Re: cannot install all updates
Amit Uttamchandani wrote: I'm running testing as well and I basically do the same thing you do but from the GUI (ncurses). The question I had was upgrading from aptitude gui, does the 'U' key do full-upgrade or dist-upgrade? Thanks, Amit full-upgrade is a synonym for dist-upgrade (see the aptitude manual)... G. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: cannot install all updates
On Fri,24.Oct.08, 08:23:57, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: I'm running testing as well and I basically do the same thing you do but from the GUI (ncurses). The question I had was upgrading from aptitude gui, does the 'U' key do full-upgrade or dist-upgrade? full-upgrade and dist-upgrade are the same ;) Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: That would be... (was Re: cannot install all updates)
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:23:48AM -0700, Amit Uttamchandani [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:53:34 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/08 10:23, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: [snip] I'm running testing as well and I basically do the same thing you do but from the GUI (ncurses). The question I had was upgrading from TUI (text user interface). Oh man you're right. What was I thinking GUI?? Thanks for the correction! At least you didn't call it a CLI. ;-) Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:58:51 +0300 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri,24.Oct.08, 08:23:57, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: I'm running testing as well and I basically do the same thing you do but from the GUI (ncurses). The question I had was upgrading from aptitude gui, does the 'U' key do full-upgrade or dist-upgrade? full-upgrade and dist-upgrade are the same ;) Yes they are! I guess I mean safe-upgrade or full-upgrade. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
On Sat,25.Oct.08, 09:52:36, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:58:51 +0300 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri,24.Oct.08, 08:23:57, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: I'm running testing as well and I basically do the same thing you do but from the GUI (ncurses). The question I had was upgrading from aptitude gui, does the 'U' key do full-upgrade or dist-upgrade? full-upgrade and dist-upgrade are the same ;) Yes they are! I guess I mean safe-upgrade or full-upgrade. AFAICT it rather does a full-upgrade (I'm sure Daniel will correct me if I'm wrong). I guess it is safe to do this in interactive mode because you have much better control over the whole process. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: cannot install all updates
Rich Healey wrote:
Will give you the info you're looking for, basically upgrade will do
minor updates, security fixes, {dist,full}-upgrade will upgrade
completely, potentially breaking everything.
I'm using debian testing for 5 years now, and every week I run 'aptitude
update aptitude full-upgrade aptitude clean'.
The important thing is the full-upgrade (or dist-upgrade for the older
users ;-) ), which never, BUT NEVER, broke anything on my system!
IN DEBIAN I TRUST.
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Re: cannot install all updates
On 2008-10-24 09:48 +0200, Giorgos D. Pallas wrote: I'm using debian testing for 5 years now, and every week I run 'aptitude update aptitude full-upgrade aptitude clean'. The important thing is the full-upgrade (or dist-upgrade for the older users ;-) ), which never, BUT NEVER, broke anything on my system! It should be noted, however, that this is not recommended for people running unstable rather than testing, since packages tend to be unavailable for some time there and aptitude full-upgrade can remove important packages in favor of upgrading others. That being said, aptitude safe-upgrade is usually enough, and I'm using that command daily in sid. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 02:53:04AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: I'm pretty sure I need a lot of those things to build certain audio and video applications I use. I definitely need mkisofs. Will these be uninstallable afterwards? Or is it just these versions? apt-cache show mkisofs says it is a dummy package for genisoimage. Please use genisoimage instead of mkisofs. This is for lenny and I don't know if it applies to etch. So check the output of apt-cache show mkisofs first. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:48:02 +0300
Giorgos D. Pallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rich Healey wrote:
Will give you the info you're looking for, basically upgrade will do
minor updates, security fixes, {dist,full}-upgrade will upgrade
completely, potentially breaking everything.
I'm using debian testing for 5 years now, and every week I run 'aptitude
update aptitude full-upgrade aptitude clean'.
The important thing is the full-upgrade (or dist-upgrade for the older
users ;-) ), which never, BUT NEVER, broke anything on my system!
