Re: lenny & thunderbird filters-SOLVED!
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 16:04:08 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 11/05/2010 12:18 PM, Camaleón wrote: (about the 4 GiB space limit per folder in Thunderbird...) > how do you know if you are reaching the 4GiB limit? I would expect a warning message written in old arcane gibberish stating that your current folder is reaching its limits >:-) Just kidding... I dunno, but an alert message makes sense. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.05.20.17...@gmail.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters-SOLVED!
On 11/05/2010 12:18 PM, Camaleón wrote: >> oh, ow, I did not know that. so, is archiving the answer? > I hate archiving (I hold "fresh" e-mails dated on 1999) :-P I also note that archiving is ONLY for IMAP folders, so it is useless to me, because I have everything filtered to LOCAL folders.. Tyou can't archive local folders.. > What I do is using as much as possible a tree structure (remember the 4 > GiB limit is set for "each folder", so you can have many subfolders to > distribute your e-mail messages and so avoing that limit). > Yes I get the idea.. > > > the 4GiB limit also goes for archived though, so.. what do you do? > I'm not sure whether IMAP accounts/storage are also affected for this > limitation (I guess yes) but in either case, use a logical mail > structure. I like using "topics" and then "years" (or viceversa, years > then topics); the more folders, the better, i.e.: > > inxox > | > |- 2010 I was thinking the other way.. unless you can easily duplicat all the folders under a year, I was thinking more like: Debian-users |- 2010 |-2011 how do you know if you are reaching the 4GiB limit? -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd46338.5050...@pcartwright.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters-SOLVED!
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 11:52:50 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 11/05/2010 11:43 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> And that remembers me the third of the Thunderbird's annoyances: >> storage files for each folder cannot go beyong 4 GiB). > oh, ow, I did not know that. so, is archiving the answer? I hate archiving (I hold "fresh" e-mails dated on 1999) :-P What I do is using as much as possible a tree structure (remember the 4 GiB limit is set for "each folder", so you can have many subfolders to distribute your e-mail messages and so avoing that limit). > I've been afraid to archive, because I didn't know where the old > messages go:) > NOTE, now I do know where they go: > http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/Archived+messages Good catch! I didn' know it neither :-) > the 4GiB limit also goes for archived though, so.. what do you do? I'm not sure whether IMAP accounts/storage are also affected for this limitation (I guess yes) but in either case, use a logical mail structure. I like using "topics" and then "years" (or viceversa, years then topics); the more folders, the better, i.e.: inxox | |- 2010 | |-lists | |- debian-es | |- debian-es | |- debian-bugzilla | |-personal |- banking |- friends |- shopping |- ebay |- ... Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.05.16.18...@gmail.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters-SOLVED!
On 11/05/2010 11:43 AM, Camaleón wrote: > You can set "auto-compact" your folders by defining so under Preferences/ > advanced/network and disk space. thank you!! > "Compacting" is another of the annoyances of Thunderbird but is a "must- > do" task (if you avoid doing so your mailbox files will grow, and grow > and grow... because deleted e-mails are not really deteleted until you - > maually or automatically- hit the "compact" button). > > And that remembers me the third of the Thunderbird's annoyances: storage > files for each folder cannot go beyong 4 GiB). oh, ow, I did not know that. so, is archiving the answer? I've been afraid to archive, because I didn't know where the old messages go:) NOTE, now I do know where they go: http://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/Archived+messages the 4GiB limit also goes for archived though, so.. what do you do? > More interesting reading: > > Compacting folders > http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_Tips_:_Compacting_Folders > > Limits - Thunderbird > http://kb.mozillazine.org/Limits_(Thunderbird) thanks, good info! -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd42852.5050...@pcartwright.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters-SOLVED!
