On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:16:46 +1200, Chris wrote in message
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> On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 05:21:01PM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > On Friday 06 April 2012 17:02:05 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > Ummm, well, obviously if you have backports in your sources list
> > > you are no longe
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 05:29:47PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> I am not putting pressure on Debian to change.
Sorry... I do not feel pressure from your postings.
Debian practically release new system every 6 hours :-)
See "Life with eternal upgrades":
http://www.debian.org/d
On Saturday 07 April 2012 11:20:21 Brian wrote:
> > And of course, if I change it, it is not stable. But what name would you
> > give to a Stable installation, which has had a very small number of
> > changes installed? It seems to me that it is legitimate to say: I want
> > my desktop to be bas
On Saturday 07 April 2012 11:20:21 Brian wrote:
> > And of course, if I change it, it is not stable. But what name would you
> > give to a Stable installation, which has had a very small number of
> > changes installed? It seems to me that it is legitimate to say: I want
> > my desktop to be bas
On Sat 07 Apr 2012 at 10:44:59 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Friday 06 April 2012 23:16:46 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > You seem to be confusing the meaning of stable in the distribution
> > sense. It doesn't mean "free of bugs" or "unlikely to crash", it means
> > unchanging/not moving. So by having bac
On 07/04/12 19:44, Lisi wrote:
> On Friday 06 April 2012 23:16:46 Chris Bannister wrote:
>> You seem to be confusing the meaning of stable in the distribution
>> sense. �It doesn't mean "free of bugs" or "unlikely to crash", it means
>> unchanging/not moving. So by having backports you are changing
On Friday 06 April 2012 23:16:46 Chris Bannister wrote:
> You seem to be confusing the meaning of stable in the distribution
> sense. It doesn't mean "free of bugs" or "unlikely to crash", it means
> unchanging/not moving. So by having backports you are changing that.
Yes, I expressed that badly.
On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 04:33:54PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> > Perhaps better names would have been unpredictable/testing/predictable?
>
> Volatile, Staging, Repeatable?
Volatile has been used for ephemeral packages. No need to cloud murky
waters even further.
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Chris Bannister wrote:
> Perhaps better names would have been unpredictable/testing/predictable?
Volatile, Staging, Repeatable?
Bob
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On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 05:21:01PM +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Friday 06 April 2012 17:02:05 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > Ummm, well, obviously if you have backports in your sources list you are
> > no longer running stable.
>
> It depends on the pinning. I have it in my sources.list, but I have to ask
On Friday 06 April 2012 17:02:05 Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 06:29:19PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> > 2. Add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences.d/backports (or
> > /etc/apt/preferences) :
> >
> > Package: *
> > Pin: release a=squeeze-backports
> > Pin-Priority: 500
> >
>
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 06:29:19PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> 2. Add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences.d/backports (or
> /etc/apt/preferences) :
>
> Package: *
> Pin: release a=squeeze-backports
> Pin-Priority: 500
>
> WARNING TO STEP TWO: This will make all packages from backports have
>
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 01:31:53PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> On 28/03/2012 16:41, Lisi wrote:
.snip
> >
> >Moreover, Wheezy is available now. You do not need to wait until it is
> >released, by when it will no longer be cutting edge, that is, if it even
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 13:04 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x.
> As we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel
> 2.6.
>
> When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> release seems v
On 27/03/12 06:04, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
Hi,
I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As
we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.
When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release
seems very slow when all th
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:06:24 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> On 28/03/2012 22:34, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
> Debian developers, please speed up!
Please don't, keep things stable and take your time :-)
>>> I want it fast!
>> "Fast" does not match with stability and well-tested so
amen
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 30 mar 12, 13:17:16, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
On 28/03/2012 16:04, Keith McKenzie wrote:
On 28/03/12 01:37, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:34:46 +0800, Teo wrote in message
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> On 28/03/2012 03:13, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
> > wrote:
> >> Too slow!
> > Not at all.
> > You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu
On 30/03/12 10:15, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
On 29/03/2012 05:03, Lisi wrote:
On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
I want it fast!
Then use Ubuntu.
Lisi
I am already using Ubuntu 11.10.
Why not 12.04.
I thought you liked cutting edge
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On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 01:22:09PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> Debian 6.0 Squeeze also supports Xen virtualization but you have to
> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64.
Thank you yes, I mentioned that myself two messages earlier in this thread:
> Besides, the 2.6 series
On 30/03/2012 16:35, Lisi wrote:
On Friday 30 March 2012 06:31:53 you wrote:
On 28/03/2012 16:41, Lisi wrote:
On Wednesday 28 March 2012 01:37:48 you wrote:
I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.
You can't have b
On 30/03/2012 16:11, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 30 mar 12, 13:17:16, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
On 28/03/2012 16:04, Keith McKenzie wrote:
On 28/03/12 01:37, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want
On 30/03/2012 14:59, Lisi wrote:
On Friday 30 March 2012 06:31:53 you wrote:
On 28/03/2012 16:41, Lisi wrote:
On Wednesday 28 March 2012 01:37:48 you wrote:
I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.
