testing distribution kernel upgrade question when mixing signed and unsigned
note: DO NOT DO THIS ON A PRODUCTION SYSTEM. last week i was running an unsigned kernel and went to upgrade it to a signed version and it came back with asking me about removing a running kernel. in recent times that hasn't been and issue so i aborted the install and then downloaded the desired kernel and installed it by hand myself. in the process of doing that i screwed up a few links but was able to recover since i had a bootable stable partition. i eventually got the unsigned kernel version removed and replaced by the desired signed version. todays upgrade went smoothlyy as expected. the question is for someone who has a system they're willing to play with and see if you can replicated my problem or not as i'd like to file a bug if there is indeed a problem. songbird
zabbix upgrade question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I've inherited responsibility for a server running zabbix, which I don't know much about. I've upgraded it from squeeze to wheezy, but there are no wheezy packages, so it's still running the squeeze ones. There are wheezy-backports packages, so I could use those. My question is - are there any gotchas upgrading from squeeze's 1.8 to wheezy-backports' 2.2 packages? Thanks, Richard -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUYxTAAAoJELSi8I/scBaNJE4H/R6EO1bJQ+gKLE58KBypL7Me 9werL6Q8wZEP8ER3wVk3rRnDs+58LOqjkZpq99cQL5jkDAvbQuVvwfuLRUw2PsSo QKhSBDPExJ0LsrueVKtgVriwp6Skca33FZo2Fwwr9CmZlUtkKLClkGFFUnBMlgN4 wvwNF9+5Tk+eZu5H6X0vdf6jX1EO0CcJ6q38rviXDD5pxdywxXVQ01lGr5tI8rZ6 LCoEXgJeZy3MKBFbE8kMK86UZ1vV8U/0UFMdzZg/ruLnR+LdnFO1MmHE3E2KC/+w xpyc+HkToER5v8iabaftRwf1AAJjwFFr+fxrcqmLmAEd27LLrbBVpfizTPt3GNo= =TCPC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546314ca.4040...@walnut.gen.nz
Re: upgrade question
Hello, On 20/09/13 15:25, François Patte wrote: > Le 20/09/2013 11:57, Jerome BENOIT a écrit : >> Hello List, >> >> >> On 20/09/13 11:39, François Patte wrote: >>> Bonjour, >>> >>> I want to see if I can get rid of: >>> >>> (evince:14988): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: >>> /tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.36.4/./gobject/gsignal.c:2593: instance >>> `0x7f8d6310ed90' has no handler with id `2342' >>> >>> (evince:14988): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: >>> /tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.36.4/./gobject/gsignal.c:2593: instance >>> `0x7f8d6310ed90' has no handler with id `2343' >>> >>> everytime I close evince and I try to upgrade evince... >> >> What do you mean by upgrade here ? > > From man apt-get: > upgrade >upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all > packages currently installed on the >system from the sources enumerated in /etc/apt/sources.list. > Packages currently installed >with new versions available are retrieved and upgraded; under > no circumstances are >currently installed packages removed, or packages not already > installed retrieved and >installed. New versions of currently installed packages that > cannot be upgraded without >changing the install status of another package will be left > at their current version. An >update must be performed first so that apt-get knows that new > versions of packages are >available. The next question: with which distribution are you playing ? I guess not the stable (currently Whezzy). > > > >> Have you tried to build deb balls from the debian source or to >> install directly the uptodate deb ball ? >> >> Building from debian source is the recommanded way. > > Yes I even got the kernel sources and compiled it from scratch! > > >> >> The result >>> is surprising: 461 packages will be upgraded, among them >>> xserver-xorg-video-ati (for instance)... Is evince depends on so >>> many packages? even the video server for ati video cards, while my >>> video card is nvidia... >>> >>> I don(t understand the dependencies: a lot of python packages, >>> spamassassin, apache... and so on. I just want to see if something >>> has been corrected in evince and libraries on which evince >>> depends... >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> >> hth, Jerome >> >> > hth, Jerome > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/523c5ac3.8080...@rezozer.net
Re: upgrade question
Le 20/09/2013 11:57, Jerome BENOIT a écrit : > Hello List, > > > On 20/09/13 11:39, François Patte wrote: >> Bonjour, >> >> I want to see if I can get rid of: >> >> (evince:14988): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: >> /tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.36.4/./gobject/gsignal.c:2593: instance >> `0x7f8d6310ed90' has no handler with id `2342' >> >> (evince:14988): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: >> /tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.36.4/./gobject/gsignal.c:2593: instance >> `0x7f8d6310ed90' has no handler with id `2343' >> >> everytime I close evince and I try to upgrade evince... > > What do you mean by upgrade here ? From man apt-get: upgrade upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed on the system from the sources enumerated in /etc/apt/sources.list. Packages currently installed with new versions available are retrieved and upgraded; under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages not already installed retrieved and installed. New versions of currently installed packages that cannot be upgraded without changing the install status of another package will be left at their current version. An update must be performed first so that apt-get knows that new versions of packages are available. > Have you tried to build deb balls from the debian source or to > install directly the uptodate deb ball ? > > Building from debian source is the recommanded way. Yes I even got the kernel sources and compiled it from scratch! > > The result >> is surprising: 461 packages will be upgraded, among them >> xserver-xorg-video-ati (for instance)... Is evince depends on so >> many packages? even the video server for ati video cards, while my >> video card is nvidia... >> >> I don(t understand the dependencies: a lot of python packages, >> spamassassin, apache... and so on. I just want to see if something >> has been corrected in evince and libraries on which evince >> depends... >> >> Thanks >> > > hth, Jerome > > -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: upgrade question