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:31:28 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 11/05/2010 04:15 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> Also, you can try (just in case) to "rebuild index" and/or "compacting" >> the offending folder. Thunderbird (Icedove) sometimes can go nuts with >> its internal bd and hides e-mails or does weird things :-) > ok, I JUST had a new message in a folder. Hit "N" to go to it. The > folder still showed (1) new message. Right-clicked on the folder & hit > COMPACT FOLDER. BAM! new message indicator disappeared. Oh... good :-) > I'll bet I can recreate that.. every...time.. You can set "auto-compact" your folders by defining so under Preferences/ advanced/network and disk space. "Compacting" is another of the annoyances of Thunderbird but is a "must- do" task (if you avoid doing so your mailbox files will grow, and grow and grow... because deleted e-mails are not really deteleted until you - maually or automatically- hit the "compact" button). And that remembers me the third of the Thunderbird's annoyances: storage files for each folder cannot go beyong 4 GiB). More interesting reading: Compacting folders http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_Tips_:_Compacting_Folders Limits - Thunderbird http://kb.mozillazine.org/Limits_(Thunderbird) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.05.15.43...@gmail.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
On 11/05/2010 08:56 AM, Camaleón wrote: > An IMAP server (Dovecot) can be run in the local machine but it is still > and IMAP account and so having its glitches (it can experience a > different behaviour than local ones). Just check if the same happens for > local messages. MOST of the problems with the New message indicator were on local folders.. actually ALL issues were.. but the problem has been found. click COMPACT FOLDER & problem goes away, even while I am in that (local) folder with the (1) showing. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd415a2.8040...@pcartwright.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters-SOLVED!
On 11/05/2010 04:15 AM, Camaleón wrote: > Also, you can try (just in case) to "rebuild index" and/or "compacting" > the offending folder. Thunderbird (Icedove) sometimes can go nuts with > its internal bd and hides e-mails or does weird things :-) ok, I JUST had a new message in a folder. Hit "N" to go to it. The folder still showed (1) new message. Right-clicked on the folder & hit COMPACT FOLDER. BAM! new message indicator disappeared. I'll bet I can recreate that.. every...time.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd41540.3010...@pcartwright.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 07:55:46 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 11/05/2010 07:25 AM, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> Maybe you can find something there that make your bells ring :-? >> >> P.S. Just out of curiosity... does it happen only with imap mailboxes >> or also with local stored messages? > not I am talking ALL local folders. I have fetchmail bring in ALL my > email to /var/mail/USER, and thunderbird is set to pull that mail using > UNIX movemail. I DO have IMAP folders, I am running Dovecot-imapd. I > think I have a cron job to bring in yahoo email using fetchyahoo that > brings it in to an IMAP folder, but I RARELY get yahoo email.. An IMAP server (Dovecot) can be run in the local machine but it is still and IMAP account and so having its glitches (it can experience a different behaviour than local ones). Just check if the same happens for local messages. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.05.12.56...@gmail.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
On 11/05/2010 07:25 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> ah, I think I found it under folder properties.. repair Folder? > Mmm, it should be called "rebuild index", even in "plain English" :-P > > http://raisedbyturtles.org/wp-content/uploads/tb-rebuild-index.png > > Not sure if that will help with your "phantom" unread messages, though... > wait, I've got some docs for you: ok, REBUILD, not REPAIR.. yes, I found it- right-click on a folder, select properties. > Disappearing mail > http://kb.mozillazine.org/Disappearing_mail nice article.. will check out each & every problem.. I did NOT have the View Messages item: If you don't have a "View -> Messages" menu command right click on the toolbar, select customize, drag and drop the "Mail Views" icon to the toolbar and press the OK button. Adding the View combo box to the toolbar adds that menu command. but it was set to ALL. > Maybe you can find something there that make your bells ring :-? > > P.S. Just out of curiosity... does it happen only with imap mailboxes or > also with local stored messages? not I am talking ALL local folders. I have fetchmail bring in ALL my email to /var/mail/USER, and thunderbird is set to pull that mail using UNIX movemail. I DO have IMAP folders, I am running Dovecot-imapd. I think I have a cron job to bring in yahoo email using fetchyahoo that brings it in to an IMAP folder, but I RARELY get yahoo email.