You can't have b
On 29/03/2012 13:51, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
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Why not Sid?
Lisi wrote:
On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
I want it fast!
Then use Ubuntu.
Lisi
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On 29/03/2012 05:03, Lisi wrote:
On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
I want it fast!
Then use Ubuntu.
Lisi
I am already using Ubuntu 11.10.
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On 29/03/2012 00:38, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 28 mar 12, 18:29:19, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
2. Add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences.d/backports (or
/etc/apt/preferences) :
Package: *
Pin: release a=squeeze-backports
Pin-Priority: 500
WARNING TO STEP TWO: This will make all packages from
On 28/03/2012 23:29, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
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Hi,
If someone wants Linux Kernel 3.X to quickly, it seems that it can be
found in Debian Backports http://backports-master.debian.org/ .
If someone wants to get the new kernel quickly, they probably wan
On 28/03/2012 22:34, Camaleón wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 02:00:18 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
On 27/03/2012 22:14, Camaleón wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As
we all k
On Friday 30 March 2012 06:31:53 you wrote:
> On 28/03/2012 16:41, Lisi wrote:
> > On Wednesday 28 March 2012 01:37:48 you wrote:
> >> I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
> >> course I still want stability and reliability.
> >
> > You can't have both, they are s
On Vi, 30 mar 12, 13:17:16, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> On 28/03/2012 16:04, Keith McKenzie wrote:
> >On 28/03/12 01:37, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> >>>
> >>I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
> >>course I still want stability and reliability.
>
On Friday 30 March 2012 07:45:24 Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Lisi wrote:
> > On Thursday 29 March 2012 17:21:48 Tom H wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Lisi wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> >> >> I want it fast!
> >
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Lisi wrote:
> On Thursday 29 March 2012 17:21:48 Tom H wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Lisi wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>> >> I want it fast!
>> >
>> > Then use Ubuntu.
>>
>> You must mean "use non-LTS
On 28/03/2012 17:11, Richard Hector wrote:
On 27/03/12 19:38, Johan Grönqvist wrote:
Debian 7 is expected to be frozen this summer,
And here was me thinking it would be this winter.
Hint: This is an international list. Seasons aren't good for
international representation of dates :-)
Richard
On 28/03/2012 16:41, Lisi wrote:
On Wednesday 28 March 2012 01:37:48 you wrote:
I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.
You can't have both, they are self-contradictory. If you prize bleeding edge
technology above
On 28/03/2012 16:34, Jon Dowland wrote:
On 27/03/12 11:55, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
libvirt and virt-manager are not virtualization solutions/hypervisors.
They are virtualization management tools.
I am of course absolutely aware of that. I could have simply said that
Debian 6.0 suppo
On 28/03/2012 16:04, Keith McKenzie wrote:
On 28/03/12 01:37, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.
The two are incompatible!
Who says so.
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On Thursday 29 March 2012 17:21:48 Tom H wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Lisi wrote:
> > On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> >> I want it fast!
> >
> > Then use Ubuntu.
>
> You must mean "use non-LTS."
That's up to him, but Debian is patently not what h
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Lisi wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>>
>> I want it fast!
>
> Then use Ubuntu.
You must mean "use non-LTS."
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On Jo, 29 mar 12, 12:34:10, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
>
> I have used both Ubuntu and Debian Sid and according to my experience,
> Sid is usually more stable than Ubuntu. The only expection in
> stabiliness was that "Problematic upgrade" (name of thread on this
> list) of libpcsomething3.
It seems
On Thursday 29 March 2012 06:51:30 Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> Lisi wrote:
> >On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> >> I want it fast!
> >
> >Then use Ubuntu.
>
> Why not Sid?
I thought it possible that Ubuntu was nearer to the stability also required.
Since I have
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I presume that this happened by accident.
I have used both Ubuntu and Debian Sid and according to my experience,
Sid is usually more stable than Ubuntu. The only expection in
stabil
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>On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>> I want it fast!
>
>Then use Ubuntu.
>
>Lisi
>
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On Tuesday 27 March 2012 19:00:18 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> I want it fast!
Then use Ubuntu.
Lisi
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On Tuesday 27 March 2012 11:50:16 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> Are you saying Debian 7 will
> only be released early next year? So slow!
Good. Slow and steady not only wins the race, it also leads to stable and
reliable software.
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On Mi, 28 mar 12, 18:29:19, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
>
> 2. Add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences.d/backports (or
> /etc/apt/preferences) :
>
> Package: *
> Pin: release a=squeeze-backports
> Pin-Priority: 500
>
> WARNING TO STEP TWO: This will make all packages from backports have
> same prior
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Hi,
If someone wants Linux Kernel 3.X to quickly, it seems that it can be
found in Debian Backports http://backports-master.debian.org/ .
If someone wants to get the new kernel quickly, they probably want to
get everything else quickly too.
