretty much a complete newb with respect to virtual machine technology; I don't really know how to assess whether Xen, VirtualBox, QEMU, KVM, or something else would be the best software for me to start learning. I value: - free over non-free - ease of use and good documentation over performance - installation via apt and reasonable default configuration - simple networking on commodity hardware - other basic integration with host OS services (perhaps file sharing, USB, printing) I realize that these things may not all come in the same package. But if they do, or if someone could give me some guidance about how to sort out the tradeoffs, I'd be most appreciative! Thanks, Richard P.S. Apologies if this question seems too far off-topic for debian-user. If there's a better place to ask this question, I'd like to know that, too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87y6ge166m@berkeley.edu
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This has been discussed before. Search the mailing-list archive. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/z2z6b1504c41004230940rd5991ebepd8b51a9524b4e...@mail.gmail.com
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Hi, Richard, I am running Windows XP 32 bit, Windows XP Pro 64 bit, and, at the moment, Ubuntu 10.04 in Virtual Box. Every just works, including the web, usb attachments, etc.. I recommend it. This is the non-free Sun version, though, as I didn't have a lot of luck (it was some time ago) with the packaged version. YMMV HTH Terence -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/y2mc7e110fe1004230945qd8d3d37zc5a50d60a3e8b...@mail.gmail.com
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Richard Lawrence richard.lawre...@berkeley.edu : I don't really know how to assess whether Xen, VirtualBox, QEMU, KVM, or something else would be the best software for me to start learning. KVM. Ubuntu has good documentation about it. -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche Developpement +261 34 29 155 34 / +261 33 11 207 36 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100423202313.35602...@pbmiha.malagasy.com
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On 04/23/2010 06:31 PM, Richard Lawrence wrote: Hi all, I am looking to run some virtual machines for personal use: I'd like to (attempt to) try out some alternative OSes from within my Lenny host. My goals are to be able to get a taste of some more exotic systems (maybe: BSD, Plan 9, Open Genera) without threatening my stable environment, and with easy cleanup. My understanding is that the easiest way to do this is to run these systems as virtual machines, though if others have different suggestions, please let me know. I would also just like to learn more about running a VM, since I'd like to be able to help my dad out. He has a Windows development machine that is choking to death on anti-virus software. It would be nice to be able to help him convert that into a VM inside GNU/Linux, so the machine will become usable again for things other that don't require Windows. I am wondering if others have recommendations for where to start with this project. I am pretty much a complete newb with respect to virtual machine technology; I don't really know how to assess whether Xen, VirtualBox, QEMU, KVM, or something else would be the best software for me to start learning. I value: - free over non-free - ease of use and good documentation over performance - installation via apt and reasonable default configuration - simple networking on commodity hardware - other basic integration with host OS services (perhaps file sharing, USB, printing) I realize that these things may not all come in the same package. But if they do, or if someone could give me some guidance about how to sort out the tradeoffs, I'd be most appreciative! Thanks, Richard P.S. Apologies if this question seems too far off-topic for debian-user. If there's a better place to ask this question, I'd like to know that, too. Hi, I have Sun VirtualBox. It's easy to use and install. The guests OS that I tried and work: Debian, MEPIS, OpenSolaris, OpenSuse, Solaris 10, XP and some other Linux distros. DesktopBSD and FreeBSD work but can't get GUI -that can be lack of my knowledge. Same with open VirtualBox except I think that there is no USB support. Aqemu (qemu) easy to use and install -DesktopBSD work's with GUI. I think that all VM have file sharing, printing depends on USB if you have USB printer. -- Bye, Goran Dobosevic Hrvatski: www.dobosevic.com English: www.dobosevic.com/en/ Registered Linux User #503414 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bd260c5.1020...@dobosevic.com