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 06:49:43 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 11/05/2010 04:15 AM, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> Also, you can try (just in case) to "rebuild index" and/or "compacting" >> the offending folder. Thunderbird (Icedove) sometimes can go nuts with >> its internal bd and hides e-mails or does weird things :-) > I see the compact folders menu item, but not rebuild index... where do > you find that one. > ah, I think I found it under folder properties.. repair Folder? Mmm, it should be called "rebuild index", even in "plain English" :-P http://raisedbyturtles.org/wp-content/uploads/tb-rebuild-index.png Not sure if that will help with your "phantom" unread messages, though... wait, I've got some docs for you: Disappearing mail http://kb.mozillazine.org/Disappearing_mail Maybe you can find something there that make your bells ring :-? P.S. Just out of curiosity... does it happen only with imap mailboxes or also with local stored messages? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.11.05.11.25...@gmail.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
On 11/04/2010 11:52 PM, Johan Grönqvist wrote: > Yes, I have seen this, without filters, but for a newsgroup account > (news.gmane.org), and it seems to happen when I fetch new messages > several times before reading through the new messages, and even then I > only see it sometimes. I haven't done newsgroups in over a year.. though thunderbird does have a news server setup in it, it isn't a valid login any longer.. as far as new messages, I do go through & read ALL new messages, BUT, I do see where new messages come into folders that I have already finished reading, that could very well be THE PROBLEM.. > > I have no solution to offer, and I do not remember the exact version > combinations I have seen this in. thanks! -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd3e219.3020...@pcartwright.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
On 11/05/2010 04:15 AM, Camaleón wrote: > Mmm... so you have a folder with no unread messages but still stating > there is (1) unread messages (marked in bold) in the folder's pane. Right? correct. > Could it be that you are applying some kind of rules for displaying only > messages that matches a common pattern (like showing just today's ones, > coming from a concrete sender or so)? no rules that I applied on purpose.. and it isn't all folders, it "seems" random.. and not every time. > Also, you can try (just in case) to "rebuild index" and/or "compacting" > the offending folder. Thunderbird (Icedove) sometimes can go nuts with > its internal bd and hides e-mails or does weird things :-) I see the compact folders menu item, but not rebuild index... where do you find that one. ah, I think I found it under folder properties.. repair Folder? > (make a full backup of you Thunderbird profile before performing a > rebuild of index) > nah, I make daily backups:) >>> >> Does it happen while using a threaded view/plain view for messages or >>> >> both? What type of folders view (smart-unified/all folders...) are you >>> >> using? >>> >> >> > ack, no idea what you mean. I use the tipical 3-panel view, folders to >> > the left, message headers up top, and body of email below. I use >> > threaded view, but I'm not sure I changed it in ALL the folders, only >> > the ones I noticed had threads, and it wasn't threading. all folders, no >> > "special effects".. > Thunderbird allows to select what folders you want to see in the folder's > pane (most used, all folders, smart folders...). In addition, it allows > you to select what kind of message view you want for each folder (show > unread e-mails, received today e-mails, tagged e-mails...). Just be sure > you are not applying any of these options and all folders/e-mails are > being displayed. yeah, I imagine that could cause LOTS of problems, people forgetting what view they have set & can't find messages.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd3e147.4090...@pcartwright.com
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:55:30 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On 11/04/2010 07:37 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>> Why do you think the problem of the shortcut ("N") for going to the
>> next unread messsage has any connection with the filters? :-?
> hm.. not sure, I just ASSuMEd..
X-)
Anyway, when you suspect on filters, just enable the filters log to get a
clue of where is e-mail being dropped.
> ok, so I have messages in folders, when I get to the last unread
> message, the folder STILL shows (1) and moves on to another unread
> message in the next folder.
Mmm... so you have a folder with no unread messages but still stating
there is (1) unread messages (marked in bold) in the folder's pane. Right?