I'm running testing as well and I basically do the same thing you do
but from the GUI (ncurses). The question I had was upgrading from
aptitude gui, does the 'U' key do full-upgrade or dist-upgrade?
Thanks,
Amit
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That would be... (was Re: cannot install all updates)
On 10/24/08 10:23, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: [snip] I'm running testing as well and I basically do the same thing you do but from the GUI (ncurses). The question I had was upgrading from TUI (text user interface). aptitude gui, does the 'U' key do full-upgrade or dist-upgrade? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Help a man when he is in trouble and he will remember you when he is in trouble again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: That would be... (was Re: cannot install all updates)
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:53:34 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/08 10:23, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: [snip] I'm running testing as well and I basically do the same thing you do but from the GUI (ncurses). The question I had was upgrading from TUI (text user interface). Oh man you're right. What was I thinking GUI?? Thanks for the correction! aptitude gui, does the 'U' key do full-upgrade or dist-upgrade? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Help a man when he is in trouble and he will remember you when he is in trouble again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
On 10/22/08 23:34, JoeHill wrote: JoeHill wrote: Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not sure. ...forgot to mention, I did run the 'smart upgrade', but I did not see what the 'proposed removals' were, which is why I'm concerned. This is why I never use synaptics, but stick with apt-get, the tool that God Intended Us To Use. Besides, it will explicitly tell you what the problem packages are. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Help a man when he is in trouble and he will remember you when he is in trouble again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/22/08 23:34, JoeHill wrote: JoeHill wrote: Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not sure. ...forgot to mention, I did run the 'smart upgrade', but I did not see what the 'proposed removals' were, which is why I'm concerned. This is why I never use synaptics, but stick with apt-get, the tool that God Intended Us To Use. Besides, it will explicitly tell you what the problem packages are. node1:/home/joehill# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: hal The following packages will be upgraded: djvulibre-desktop libapr1 libaudio-dev libaudio2 libdjvulibre21 libenchant1c2a libhal-dev libhal-storage1 libhal1 libmono-cairo1.0-cil libmono-corlib1.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-data-tds1.0-cil libmono-data-tds2.0-cil libmono-i18n1.0-cil libmono-i18n2.0-cil libmono-security1.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil libmono-sqlite2.0-cil libmono-system-data1.0-cil libmono-system-data2.0-cil libmono-system-web1.0-cil libmono-system-web2.0-cil libmono-system1.0-cil libmono-system2.0-cil libmono0 libmono1.0-cil libmono2.0-cil libpci3 libperl5.10 libpq5 mono-common mono-gac mono-jit mono-runtime pciutils perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules screenlets tzdata 44 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. I'll accept that you're right about apt-get in general, but it's still not telling me why hal is being held back. I didn't see anything in the manpage to give me more verbose information. I'm not saying it's not there, just that I didn't see it ;) -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
On Thursday 23 October 2008 08:25:04 JoeHill wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/22/08 23:34, JoeHill wrote: JoeHill wrote: Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not sure. ...forgot to mention, I did run the 'smart upgrade', but I did not see what the 'proposed removals' were, which is why I'm concerned. This is why I never use synaptics, but stick with apt-get, the tool that God Intended Us To Use. Besides, it will explicitly tell you what the problem packages are. node1:/home/joehill# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: hal The following packages will be upgraded: djvulibre-desktop libapr1 libaudio-dev libaudio2 libdjvulibre21 libenchant1c2a libhal-dev libhal-storage1 libhal1 libmono-cairo1.0-cil libmono-corlib1.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-data-tds1.0-cil libmono-data-tds2.0-cil libmono-i18n1.0-cil libmono-i18n2.0-cil libmono-security1.