Re: temporary allowing telnet to use x-windows
On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 11:32:43AM +1000, Kenrick, Chris wrote: Well, John. Your user will have to install an X-server on his machine. IIRC, there used to be a free beer version of M/IX for Windows, but as of version 2.0, it isn't. So, you can go with that -- or MicroX or Exceed or hope that the XFree on Windows project ships something soon. I have a copy of the aforementioned free beer MIX server and it works quite well on my Win2K box here at work. If anyone wants a copy, let me know and I'll email it... Jack is right that they don't do a free one any more. I have to question this review. I've used M/IX, it works. It supports a subset of X protocols, and simply *won't* support many features used by advanced or modern window managers. If you're looking for basic terminal and light X app support under twm or fvwm, you may be happy. Otherwise, I'd strongly recommend another solution. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpmuQJ81k3gG.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: temporary allowing telnet to use x-windows
Well, John. Your user will have to install an X-server on his machine. IIRC, there used to be a free beer version of M/IX for Windows, but as of version 2.0, it isn't. So, you can go with that -- or MicroX or Exceed or hope that the XFree on Windows project ships something soon. I have a copy of the aforementioned free beer MIX server and it works quite well on my Win2K box here at work. If anyone wants a copy, let me know and I'll email it... Jack is right that they don't do a free one any more. - Chris Kenrick
re: temporary allowing telnet to use x-windows
Oh. Well, John. Your user will have to install an X-server on his machine. IIRC, there used to be a free beer version of M/IX for Windows, but as of version 2.0, it isn't. So, you can go with that -- or MicroX or Exceed or hope that the XFree on Windows project ships something soon. Once your user has installed an X-server on his machine, and configured it to accept connexions from your telnet server, you can tell any X-clients on the telnet server to use the user's X-server as a diaplay. On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, john smith wrote: ok...I'll try to clarify thisBasically, What I want is: o User is on one machine in local network (windows) O Wants to connect to a second machine (debian) user wants to telnet to debian (using windows) then wants to try to run x-window via telnet. how can these be done temporarily and easily? with no regard to security if it will make it easier... Does it make any sense? there is no particular reason why we want to do this other than just to try and make it work. ...if I've misunderstood your post, please clarify your question. One possible other interpretation is that you are trying to telnet *from* 10.1.0.1 to 10.1.0.2, and want to start an X session *on the remote host* (note that this ordinarily isn't viewable to the user). Generally, the file /etc/X11/Xserver disallows non-root users from initiating an X session unless they're sitting at the console. See this file for further information (its about a dozen lines). -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: temporary allowing telnet to use x-windows
Digital Equipment Corp used to have a freebie that you could download from their site... I don't remember it's name however it was an X-Win emulator for win31, win95, etc. It ran in only 256 color, yet was fast enought to be useable. Worked very similar to another X box in the fact that you had to xhost + (the unix machine) and also set the correct display varible on the host... so it worked out okay... no big deal. But not many colors, and for the life of me, I can't recall it's name. As for the connection it was just TCP/IP... you telnet in, log in, set your DISPLAY var, and open up whichever X apps you wanted. Lot of luck fining it... why not just get that person on a Linux machine with Windows emulator? Jack On Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 04:47:07AM -0400, Simon Law wrote: Oh. Well, John. Your user will have to install an X-server on his machine. IIRC, there used to be a free beer version of M/IX for Windows, but as of version 2.0, it isn't. So, you can go with that -- or MicroX or Exceed or hope that the XFree on Windows project ships something soon. Once your user has installed an X-server on his machine, and configured it to accept connexions from your telnet server, you can tell any X-clients on the telnet server to use the user's X-server as a diaplay. On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, john smith wrote: ok...I'll try to clarify thisBasically, What I want is: o User is on one machine in local network (windows) O Wants to connect to a second machine (debian) user wants to telnet to debian (using windows) then wants to try to run x-window via telnet. how can these be done temporarily and easily? with no regard to security if it will make it easier... Does it make any sense? there is no particular reason why we want to do this other than just to try and make it work. ...if I've misunderstood your post, please clarify your question. One possible other interpretation is that you are trying to telnet *from* 10.1.0.1 to 10.1.0.2, and want to start an X session *on the remote host* (note that this ordinarily isn't viewable to the user). Generally, the file /etc/X11/Xserver disallows non-root users from initiating an X session unless they're sitting at the console. See this file for further information (its about a dozen lines). -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: temporary allowing telnet to use x-windows
