Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/26/2010 5:46 PM: If the problem indeed is in the video ram, am I correct in assuming that I should have no great concern regarding data integrity in the other systems of the motherboard? I seriously doubt a DIMM is the problem. I can physically see what you

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
26/12/2010 21:55, Doug wrote: On 12/26/2010 11:19 AM, Joe wrote: I've had a Giga GA-MA74GM-S2H for a year now. It hasn't died yet, and I can't really say more than that. The most exotic stuff I do is gEDA PCB layout, and I'm not aware of any performance problems. Built-in sound and graphics,

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com [101227 08:28]: I seriously doubt a DIMM is the problem. I can physically see what you describe with words, but it sure sound like an EMI/RFI issue, not the hardware, _especially_ after swapping mobo guts twice. From amateur radio experience in years

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Russell L. Harris
* tv.deb...@googlemail.com tv.deb...@googlemail.com [101227 09:28]: Asustek uses what they call military grade technology (chokes, capacitors and mofsets) on some boards (SABERTOOTH's at least), it's not tantalum but claimed to be at least as reliable. ... Having lost two expensive Samsung

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Russell L. Harris rlhar...@broadcaster.org [101227 00:28]: Finally, I was in error regarding the P5Q-EM; it employs solid capacitors only in the critical power supply circuitry surrounding the processor; other capacitors on the board are electrolytic. This is typical of the garden-variety

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:12:17 +, Russell L. Harris wrote: I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of video problems. I purchased the boards because of the long-life solid capacitors. (Motherboard

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Russell L. Harris wrote: * Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com [101226 22:56]: No Asus? Too bad. I really like my Asus M4N98TD EVO. First mobo I bought that worked out-of-the-box. Hi, Hugo, Thanks for the recommendation. I suppose that I should look again at Asus, now that Squeeze has X

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
tv.deb...@googlemail.com put forth on 12/27/2010 3:24 AM: Frankly, I am not sure those technos are worth it on mother/gfx boards unless you're a keeper, it will probably be replaced long before it bursts a capacitor, much cheaper boards with whatever capacitors can last for a couple of years

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/27/2010 4:28 AM: None of these are a factor; the nearest potential source of interference is a ceiling fluorescent fixture. And I see the same pattern with the machine in different rooms. The line artifacts you describe, if you are indeed describing them

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/27/2010 4:40 AM: In view of the fact that capacitors are the Achilles Heel of the PC motherboard Cheap case designs and motherboard designs with poor ventilation around the CPU socket VRM mosfets are, not caps. Far more motherboards fail due to VRM fets

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
Le 27/12/2010 19:45, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : tv.deb...@googlemail.com put forth on 12/27/2010 3:24 AM: Frankly, I am not sure those technos are worth it on mother/gfx boards unless you're a keeper, it will probably be replaced long before it bursts a capacitor, much cheaper boards with

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com [101228 00:28]: The line artifacts you describe, if you are indeed describing them accurately, are nearly always caused by static stray magnetic fields. Something as innocuous as a small decorative refrigerator magnet stuck to the PC case can cause things

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com [101228 00:28]: Paul I get the feeling you've read a lot of forums and magazines, and know some people who might know their stuff, but that you personally don't really have any experience as a PC/server hardware tech. Is this an accurate assessment? I

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com [101228 00:28]: consider 10 years of pretty harsh duty a long life. Who knows how many years my BP6 has left in it. Hopefully at least a few, as I still love this board, and it works great in its current role. When one speaks of the lifetime of a

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/27/2010 7:10 PM: Ah-so! Now I see your point of confusion. At the start of the thread, I mentioned two motherboards -- a P5Q-EM and a M3A78-T. With the M3A78-T there were line artifacts. But with the P5Q-EM, the problem was simply that the display went

need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Russell L. Harris
I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of video problems. I purchased the boards because of the long-life solid capacitors. (Motherboard life typically is limited by deterioration of conventional

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread shawn wilson
On Dec 26, 2010 6:12 AM, Russell L. Harris rlhar...@broadcaster.org wrote: I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of video problems. I purchased the boards because of the long-life solid capacitors.

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Russell L. Harris
* shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com [101226 12:28]: I don't think that brand or manufacturing process are the issue here unless you bought cheap asus boards Cheap boards generally do not have solid capacitors exclusively. purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) So,

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/26/2010 5:12 AM: I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of video problems. Two? With the M3A78-T, the POST screen displayed a cross-hatch pattern of horizontal and

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com [101226 13:35]: Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/26/2010 5:12 AM: I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of video problems. Two? Hi, Stan. It really

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Joe
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:12:17 + Russell L. Harris rlhar...@broadcaster.org wrote: I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of video problems. I purchased the boards because of the long-life solid

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Mark Neidorff
On Sunday 26 December 2010 09:00 am, Russell L. Harris wrote: * Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com [101226 13:35]: Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/26/2010 5:12 AM: I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386)

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Russell L. Harris wrote: I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of video problems. I purchased the boards because of the long-life solid capacitors. (Motherboard life typically is limited by

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread shawn wilson
On Dec 26, 2010 12:11 PM, Mark Neidorff m...@neidorff.com wrote: On Sunday 26 December 2010 09:00 am, Russell L. Harris wrote: * Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com [101226 13:35]: Russell L. Harris put forth on 12/26/2010 5:12 AM: I am tossing into the dumpster the last two

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Doug
On 12/26/2010 11:19 AM, Joe wrote: On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:12:17 + Russell L. Harrisrlhar...@broadcaster.org wrote: I am tossing into the dumpster the last two motherboards which I purchased -- Asus M3A78-T (AMD64) and Asus P5Q-EM (i386) -- because of video problems. I purchased the

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Mark Neidorff m...@neidorff.com [101226 22:56]: Well OK. So, this seems to me to be a memory problem. I'm guessing the video ram. Whatever memory the 80X25 mode is mapping into has become flaky. When you start X, you are using different memory, so no problem. Why didn't ASUS solve

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net [101226 22:56]: Maybe it's time to buy tantalum capacitors. More expensive, slightly smaller, and (I believe) less likely to blow up. Available with parallel wires or in surface mount configurations. Military equipment has been using tantalum caps for years,

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com [101226 22:56]: No Asus? Too bad. I really like my Asus M4N98TD EVO. First mobo I bought that worked out-of-the-box. Hi, Hugo, Thanks for the recommendation. I suppose that I should look again at Asus, now that Squeeze has X working on the M3A78-T. RLH

Re: need motherboard recommendation

2010-12-26 Thread Mark Neidorff
On Sunday 26 December 2010 06:46 pm, Russell L. Harris wrote: * Mark Neidorff m...@neidorff.com [101226 22:56]: Well OK. So, this seems to me to be a memory problem. I'm guessing the video ram. Whatever memory the 80X25 mode is mapping into has become flaky. When you start X, you are