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil libmono-sqlite2.0-cil libmono-system-data1.0-cil libmono-system-data2.0-cil libmono-system-web1.0-cil libmono-system-web2.0-cil libmono-system1.0-cil libmono-system2.0-cil libmono0 libmono1.0-cil libmono2.0-cil libpci3 libperl5.10 libpq5 mono-common mono-gac mono-jit mono-runtime pciutils perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules screenlets tzdata 44 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. I'll accept that you're right about apt-get in general, but it's still not telling me why hal is being held back. I didn't see anything in the manpage to give me more verbose information. I'm not saying it's not there, just that I didn't see it ;) -- Joe I dont want to start a church war, but try try aptitude why-not package -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
On 10/23/08 01:25, JoeHill wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/22/08 23:34, JoeHill wrote: JoeHill wrote: Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not sure. ...forgot to mention, I did run the 'smart upgrade', but I did not see what the 'proposed removals' were, which is why I'm concerned. This is why I never use synaptics, but stick with apt-get, the tool that God Intended Us To Use. Besides, it will explicitly tell you what the problem packages are. node1:/home/joehill# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: hal The following packages will be upgraded: djvulibre-desktop libapr1 libaudio-dev libaudio2 libdjvulibre21 libenchant1c2a libhal-dev libhal-storage1 libhal1 libmono-cairo1.0-cil libmono-corlib1.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-data-tds1.0-cil libmono-data-tds2.0-cil libmono-i18n1.0-cil libmono-i18n2.0-cil libmono-security1.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil libmono-sqlite2.0-cil libmono-system-data1.0-cil libmono-system-data2.0-cil libmono-system-web1.0-cil libmono-system-web2.0-cil libmono-system1.0-cil libmono-system2.0-cil libmono0 libmono1.0-cil libmono2.0-cil libpci3 libperl5.10 libpq5 mono-common mono-gac mono-jit mono-runtime pciutils perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules screenlets tzdata 44 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. I'll accept that you're right about apt-get in general, but it's still not telling me why hal is being held back. I didn't see anything in the manpage to give me more verbose information. I'm not saying it's not there, just that I didn't see it ;) Just try to directly install hal. Then apt will tell you what new or modified packages also need to be installed -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Help a man when he is in trouble and he will remember you when he is in trouble again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/23/08 01:25, JoeHill wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/22/08 23:34, JoeHill wrote: JoeHill wrote: Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not sure. ...forgot to mention, I did run the 'smart upgrade', but I did not see what the 'proposed removals' were, which is why I'm concerned. This is why I never use synaptics, but stick with apt-get, the tool that God Intended Us To Use. Besides, it will explicitly tell you what the problem packages are. node1:/home/joehill# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: hal The following packages will be upgraded: djvulibre-desktop libapr1 libaudio-dev libaudio2 libdjvulibre21 libenchant1c2a libhal-dev libhal-storage1 libhal1 libmono-cairo1.0-cil libmono-corlib1.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-data-tds1.0-cil libmono-data-tds2.0-cil libmono-i18n1.0-cil libmono-i18n2.0-cil libmono-security1.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil libmono-sqlite2.0-cil libmono-system-data1.0-cil libmono-system-data2.0-cil libmono-system-web1.0-cil libmono-system-web2.0-cil libmono-system1.0-cil libmono-system2.0-cil libmono0 libmono1.0-cil libmono2.0-cil libpci3 libperl5.10 libpq5 mono-common mono-gac mono-jit mono-runtime pciutils perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules screenlets tzdata 44 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. I'll accept that you're right about apt-get in general, but it's still not telling me why hal is being held back. I didn't see anything in the manpage to give me more verbose information. I'm not saying it's not there, just that I didn't see it ;) Just try to directly install hal. Then apt will tell you what new or modified packages also need