Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-31 Thread Pooly
2005/12/30, Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Dec 29 23:44 -0600]: Brian Nelson wrote: s/non-free/GPL-incompatible/ The problem was that the Windows version was not free while the Linux version was. I believe the Windows version is still

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-31 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Pooly [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Dec 31 04:16 -0600]: 2005/12/30, Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Dec 29 23:44 -0600]: Brian Nelson wrote: s/non-free/GPL-incompatible/ The problem was that the Windows version was not free while the Linux

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-31 Thread Steve Lamb
Nate Bargmann wrote: Even more nails in the old Qt is non-free coffin. Good! Also more nails in Gnome's coffin IMHO. I never liked Gnome for a very solid philosophical reason. KDE was started to build a first-rate desktop on the unix and unix-like platforms. Gnome was started to kill

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-30 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Dec 29 23:44 -0600]: Brian Nelson wrote: s/non-free/GPL-incompatible/ The problem was that the Windows version was not free while the Linux version was. I believe the Windows version is still non-free, but that doesn't matter to Debian. I've not

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-30 Thread John Hasler
Nate Bargmann writes: As I recall, the license on the Qt library was considered DFSG non-free because any source changes were only allowed to be distributed as patches--a restriction that violates the DFSG. The Qt license was DFSG-free and Qt was in Debian. However, the license was

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-30 Thread Nate Bargmann
* John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Dec 30 09:02 -0600]: Nate Bargmann writes: As I recall, the license on the Qt library was considered DFSG non-free because any source changes were only allowed to be distributed as patches--a restriction that violates the DFSG. The Qt license was

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 08:17 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Dec 29 23:44 -0600]: Brian Nelson wrote: [snip] I believe the Windows version is still non-free, but that doesn't matter to Debian. I've not kept close track so I don't know if anyone has gone to

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-30 Thread Paul Johnson
Nate Bargmann wrote: * Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Dec 29 23:44 -0600]: Brian Nelson wrote: s/non-free/GPL-incompatible/ The problem was that the Windows version was not free while the Linux version was. I believe the Windows version is still non-free, but that doesn't

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-30 Thread Paul Johnson
Brian Nelson wrote: Adam Fabian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Edward C. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why does Debian default to gnome? When I install a recent testing, I believe GNOME sprang up partially in response to KDE using Qt, which had a non-free license at the time. s/non-free

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-29 Thread Brian Nelson
Adam Fabian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Edward C. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why does Debian default to gnome? When I install a recent testing, I believe GNOME sprang up partially in response to KDE using Qt, which had a non-free license at the time. s/non-free/GPL-incompatible

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Brian Nelson wrote: s/non-free/GPL-incompatible/ No, non-free. If it were GPL-incompatible there are quite a few pieces of software in Debian right now that would be shunned for the very same fact. Several free licenses are GPL incompatible. The problem was that the Windows version was

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-28 Thread ajtim
Fabian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:33 pm Subject: Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome? Edward C. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why does Debian default to gnome? When I install a recent testing, I believe GNOME sprang up partially in response to KDE using Qt

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-28 Thread Steve Block
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 04:23:45PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree what you wtote about GNOME but will be good that users have a choice what they want to install. I like both desktops but last time when I wanted to uninstall Evolution with Synaptci it wanted to uninstall Gnome too. Is

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-28 Thread John Hasler
ajtim writes: I like both desktops but last time when I wanted to uninstall Evolution with Synaptci it wanted to uninstall Gnome too. The Gnome package is a dummy. It pulls in its components by depending on them. Thus when you remove any of its components it gets removed as well. However,

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-28 Thread David Kirchner
On 12/28/05, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Gnome package is a dummy. It pulls in its components by depending on them. Thus when you remove any of its components it gets removed as well. However, since it has no contents, removing it does no harm. This obviously needs to be better

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-28 Thread John Hasler
David Kirchner writes: Or, better yet, modified so that removing an application doesn't cause the user to be presented with the scary demand that they also remove gnome. I know of no way to do that with the present dependancy mechanism. I'm not too familiar with the packages, but I

Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-28 Thread Edward C. Jones
Why does Debian default to gnome? When I install a recent testing, if I choose a desktop system, both kde and gnome are installed and gnome is used. Is there a Debian document somewhere explaining why gnome ws chosen? The default gnome theme is first rate but kde seems to be more configurable

Re: Why does Debian default to Gnome?

2005-12-28 Thread Adam Fabian
Edward C. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why does Debian default to gnome? When I install a recent testing, I believe GNOME sprang up partially in response to KDE using Qt, which had a non-free license at the time. Debian is heavily influenced by notions of software freedom, and even though