Re: telnet vs ssl

2000-07-18 Thread John Pearson
On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 02:09:03PM -0400, Ethan Pierce wrote
 Hi, im wondering about the security of telnet - people say its really
 unsecure...does this mean that someone would need to be running a network
 sniffer on my ip to catch the data?
 
 I telnet to my ISP from work, (only telnet available) then run SSH from
 ISP shell to home machineis this just as insecure as a straight
 connection via telnet right to my home machine?
 

Maybe, it depends how your data gets from work to your ISP.

If you're dialling up your ISP from work it's not so bad,
because only machines on your ISP's net can see the traffic from
your telnet session; if you're telnetting from your corporate
LAN across the Internet to your ISP then it's no better than
using Telnet alone.

You don't need an SSH server to use SSH from your workplace:
there are at least a couple of free Windows terminal programs
(teraterm pro and putty) that can use SSH, and you could
probably run them off a floppy.  Of course, your workplace may
be paranoid about you using or installing unauthorised software,
in which case you should try to persuade them to authorise one
of these (if they are across the security issues it shouldn't be
a problem, provided they don't mind you using your home machine
on work time).

HTH,


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telnet vs ssl

2000-07-17 Thread Ethan Pierce
Hi, im wondering about the security of telnet - people say its really 
unsecure...does this mean that someone would need to be running a network 
sniffer on my ip to catch the data?

I telnet to my ISP from work, (only telnet available) then run SSH from ISP 
shell to home machineis this just as insecure as a straight connection via 
telnet right to my home machine?

Thanks -Ethan



Re: telnet vs ssl

2000-07-17 Thread Mike Werner
Ethan Pierce wrote:
 Hi, im wondering about the security of telnet - people say its really
 unsecure...does this mean that someone would need to be running a network
 sniffer on my ip to catch the data?

Yup.  And there's plenty of different apps out there to do just that.

 I telnet to my ISP from work, (only telnet available) then run SSH from
 ISP shell to home machineis this just as insecure as a straight
 connection via telnet right to my home machine?

Sure is.  The data path from you to your ISP is completely unprotected. 
When you say only telnet available I take that means that SSH is not
available at the computer you have access to at work?  If so, then perhaps
you should look into finding an SSH client tat you can out onto the computer
at work if at all possible.
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Re: telnet vs ssl

2000-07-17 Thread Phil Brutsche
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

 Hi, im wondering about the security of telnet - people say its really
 unsecure...does this mean that someone would need to be running a
 network sniffer on my ip to catch the data?

Yep.  Telnet was written back when worrying about people sniffing
connections was a non-issue.

 I telnet to my ISP from work, (only telnet available) then run SSH
 from ISP shell to home machineis this just as insecure as a
 straight connection via telnet right to my home machine?

Yep: just as insecure - you don't know who between you and your ISP may be
running a packet sniffer.  Your only solution (that I know of) is to get
your sysadmin at work to unlock port 22 (the port used by ssh) at the
firewall (if it's a firewall that's blocking ssh).

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