to be installed Okay, that did it. Now, the question is what to do about things that I think might be important The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libgnomecupsui1.0-1c2a libcamel1.2-8 libgtkhtml3.8-15 cupsys-common libgail17 libc-client2002edebian libparted1.7-1 libneon25 libportaudio0 libicu36 industrial-cursor-theme libxt-java type-handling libasn1-6-heimdal esound libkrb5-17-heimdal refblas3 libpostproc0d libedata-cal1.2-5 xulrunner-gnome-support libgpod0 gcc-3.4-base libmdbtools libcdio6 libwnck18 guile-1.6-libs libgutenprintui2-1 python-qt3 libpoppler0c2 gs-common gdb libegroupwise1.2-10 python-sip4 ttf-opensymbol libecal1.2-6 libxul0d libdirectfb-0.9-25 gnome-keyring-manager libio-zlib-perl liferea-xulrunner libqthreads-12 libflac7 libeel2-2.14 iputils-arping libebook1.2-5 libedataserverui1.2-6 gtkhtml3.8 libiw28 libedataserver1.2-7 libmozjs0d discover1-data libxklavier10 libgda2-3 libavcodec0d libgucharmap4 libpq4 libmyspell3c2 pmount libsnmp9 libtotem-plparser1 libservlet2.3-java libxul-common libgda2-common mkisofs libnautilus-burn3 libxp6 libpoppler0c2-glib libroken16-heimdal libguile-ltdl-1 libgssapi4-heimdal libnss3-0d libavahi-core4 libpisync0 I'm pretty sure I need a lot of those things to build certain audio and video applications I use. I definitely need mkisofs. Will these be uninstallable afterwards? Or is it just these versions? -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Thursday 23 October 2008 08:25:04 JoeHill wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/22/08 23:34, JoeHill wrote: JoeHill wrote: Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not sure. ...forgot to mention, I did run the 'smart upgrade', but I did not see what the 'proposed removals' were, which is why I'm concerned. This is why I never use synaptics, but stick with apt-get, the tool that God Intended Us To Use. Besides, it will explicitly tell you what the problem packages are. node1:/home/joehill# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: hal The following packages will be upgraded: djvulibre-desktop libapr1 libaudio-dev libaudio2 libdjvulibre21 libenchant1c2a libhal-dev libhal-storage1 libhal1 libmono-cairo1.0-cil libmono-corlib1.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-data-tds1.0-cil libmono-data-tds2.0-cil libmono-i18n1.0-cil libmono-i18n2.0-cil libmono-security1.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil libmono-sqlite2.0-cil libmono-system-data1.0-cil libmono-system-data2.0-cil libmono-system-web1.0-cil libmono-system-web2.0-cil libmono-system1.0-cil libmono-system2.0-cil libmono0 libmono1.0-cil libmono2.0-cil libpci3 libperl5.10 libpq5 mono-common mono-gac mono-jit mono-runtime pciutils perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules screenlets tzdata 44 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. I'll accept that you're right about apt-get in general, but it's still not telling me why hal is being held back. I didn't see anything in the manpage to give me more verbose information. I'm not saying it's not there, just that I didn't see it ;) -- Joe I dont want to start a church war, but try try aptitude why-not package Bless you ;) Anyhow, I tried that with hal, and it just told me that hal did not have to be removed. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
On 10/23/08 01:39, Thierry Chatelet wrote: [snip] I dont want to start a church war, but try try aptitude why-not package Or a Culture War: I'll give you my apt-get when you take it from my cold, dead hands! -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Help a man when he is in trouble and he will remember you when he is in trouble again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
On 10/23/08 01:53, JoeHill wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/23/08 01:25, JoeHill wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/22/08 23:34, JoeHill wrote: JoeHill wrote: Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not sure. ...forgot to mention, I did run the 'smart upgrade', but I did not see what the 'proposed removals' were, which is why I'm concerned. This is why I never use synaptics, but stick with apt-get, the tool that God Intended Us To Use. Besides, it will explicitly tell you what the problem packages are. node1:/home/joehill# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: hal The following packages will be upgraded: djvulibre-desktop libapr1 libaudio-dev libaudio2 libdjvulibre21 libenchant1c2a libhal-dev libhal-storage1 libhal1 libmono-cairo1.0-cil libmono-corlib1.