Thanks, XWin32 was the other X server I was trying to remember. It's a pretty good client, free 30 day demo available, reasonable cost ($150 or so per seat). I haven't beat on it, but it looked pretty good running for an hour or so while I was using it. On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 09:58:28AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, Just a thought - you may be interested in checking out something like X-Win32. I played around with a demo for a bit and it seemed ok. Last URL I had was http://www.starnet.com. Cheers, Alan From: john smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:kmself@ix.netcom.com Cc:debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: re: temporary allowing telnet to use x-windows Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 05:56:01 GMT ok...I'll try to clarify thisBasically, What I want is: o User is on one machine in local network (windows) O Wants to connect to a second machine (debian) -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpc6S0kzpPkw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: temporary allowing telnet to use x-windows
On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 03:56:00AM +, john smith wrote: I would like to know how to temporarily allow a telnet session (bec. we're only on an intranet) to display the x-window. for example, a user telnets to the server using windows then he wants his x-window to display temporarily there..when he tries to startx, the x-server does not allow him to connect. how can this be accomplished easily? Lets try this: o User is on one machine in local network o Wants to connect to a second machine. I'm going to call these 10.1.0.1 and 10.1.0.2, respectively. User is 10.1.0.1, which is running an X session on display 0, and wants to telnet to 10.1.0.2, run an X client from 10.1.0.2 to 10.1.0.1. Do: telnet 10.1.0.2 (log in) $ export DISPLAY=10.1.0.1:0 $ xlogo ...xlogo should appear on user's *local* (10.1.0.1) display. ...if I've misunderstood your post, please clarify your question. One possible other interpretation is that you are trying to telnet *from* 10.1.0.1 to 10.1.0.2, and want to start an X session *on the remote host* (note that this ordinarily isn't viewable to the user). Generally, the file /etc/X11/Xserver disallows non-root users from initiating an X session unless they're sitting at the console. See this file for further information (its about a dozen lines). -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpiom20ZfcIf.pgp Description: PGP signature
re: temporary allowing telnet to use x-windows
ok...I'll try to clarify thisBasically, What I want is: o User is on one machine in local network (windows) O Wants to connect to a second machine (debian) user wants to telnet to debian (using windows) then wants to try to run x-window via telnet. how can these be done temporarily and easily? with no regard to security if it will make it easier... Does it make any sense? there is no particular reason why we want to do this other than just to try and make it work. ...if I've misunderstood your post, please clarify your question. One possible other interpretation is that you are trying to telnet *from* 10.1.0.1 to 10.1.0.2, and want to start an X session *on the remote host* (note that this ordinarily isn't viewable to the user). Generally, the file /etc/X11/Xserver disallows non-root users from initiating an X session unless they're sitting at the console. See this file for further information (its about a dozen lines). -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: temporary allowing telnet to use x-windows
On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 05:56:01AM +, john smith wrote: ok...I'll try to clarify thisBasically, What I want is: o User is on one machine in local network (windows) O Wants to connect to a second machine (debian) user wants to telnet to debian (using windows) then wants to try to run x-window via telnet. s/x-window/x client/ A given X application is called a client. You'll need an X server on the Windows box. Several are available, including Hummingbird Exceed, WRQ Reflection X, and others. how can these be done temporarily and easily? with no regard to security if it will make it easier... I provided this solution in my post. You may have to look into xhosts and Xauthority. RTFM or repost here. Note that what you're doing is **QUITE** insecure, and could provide worldwide access not only to data in transit between the boxes, but both the Linux and Windows desktops as well. I'd discovered this inadvertantly while playing with an X screenshot grabber pointed to a remote display -- it grabbed another user's X session -- which happened to be obscured by Windows, so I got their Windows desktop You do the math. A preferred alternative might be to use a VPN via an ssh channel: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ ...this gives you access to the Debian box, security (via ssh), session independence (your windows box dies -- so what). I'd recommend it. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpmsAbi1QM9p.pgp Description: PGP signature
re: temporary allowing telnet to use x-windows
Hi John, Just a thought - you may be interested in checking out something like X-Win32. I played around with a demo for a bit and it seemed ok. Last URL I had was http://www.starnet.com. Cheers, Alan From: john smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:kmself@ix.netcom.com Cc:debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: re: temporary allowing telnet to use x-windows Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 05:56:01 GMT ok...I'll try to clarify thisBasically, What I want is: o User is on one machine in local network (windows) O Wants to connect to a second machine (debian) user wants to telnet to debian (using windows) then wants to try to run x-window via telnet. how can these be done temporarily and easily? with no regard to security if it will make it easier... Does it make any sense? there is no particular reason why we want to do this other than just to try and make it work. ...if I've misunderstood your post, please clarify your question. One possible other interpretation is that you are trying to telnet *from* 10.1.0.1 to 10.1.0.2, and want to start an X session *on the remote host* (note that this ordinarily isn't viewable to the user). Generally, the file /etc/X11/Xserver disallows non-root users from initiating an X session unless they're sitting at the console. See this file for further information (its about a dozen lines). -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