Hello List, On 20/09/13 11:39, François Patte wrote: > Bonjour, > > I want to see if I can get rid of: > > (evince:14988): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: > /tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.36.4/./gobject/gsignal.c:2593: instance > `0x7f8d6310ed90' has no handler with id `2342' > > (evince:14988): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: > /tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.36.4/./gobject/gsignal.c:2593: instance > `0x7f8d6310ed90' has no handler with id `2343' > > everytime I close evince and I try to upgrade evince... What do you mean by upgrade here ? Have you tried to build deb balls from the debian source or to install directly the uptodate deb ball ? Building from debian source is the recommanded way. The result > is surprising: 461 packages will be upgraded, among them > xserver-xorg-video-ati (for instance)... Is evince depends on so many > packages? even the video server for ati video cards, while my video card > is nvidia... > > I don(t understand the dependencies: a lot of python packages, > spamassassin, apache... and so on. I just want to see if something has > been corrected in evince and libraries on which evince depends... > > Thanks > hth, Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/523c1bed.3050...@rezozer.net
upgrade question
Bonjour, I want to see if I can get rid of: (evince:14988): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: /tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.36.4/./gobject/gsignal.c:2593: instance `0x7f8d6310ed90' has no handler with id `2342' (evince:14988): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: /tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.36.4/./gobject/gsignal.c:2593: instance `0x7f8d6310ed90' has no handler with id `2343' everytime I close evince and I try to upgrade evince... The result is surprising: 461 packages will be upgraded, among them xserver-xorg-video-ati (for instance)... Is evince depends on so many packages? even the video server for ati video cards, while my video card is nvidia... I don(t understand the dependencies: a lot of python packages, spamassassin, apache... and so on. I just want to see if something has been corrected in evince and libraries on which evince depends... Thanks -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: live-helper upgrade question
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:09:09AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,29.Dec.08, 16:33:49, Thomas H. George wrote: > > > > Could you please post the exact error message? > > > > > I don't know how to recover the information. I tried apt-get > > --reinstall install live-helper and got an almost immediate response > > "setting up live-helper". All I can report is that the first time I ran > > the dist-upgrade the setup phase produced more than a screen full of > > warning messages each saying something like > > /usr/share/live-helper/includes.debian/etch/... and > > /usr/share/live-helper/includes.debian/lenny/... contain duplicate > > Too bad, maybe you found a bug... > > > information. Since all the soft links point to sid I guess this is > > obvious and I should have just deleted the soft links. > > Maybe not. I think a real cleanup would have been purge->install. Just to be tidy I tried it. No surprises, hardly worth mentioning. After purge and install the /usr/share/live-helper directory now contains two subdirectories - lenny and etch - and two soft links - sid and squeeze - both of which point to the lenny subdirectory. There were no warnings during the install. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: live-helper upgrade question
On Mon,29.Dec.08, 16:33:49, Thomas H. George wrote: > > Could you please post the exact error message? > > > I don't know how to recover the information. I tried apt-get > --reinstall install live-helper and got an almost immediate response > "setting up live-helper". All I can report is that the first time I ran > the dist-upgrade the setup phase produced more than a screen full of > warning messages each saying something like > /usr/share/live-helper/includes.debian/etch/... and > /usr/share/live-helper/includes.debian/lenny/... contain duplicate Too bad, maybe you found a bug... > information. Since all the soft links point to sid I guess this is > obvious and I should have just deleted the soft links. Maybe not. I think a real cleanup would have been purge->install. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: live-helper upgrade question