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-data-tds1.0-cil libmono-data-tds2.0-cil libmono-i18n1.0-cil libmono-i18n2.0-cil libmono-security1.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil libmono-sqlite2.0-cil libmono-system-data1.0-cil libmono-system-data2.0-cil libmono-system-web1.0-cil libmono-system-web2.0-cil libmono-system1.0-cil libmono-system2.0-cil libmono0 libmono1.0-cil libmono2.0-cil libpci3 libperl5.10 libpq5 mono-common mono-gac mono-jit mono-runtime pciutils perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules screenlets tzdata 44 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. I'll accept that you're right about apt-get in general, but it's still not telling me why hal is being held back. I didn't see anything in the manpage to give me more verbose information. I'm not saying it's not there, just that I didn't see it ;) Just try to directly install hal. Then apt will tell you what new or modified packages also need to be installed Okay, that did it. Now, the question is what to do about things that I think might be important The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libgnomecupsui1.0-1c2a libcamel1.2-8 libgtkhtml3.8-15 cupsys-common libgail17 libc-client2002edebian libparted1.7-1 libneon25 libportaudio0 libicu36 industrial-cursor-theme libxt-java type-handling libasn1-6-heimdal esound libkrb5-17-heimdal refblas3 libpostproc0d libedata-cal1.2-5 xulrunner-gnome-support libgpod0 gcc-3.4-base libmdbtools libcdio6 libwnck18 guile-1.6-libs libgutenprintui2-1 python-qt3 libpoppler0c2 gs-common gdb libegroupwise1.2-10 python-sip4 ttf-opensymbol libecal1.2-6 libxul0d libdirectfb-0.9-25 gnome-keyring-manager libio-zlib-perl liferea-xulrunner libqthreads-12 libflac7 libeel2-2.14 iputils-arping libebook1.2-5 libedataserverui1.2-6 gtkhtml3.8 libiw28 libedataserver1.2-7 libmozjs0d discover1-data libxklavier10 libgda2-3 libavcodec0d libgucharmap4 libpq4 libmyspell3c2 pmount libsnmp9 libtotem-plparser1 libservlet2.3-java libxul-common libgda2-common mkisofs libnautilus-burn3 libxp6 libpoppler0c2-glib libroken16-heimdal libguile-ltdl-1 libgssapi4-heimdal libnss3-0d libavahi-core4 libpisync0 I'm pretty sure I need a lot of those things to build certain audio and video applications I use. I definitely need mkisofs. Will these be uninstallable afterwards? Or is it just these versions? It means *only* what it says: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: Don't read or infer anything else! They are perfectly, and happily installed, and apt-get will *not* uninstall them. If you want to tell apt-get to stop nagging/informing you about their automatic status, then (counter-intuitively), just apt-get install them. This won't actually *do* anything except tell apt that you really do want these packages. (Copy-and-paste makes it dirt simple.) Of course, you could always pick and choose, installing the ones you know you want, and purging the ones you don't (since you can always reinstall them later). -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Help a man when he is in trouble and he will remember you when he is in trouble again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/23/08 01:53, JoeHill wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/23/08 01:25, JoeHill wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/22/08 23:34, JoeHill wrote: JoeHill wrote: Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not sure. ...forgot to mention, I did run the 'smart upgrade', but I did not see what the 'proposed removals' were, which is why I'm concerned. This is why I never use synaptics, but stick with apt-get, the tool that God Intended Us To Use. Besides, it will explicitly tell you what the problem packages are. node1:/home/joehill# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: hal The following packages will be upgraded: djvulibre-desktop libapr1 libaudio-dev libaudio2 libdjvulibre21 libenchant1c2a libhal-dev libhal-storage1 libhal1 libmono-cairo1.0-cil libmono-corlib1.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-data-tds1.0-cil libmono-data-tds2.0-cil libmono-i18n1.0-cil libmono-i18n2.0-cil libmono-security1.