Could it be that you are applying some kind of rules for displaying only
messages that matches a common pattern (like showing just today's ones,
coming from a concrete sender or so)?
Also, you can try (just in case) to "rebuild index" and/or "compacting"
the offending folder. Thunderbird (Icedove) sometimes can go nuts with
its internal bd and hides e-mails or does weird things :-)
(make a full backup of you Thunderbird profile before performing a
rebuild of index)
>> Does it happen while using a threaded view/plain view for messages or
>> both? What type of folders view (smart-unified/all folders...) are you
>> using?
>>
> ack, no idea what you mean. I use the tipical 3-panel view, folders to
> the left, message headers up top, and body of email below. I use
> threaded view, but I'm not sure I changed it in ALL the folders, only
> the ones I noticed had threads, and it wasn't threading. all folders, no
> "special effects"..
Thunderbird allows to select what folders you want to see in the folder's
pane (most used, all folders, smart folders...). In addition, it allows
you to select what kind of message view you want for each folder (show
unread e-mails, received today e-mails, tagged e-mails...). Just be sure
you are not applying any of these options and all folders/e-mails are
being displayed.
Greetings,
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Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
2010-11-04 21:03, Paul Cartwright skrev: I'm running Lenny, updated, and Thunderbird 3.1.6 ( from my local user). SOMETIMES, you see a folder, click "N" for next message, the folder still has the (1) for new message, but when you hit N, it proceeds to the next folder. Eventually you hit N and come back to THE SAME MESSAGE. anyone seen this, or have any ideas? Yes, I have seen this, without filters, but for a newsgroup account (news.gmane.org), and it seems to happen when I fetch new messages several times before reading through the new messages, and even then I only see it sometimes. I have no solution to offer, and I do not remember the exact version combinations I have seen this in. / Johan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/iavv24$2f...@dough.gmane.org
Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
On 11/04/2010 07:37 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> Why do you think the problem of the shortcut ("N") for going to the next
> unread messsage has any connection with the filters? :-?
hm.. not sure, I just ASSuMEd..
ok, so I have messages in folders, when I get to the last unread
message, the folder STILL shows (1) and moves on to another unread
message in the next folder.
> Does it happen while using a threaded view/plain view for messages or
> both? What type of folders view (smart-unified/all folders...) are you
> using?
>
ack, no idea what you mean. I use the tipical 3-panel view, folders to
the left, message headers up top, and body of email below. I use
threaded view, but I'm not sure I changed it in ALL the folders, only
the ones I noticed had threads, and it wasn't threading. all folders, no
"special effects"..
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Re: lenny & thunderbird filters
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 16:03:54 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
(...)
> I setup lots & lots of filters, almost every email gets filtered
> somewhere.. SOMETIMES, you see a folder, click "N" for next message, the
> folder still has the (1) for new message, but when you hit N, it
> proceeds to the next folder. Eventually you hit N and come back to THE
> SAME MESSAGE. I even put a "stop filter execution" at the end of the
> filters, but it still does it.
> anyone seen this, or have any ideas?
Why do you think the problem of the shortcut ("N") for going to the next
unread messsage has any connection with the filters? :-?
Does it happen while using a threaded view/plain view for messages or
both? What type of folders view (smart-unified/all folders...) are you
using?
Greetings,
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lenny & thunderbird filters
I'm running Lenny, updated, and Thunderbird 3.1.6 ( from my local user). I setup a bunch of my user IMAP setups, from my domain host, and pull in mail from fetchmailrc. I setup lots & lots of filters, almost every email gets filtered somewhere.. SOMETIMES, you see a folder, click "N" for next message, the folder still has the (1) for new message, but when you hit N, it proceeds to the next folder. Eventually you hit N and come back to THE SAME MESSAGE. I even put a "stop filter execution" at the end of the filters, but it still does it. anyone seen this, or have any ideas? -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cd311aa.70...@pcartwright.com