1. Add t
On 27/3/2012 07:10 Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> When will Debian 7.0 be released?
When it's done.
SCNR.
Simon
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 02:00:18 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> On 27/03/2012 22:14, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>>
>>> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As
>>> we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still
On Mi, 28 mar 12, 22:11:42, Richard Hector wrote:
> On 27/03/12 19:38, Johan Grönqvist wrote:
>
> > Debian 7 is expected to be frozen this summer,
>
> And here was me thinking it would be this winter.
>
> Hint: This is an international list. Seasons aren't good for
> international representation
On 27/03/12 19:38, Johan Grönqvist wrote:
> Debian 7 is expected to be frozen this summer,
And here was me thinking it would be this winter.
Hint: This is an international list. Seasons aren't good for
international representation of dates :-)
Richard
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On Wednesday 28 March 2012 01:37:48 you wrote:
> I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
> course I still want stability and reliability.
You can't have both, they are self-contradictory. If you prize bleeding edge
technology above stability and reliability then
On 27/03/12 11:55, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
libvirt and virt-manager are not virtualization solutions/hypervisors.
They are virtualization management tools.
I am of course absolutely aware of that. I could have simply said that
Debian 6.0 supports KVM, but offered the management tools
On 28/03/12 01:37, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
I prize bleeding edge technology above stability and reliability. But of
course I still want stability and reliability.
The two are incompatible!
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On 28/03/2012 04:48, Lisi wrote:
On Tuesday 27 March 2012 20:13:57 Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
wrote:
Too slow!
Not at all.
You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
of speed fits you better.
+1
Some of us prize
On 28/03/2012 03:13, Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
wrote:
Too slow!
Not at all.
You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
of speed fits you better.
Cheers,
Kelly Clowers
I am right now installing Debian Squeeze am
On Tuesday 27 March 2012 20:13:57 Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
>
> wrote:
> > Too slow!
>
> Not at all.
> You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
> of speed fits you better.
+1
Some of us prize reliability above the
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:05, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
wrote:
> Too slow!
Not at all.
You should probably follow your email address to Ubuntu if that kind
of speed fits you better.
Cheers,
Kelly Clowers
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On 28/03/2012 01:31, Johan Grönqvist wrote:
Sorry about my geographical bias. Freeze around June or july, release perhaps
between december and april.
/ Johan
"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)" skrev:
On 27/03/2012 14:38, Jo
On 27/03/2012 22:14, Camaleón wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.
Kernel 3.x is just a naming marketing strategy, in
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>>
>> Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
>> 2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.
>
> You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-bac
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
> all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.
Kernel 3.x is just a naming marketing strategy, indeed it's 2.6.40.
Anyway, there's a
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:51:28AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> > When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> > release seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already
> > have the latest Linu
On 27/03/2012 20:04, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.
You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it h
On 27/03/2012 19:44, steef wrote:
hi,
what is the point? the so-called old 2.6. kernel does not differ much
from the new 3.0 ones. so: be patient. wheezy-completed comes when ready.
reg.,
steef
Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) schreef:
Hi,
I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Lin
On Ma, 27 mar 12, 18:53:20, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
>
> Only Linux 3.0 has Xen dom0 and domU support. Unless Linux kernel
> 2.6 in Debian 6.0 squeeze has special Xen dom0 patches.
You can have 3.2 on squeeze from squeeze-backports. Not sure if it has
the Xen bits though.
Kind regards,
hi,
what is the point? the so-called old 2.6. kernel does not differ much from the
new 3.0 ones. so: be patient. wheezy-completed comes when ready.
reg.,
steef
Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) schreef:
Hi,
I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we all
know, Debi
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800
"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As
> we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.
>
> When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x
> releas
On 27/03/2012 16:51, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x.
As we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel
2.6.
The 2.6 → 3.0 leap was not that large.
W
On 27/03/2012 15:17, didier gaumet wrote:
Le Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800,
"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)" a écrit :
[...]
Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because
I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).
[...]
Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think you need another kernel
On 27/03/2012 14:38, Johan Grönqvist wrote:
2012-03-27 07:04, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) skrev:
I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.
Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play
around
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:04:57PM +0800, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote:
> I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x.
> As we all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel
> 2.6.
The 2.6 → 3.0 leap was not that large.
> When will Debian 7.0 be released? Deb
Le Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:04:57 +0800,
"Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)" a écrit :
[...]
> Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because
> I want to play around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).
[...]
Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think you need another kernel than the
squeeze stock kernel. Take a look
2012-03-27 07:04, Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) skrev:
I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.
Why do I want Linux Kernel 3.x? Because I want to play
around with Xen virtualization (dom0 required).
Deb
Hi,
I am actually looking forward to Debian 7.0 with Linux Kernel 3.x. As we
all know, Debian 6.0.x is still using the old Linux Kernel 2.6.
When will Debian 7.0 be released? Debian with Linux Kernel 3.x release
seems very slow when all the other Linux distros already have the latest
Linux K
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