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil libmono-sqlite2.0-cil libmono-system-data1.0-cil libmono-system-data2.0-cil libmono-system-web1.0-cil libmono-system-web2.0-cil libmono-system1.0-cil libmono-system2.0-cil libmono0 libmono1.0-cil libmono2.0-cil libpci3 libperl5.10 libpq5 mono-common mono-gac mono-jit mono-runtime pciutils perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules screenlets tzdata 44 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. I'll accept that you're right about apt-get in general, but it's still not telling me why hal is being held back. I didn't see anything in the manpage to give me more verbose information. I'm not saying it's not there, just that I didn't see it ;) Just try to directly install hal. Then apt will tell you what new or modified packages also need to be installed Okay, that did it. Now, the question is what to do about things that I think might be important The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libgnomecupsui1.0-1c2a libcamel1.2-8 libgtkhtml3.8-15 cupsys-common libgail17 libc-client2002edebian libparted1.7-1 libneon25 libportaudio0 libicu36 industrial-cursor-theme libxt-java type-handling libasn1-6-heimdal esound libkrb5-17-heimdal refblas3 libpostproc0d libedata-cal1.2-5 xulrunner-gnome-support libgpod0 gcc-3.4-base libmdbtools libcdio6 libwnck18 guile-1.6-libs libgutenprintui2-1 python-qt3 libpoppler0c2 gs-common gdb libegroupwise1.2-10 python-sip4 ttf-opensymbol libecal1.2-6 libxul0d libdirectfb-0.9-25 gnome-keyring-manager libio-zlib-perl liferea-xulrunner libqthreads-12 libflac7 libeel2-2.14 iputils-arping libebook1.2-5 libedataserverui1.2-6 gtkhtml3.8 libiw28 libedataserver1.2-7 libmozjs0d discover1-data libxklavier10 libgda2-3 libavcodec0d libgucharmap4 libpq4 libmyspell3c2 pmount libsnmp9 libtotem-plparser1 libservlet2.3-java libxul-common libgda2-common mkisofs libnautilus-burn3 libxp6 libpoppler0c2-glib libroken16-heimdal libguile-ltdl-1 libgssapi4-heimdal libnss3-0d libavahi-core4 libpisync0 I'm pretty sure I need a lot of those things to build certain audio and video applications I use. I definitely need mkisofs. Will these be uninstallable afterwards? Or is it just these versions? It means *only* what it says: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: Don't read or infer anything else! They are perfectly, and happily installed, and apt-get will *not* uninstall them. If you want to tell apt-get to stop nagging/informing you about their automatic status, then (counter-intuitively), just apt-get install them. This won't actually *do* anything except tell apt that you really do want these packages. (Copy-and-paste makes it dirt simple.) Of course, you could always pick and choose, installing the ones you know you want, and purging the ones you don't (since you can always reinstall them later). I gotcha. New hal installed, on to the next New Thing. All the clarification most appreciated. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
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JoeHill wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 10/22/08 23:34, JoeHill wrote:
JoeHill wrote:
Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are
preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not
sure.
...forgot to mention, I did run the 'smart upgrade', but I did not see what
the 'proposed removals' were, which is why I'm concerned.
This is why I never use synaptics, but stick with apt-get, the tool
that God Intended Us To Use.
Besides, it will explicitly tell you what the problem packages are.
node1:/home/joehill# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
hal
The following packages will be upgraded:
djvulibre-desktop libapr1 libaudio-dev libaudio2 libdjvulibre21
libenchant1c2a libhal-dev libhal-storage1 libhal1 libmono-cairo1.0-cil
libmono-corlib1.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-data-tds1.0-cil
libmono-data-tds2.0-cil libmono-i18n1.0-cil libmono-i18n2.0-cil
libmono-security1.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil
libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil libmono-sqlite2.0-cil libmono-system-data1.0-cil
libmono-system-data2.0-cil libmono-system-web1.0-cil
libmono-system-web2.0-cil libmono-system1.0-cil libmono-system2.0-cil
libmono0 libmono1.0-cil libmono2.0-cil libpci3 libperl5.10 libpq5
mono-common mono-gac mono-jit mono-runtime pciutils perl perl-base perl-doc
perl-modules screenlets tzdata
44 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
I'll accept that you're right about apt-get in general, but it's still not
telling me why hal is being held back.
I didn't see anything in the manpage to give me more verbose information. I'm
not saying it's not there, just that I didn't see it ;)
I think you'll find
apt-get dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade, aptitude changed as of lenny, i
dunno what apt-get is doing)
Will give you the info you're looking for, basically upgrade will do
minor updates, security fixes, {dist,full}-upgrade will upgrade
completely, potentially breaking everything.