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 09:12:20PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon,29.Dec.08, 14:08:59, Thomas H. George wrote: > > I ran update and dist-upgrade. The live-helper set up complained about > > duplicate files in /usr/share/live-helper/includes.debian directory. > > Checking I found the directory contained soft links from etch to sid and > > lenny to sid both dated 2008-06-16 and a soft link from squeeze to lenny > > dated 2008-12-29 (today). > > Could you please post the exact error message? > I don't know how to recover the information. I tried apt-get --reinstall install live-helper and got an almost immediate response "setting up live-helper". All I can report is that the first time I ran the dist-upgrade the setup phase produced more than a screen full of warning messages each saying something like /usr/share/live-helper/includes.debian/etch/... and /usr/share/live-helper/includes.debian/lenny/... contain duplicate information. Since all the soft links point to sid I guess this is obvious and I should have just deleted the soft links. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: live-helper upgrade question
On Mon,29.Dec.08, 14:08:59, Thomas H. George wrote: > I ran update and dist-upgrade. The live-helper set up complained about > duplicate files in /usr/share/live-helper/includes.debian directory. > Checking I found the directory contained soft links from etch to sid and > lenny to sid both dated 2008-06-16 and a soft link from squeeze to lenny > dated 2008-12-29 (today). Could you please post the exact error message? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
live-helper upgrade question
I ran update and dist-upgrade. The live-helper set up complained about duplicate files in /usr/share/live-helper/includes.debian directory. Checking I found the directory contained soft links from etch to sid and lenny to sid both dated 2008-06-16 and a soft link from squeeze to lenny dated 2008-12-29 (today). I haven't used live-helper since last June but am planning to do so again. Perhaps I delete all of this and reinstall? Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: server upgrade question
> From: Mag Gam [mailto:magaw...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:33 PM > Subject: server upgrade question > > At my university we have 10 servers. Each server has 8 cores with 32 > GIG of memory running Debian 4.0. We have to give these servers to a > different department, and our Dean would like to consiladate 10 > servers into 5 servers. The new server will have 16 cores with 64 GIG > of memory. Basically a 2:1 type of deal. > > Since we are doing a 2:1, should we expect 2:1 performance? For > instance, most of our applications are heavy compute and memory > intensive applications. Would they run at the same speed, better, or > worse with this new setup? My guess is that same? > > Oh, yeah will be running 4.0 :-) > > TIA It really depends. If your applications talk to each other a lot, chances are you will see an increase in speed when they don't have to go out to the LAN. You say your applications are Memory intensive and this will probably have the biggest impact. If the application is greedy and just uses all of the memory it can get its hands on, then you will probably see a decrease in performance as the instances of the applications will fight. If the application uses a set amount of memory (eg 2GB) and just constantly read/writes to that portion, then you probably won't notice a difference. When dealing with applications across multiple systems/cores it is very important to determine exactly what your overhead and constraints are first before trying to "upgrade" the system. A good example is a cluster I worked on a few years ago. It started out as five P3 500Mhz boxes. When we upgraded to fifteen Athlon 1.2Ghz systems, our application slowed to a crawl. The cross-talk on the LAN connection was killing the app. We temporarily configured just 2 of the Athlon systems and got better performance then either of the previous configurations while we recoded the app to better deal with scalability. If you can identify where the applications bottlenecks and strengths are, you will be in a much better position to know how hardware upgrades will affect your results. Have fun! ~S~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: server upgrade question
Mag Gam wrote: At my university we have 10 servers. Each server has 8 cores with 32 GIG of memory running Debian 4.0. We have to give these servers to a different department, and our Dean would like to consiladate 10 servers into 5 servers. The new server will have 16 cores with 64 GIG of memory. Basically a 2:1 type of deal. Since we are doing a 2:1, should we expect 2:1 performance? For instance, most of our applications are heavy compute and memory intensive applications. Would they run at the same speed, better, or worse with this new setup? My guess is that same? Oh, yeah will be running 4.0 :-) TIA Too many variables to tell, but it won't be 2:1. That won't be possible due to resource contention. If you aren't using your existing cores effectively, you might not see any performance gain on a server-for-server basis. But for typical systems, you might expect a 25-50% increase over an existing system. That is, of course, assuming all other things (CPU speed, hardware cache sizes, disk speed, etc.) remain the same. Changing those parameters makes things more complicated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: server upgrade question
