Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-25 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 05:02:58AM +0100, Jan Minar wrote: Once upon a time, Jan converted his ext2 partitions to ext3. His understanding of the journalling options was even weaker than it is today. Days passed, several crashes occurred. Jan

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-25 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:51:26PM -0500, xucaen wrote: hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling fs instead of ext2? If you crash, or otherwise don't unmount cleanly, when it comes time to remount, no data is lost, the

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-25 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 12:08:46AM -0500, Al Davis wrote: A journalling file system is of no help when the cause of the crash is bad memory, bad disk, disk controller bugs. If your hardware is really bad, the best file system is a simple one

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-25 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 10:10:17PM -0500, xucaen wrote: I don't get it are you saying ext3 recovers better or worse? Try it and find out! 8:o) Seriously, though, ext3 recovers way better. What was suggested about dropping the ext2 filesystem

ext3 why?

2004-02-25 Thread Dr Gavin Seddon
Hi, A note to say it's worth scanning other peoples questions and not just delete them. I have been reading this thread as I have often wondered why ext3? This has anwsered a long standing q. Gavin -- Dr Gavin Seddon [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Manchester -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: ext3, why?

2004-02-25 Thread David Baron
Simple enough to change the filesystem using tune2fs. Getting it boot up as ext3 is another story. If ext3 is not compiled in your kernel, you will need an initrd. I never got one working with 2.4.22. Works fine with 2.6.2. Installing newer kernel images most always requires and makes the

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-25 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 10:52:55PM -0500, Alexander Winston wrote: | On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 22:24 -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: | | On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:49:58AM +0100, Jan Minar wrote: | | On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:51:26PM -0500, xucaen wrote: | | hi all, just looking for

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-25 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:58:43PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: | xucaen wrote: | hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling fs | instead of ext2? | | Less likely to suffer catastrophic data loss in the event of a crash. This is not true. You can still have data loss,

ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread xucaen
hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling fs instead of ext2? thanks! Jim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Jan Minar
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:51:26PM -0500, xucaen wrote: hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling fs instead of ext2? Because 3 2. -- Jan Minar Please don't CC me, I'm subscribed. x 9 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread xucaen
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 06:43:02PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, xucaen wrote: hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling fs instead of ext2? copy all your important *.mp3 and *.mpeg files onto your 100GB disk partitioned as ext2 .. as if that

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Roberto Sanchez
xucaen wrote: hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling fs instead of ext2? thanks! Jim Less likely to suffer catastrophic data loss in the event of a crash. Also, quicker fsck comletion when booting after an unclean umount (as happens in a crash). I personally prefer

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Andy Firman
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:51:26PM -0500, xucaen wrote: hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling fs instead of ext2? thanks! Jim This is a very busy list that is primarily about Debian. Not to be a jerkbut please google first about Linux things that have

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Alvin Oga
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, xucaen wrote: hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling fs instead of ext2? copy all your important *.mp3 and *.mpeg files onto your 100GB disk partitioned as ext2 .. as if that was your only copy of it now power off your system ... and reboot

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread John Schmidt
On Tuesday 24 February 2004 08:10 pm, xucaen wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 06:43:02PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, xucaen wrote: hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling fs instead of ext2? copy all your important *.mp3 and *.mpeg files onto

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:49:58AM +0100, Jan Minar wrote: | On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:51:26PM -0500, xucaen wrote: | hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling | fs instead of ext2? | | Because 3 2. LOL! I use ext3 for main partitions so that if the power fails, I

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread xucaen
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 10:24:41PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:49:58AM +0100, Jan Minar wrote: | On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:51:26PM -0500, xucaen wrote: | hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling | fs instead of ext2? | |

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 10:40:44PM -0500, xucaen wrote: | On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 10:24:41PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: | On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:49:58AM +0100, Jan Minar wrote: | | On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:51:26PM -0500, xucaen wrote: | | hi all, just looking for information

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Alexander Winston
On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 22:24 -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 03:49:58AM +0100, Jan Minar wrote: | On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:51:26PM -0500, xucaen wrote: | hi all, just looking for information here; why use ext3 journaling | fs instead of ext2? | | Because 3

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Jan Minar
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:58:43PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Less likely to suffer catastrophic data loss in the event of a crash. Once upon a time, Jan converted his ext2 partitions to ext3. His understanding of the journalling options was even weaker than it is today. Days passed,

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On 2004-02-25, xucaen penned: I use ext3 for main partitions so that if the power fails, I be likely to have a corrupt filesystem. I still use ext2 for /boot, for example, because it is small (therefore the journal's overhead is more expensive) and it isn't updated very frequently and so the

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Allan Wind
On 2004-02-25T05:02:58+0100, Jan Minar wrote: Jan was mystified. Did Jan forget to change the file system type in /etc/fstab? /Allan -- Allan Wind P.O. Box 2022 Woburn, MA 01888-0022 USA signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Al Davis
On Tuesday 24 February 2004 11:02 pm, Jan Minar wrote: Once upon a time, Jan converted his ext2 partitions to ext3.  His understanding of the journalling options was even weaker than it is today.  Days passed, several crashes occurred.  Jan didn't care.  He thought the journal would.  The Fsck

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Jan Minar
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 12:19:03AM -0500, Allan Wind wrote: Did Jan forget to change the file system type in /etc/fstab? Why would you think so? -- ``You know those mail clients: MS Outlook, mail(1), or even telnet(1). All of them suck. This one just sucks less.'' pgp0.pgp

Re: ext3 why?

2004-02-24 Thread Allan Wind
On 2004-02-25T07:21:35+0100, Jan Minar wrote: Why would you think so? After adding the journal to convert an ext2 file system to ext3, it is easy to forget to change /etc/fstab in which case you degrade to ext2. /Allan -- Allan Wind P.O. Box 2022 Woburn, MA 01888-0022 USA signature.asc