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Re: cannot install all updates
JoeHill wrote: Hi, Very new to Debian, so far so very very good. Running Debian Testing, having to relearn a lot as I'm coming from an RPM-based distro. This one I don't want to leave to trial and error, though. The update applet is telling me there are updates available, but I get an error that 'not all updates can be installed'. I've uploaded a screenshot of what I saw here: http://img261.imageshack.us/done.php?l=img261/4923/synapticax3.png Yes, you have several unofficial list. You can just do 'apt-get install hal' in console and see what apt will complain for. -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: cannot install all updates
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 02:54:05AM -0400, JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Thierry Chatelet wrote: I dont want to start a church war, but try try aptitude why-not package Bless you ;) Anyhow, I tried that with hal, and it just told me that hal did not have to be removed. why-not is (currently) a bit of a misnomer: all it says is whether anything conflicts with the target package. aptitude -D safe-upgrade might print some more useful information. The aptitude in squeeze will have better support for explaining upgrade situations, but obviously this won't help you right now. Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 02:53:04AM -0400, JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Ron Johnson wrote: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libgnomecupsui1.0-1c2a libcamel1.2-8 libgtkhtml3.8-15 cupsys-common libgail17 libc-client2002edebian libparted1.7-1 libneon25 libportaudio0 libicu36 industrial-cursor-theme libxt-java type-handling libasn1-6-heimdal esound libkrb5-17-heimdal refblas3 libpostproc0d libedata-cal1.2-5 xulrunner-gnome-support libgpod0 gcc-3.4-base libmdbtools libcdio6 libwnck18 guile-1.6-libs libgutenprintui2-1 python-qt3 libpoppler0c2 gs-common gdb libegroupwise1.2-10 python-sip4 ttf-opensymbol libecal1.2-6 libxul0d libdirectfb-0.9-25 gnome-keyring-manager libio-zlib-perl liferea-xulrunner libqthreads-12 libflac7 libeel2-2.14 iputils-arping libebook1.2-5 libedataserverui1.2-6 gtkhtml3.8 libiw28 libedataserver1.2-7 libmozjs0d discover1-data libxklavier10 libgda2-3 libavcodec0d libgucharmap4 libpq4 libmyspell3c2 pmount libsnmp9 libtotem-plparser1 libservlet2.3-java libxul-common libgda2-common mkisofs libnautilus-burn3 libxp6 libpoppler0c2-glib libroken16-heimdal libguile-ltdl-1 libgssapi4-heimdal libnss3-0d libavahi-core4 libpisync0 I'm pretty sure I need a lot of those things to build certain audio and video applications I use. I definitely need mkisofs. Will these be uninstallable afterwards? Or is it just these versions? As far as the libraries go, it's unlikely you can compile anything against them unless you have the -dev package installed, and the -dev package should depend on the library itself. If those are unused, then their -dev packages aren't installed and so you must not be compiling anything against them. :-) Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cannot install all updates
Hi, Very new to Debian, so far so very very good. Running Debian Testing, having to relearn a lot as I'm coming from an RPM-based distro. This one I don't want to leave to trial and error, though. The update applet is telling me there are updates available, but I get an error that 'not all updates can be installed'. I've uploaded a screenshot of what I saw here: http://img261.imageshack.us/done.php?l=img261/4923/synapticax3.png I notice that it says this could be caused by unofficial software sources. This is my sources.list: # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080804-15:10]/ etch contrib main # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080804-15:10]/ etch contrib main deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb-src http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main #deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main #deb-src http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian testing main contrib non-free restricted deb-src http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian testing main contrib non-free restricted Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not sure. Many thanks for any help. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cannot install all updates
JoeHill wrote: Question is, is there some way to find out more info on what packages are preventing HAL from being installed? Or _is_ that the question...? Not sure. ...forgot to mention, I did run the 'smart upgrade', but I did not see what the 'proposed removals' were, which is why I'm concerned. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