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:33:09PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote: > At my university we have 10 servers. Each server has 8 cores with 32 > GIG of memory running Debian 4.0. We have to give these servers to a > different department, and our Dean would like to consiladate 10 > servers into 5 servers. The new server will have 16 cores with 64 GIG > of memory. Basically a 2:1 type of deal. > > Since we are doing a 2:1, should we expect 2:1 performance? For > instance, most of our applications are heavy compute and memory > intensive applications. Would they run at the same speed, better, or > worse with this new setup? My guess is that same? > Will the new servers have double the number of busses, double the hard drive throughput, double the memory bandwidth? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: server upgrade question
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:33:09PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote: > At my university we have 10 servers. Each server has 8 cores with 32 > GIG of memory running Debian 4.0. We have to give these servers to a > different department, and our Dean would like to consiladate 10 > servers into 5 servers. The new server will have 16 cores with 64 GIG > of memory. Basically a 2:1 type of deal. > > Since we are doing a 2:1, should we expect 2:1 performance? For > instance, most of our applications are heavy compute and memory > intensive applications. Would they run at the same speed, better, or > worse with this new setup? My guess is that same? > > Oh, yeah will be running 4.0 :-) Huh? 10 servers * 8 cores * 32GB makes 80 cores and 320GB. 5 servers * 16 cores * 64GB makes 80 cores and 320GB. Even assuming that all the cores operate at the same speed (which depends, for example, on how many cores per CPU there are), you'll lose a lot of performance because the same amount of cores and memory will have to share 1/2 the amount of servers. That might cut your performance in half. The other way round: Imagine you have two computers with one CPU, one core each. You have 16GB of memory in each. Now you replace the two computers with one that has one dual core CPU and 32GB of memory. It will be slower because instead of having "dedicated" resources for each core, you now have several cores sharing the resources. If you replace them with a computer that has two single core CPUs on the board, it will also be slower because two CPUs share the resources. Other than that, the performance can better or worse, there are too many other factors that influence it. You'd have to do some benchmarks to tell. -- "Don't let them, daddy. Don't let the stars run down." http://adin.dyndns.org/adin/TheLastQ.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
server upgrade question
At my university we have 10 servers. Each server has 8 cores with 32 GIG of memory running Debian 4.0. We have to give these servers to a different department, and our Dean would like to consiladate 10 servers into 5 servers. The new server will have 16 cores with 64 GIG of memory. Basically a 2:1 type of deal. Since we are doing a 2:1, should we expect 2:1 performance? For instance, most of our applications are heavy compute and memory intensive applications. Would they run at the same speed, better, or worse with this new setup? My guess is that same? Oh, yeah will be running 4.0 :-) TIA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: gstreamer ugly library upgrade question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/04/07 06:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > hey all, > i use debian sid (unstable) amd64 release and after a recent upgrade, > gstreamer ugly library creates lots of problems with all sorts of What does "gstreamer ugly library" mean? > programs (rythmbox and gnome baker for example) > how can i upgrade my gstreamer library the debian way?? apt-get? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA %SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVY+xS9HxQb37XmcRAu4aAJ0eOp8i7CNDNSKzW6PJml25xVlpUwCeNHYO c9fC7y2HDJ6gk0O0x5mnw9E= =vFAu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gstreamer ugly library upgrade question
hey all, i use debian sid (unstable) amd64 release and after a recent upgrade, gstreamer ugly library creates lots of problems with all sorts of programs (rythmbox and gnome baker for example) how can i upgrade my gstreamer library the debian way?? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel upgrade question
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 22:48:42 -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 08:03:25PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > > I've got one machine running Debian Sid that has not be upgraded in a > > month or so. It's running a custom kernel I built who-knows-when > > (2.6.6). Frankly, I can't remember the reason for the custom kernel. > > So am I wedged? > > $ sudo apt-get -f install > Preparing to replace libc6 2.5-9+b1 (using .../libc6_2.6.1-4_i386.deb) ... > > WARNING: POSIX threads library NPTL requires kernel version > 2.6.8 or later. If you use a kernel 2.4, please upgrade it > before installing glibc. > > Ok, so try and install a new Kernel: > > $ sudo apt-get install linux-image-k7 > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > kernel-patch-xfs: Depends: grep-dctrl > libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.6.1-4) but 2.5-9+b1 is to be installed > linux-image-k7: Depends: linux-image-2.6-k7 but it is not going to be > installed > locales: Depends: glibc-2.6-1 > E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify > a solution). You could try something like this: - boot a Debian(-based) live/rescue CD with a new enough kernel - chroot into your normal installation - update libc6 et al. - install the new kernel image - verify that grub knows about the new kernel - reboot your system with the new kernel image I think this should work, but I never tried anything like that myself, therefore I cannot guarantee anything. -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel upgrade question
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 08:03:25PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > I've got one machine running Debian Sid that has not be upgraded in a > month or so. It's running a custom kernel I built who-knows-when > (2.6.6). Frankly, I can't remember the reason for the custom kernel. So am I wedged? $ sudo apt-get -f install Preparing to replace libc6 2.5-9+b1 (using .../libc6_2.6.1-4_i386.deb) ... WARNING: POSIX threads library NPTL requires kernel version 2.6.8 or later. If you use a kernel 2.4, please upgrade it before installing glibc. Ok, so try and install a new Kernel: $ sudo apt-get install linux-image-k7 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies: kernel-patch-xfs: Depends: grep-dctrl libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.6.1-4) but 2.5-9+b1 is to be installed linux-image-k7: Depends: linux-image-2.6-k7 but it is not going to be installed locales: Depends: glibc-2.6-1 E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel upgrade question
I've got one machine running Debian Sid that has not be upgraded in a month or so. It's running a custom kernel I built who-knows-when (2.6.6). Frankly, I can't remember the reason for the custom kernel. But, I'm a bit concerned because I probably compiled most features into the kernel and not as modules. Anyway, the upgrade is asking to upgrade glibc and says: WARNING: POSIX threads library NPTL requires kernel version 2.6.8 or later. If you use a kernel 2.4, please upgrade it before installing glibc. I'm not clear on the image to install. Is linux-image-2.6-k7 a dummy package for the most recent image (linux-image-2.6.22-2-k7)? So, linux-image-2.6-k7 is the correct kernel? Here's my modules, cpuinfo, and lspci -- just in case anything jumps out that might be a problem. $ lsmod Module Size Used by mga 103792 0 lp 10564 0 uhci_hcd 30672 0 ohci1394 34756 0 ieee1394 108340 1 ohci1394 w83627hf 28612 0 eeprom 7752 0 i2c_sensor 2944 2 w83627hf,eeprom i2c_isa 2048 0 i2c_viapro 7052 0 i2c_core 23044 5 w83627hf,eeprom,i2c_sensor,i2c_isa,i2c_viapro $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 6 model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor stepping: 2 cpu MHz : 1150.591 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips: 2260.99 $ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333] 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333 AGP] 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07) 00:06.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 07) 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) 00:09.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB12LV26 IEEE-1394 Controller (Link) 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1b) 00:11.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1b) 00:11.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1b) 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 10) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G550 AGP (rev 01) -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel-image upgrade question
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 09:20:55PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 09:01:56PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > > The concern is that if something goes wrong with the upgrade, you may be > > forced to do a reinstall. When I tried updating one of my boxes, > > something bad happened while dpkg was installing libc6 which left the > > whole system dead since everything but busybox-static needs libc6. > > > This is where something like Knoppix can really come to the rescue > (assuming you run i386). Though, there are lots of different live CDs > out there. I'd find that meets your needs and keep an extra copy laying > around. > The box in question is a 486 with 32 MB ram. Can't boot from CD and doesn't have the memory for anything fancy. Since the debian installer doesn't work on that little bit of memory, I'm trying out different BSDs on it. To replace it, I put together a PII with 64 MB ram which seems like close to the minimum to make etch and Xorg run; its tight. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel-image upgrade question
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 06:23:16PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 03:17:03PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 04:11:19PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 12:26:18PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > > > > > > > So why is hotplug removed? Does udev replace it? > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > Also, have you read the release notes so you know where the bears are > > > at? > > > > No. Which release notes? > > > http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes Ah, I thought you were talking about kernel-image notes. Re-installing from scratch would not be the end of the world on that laptop. Nothing critical on it that isn't rsynced to other machines daily. > Read them carefully before doing anything. Then read them again. Then > read them as you do the actual upgrade. Good advice. Might be too late -- hopefully I can read them on the laptop when I have time later. -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 09:01:56PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > The concern is that if something goes wrong with the upgrade, you may be > forced to do a reinstall. When I tried updating one of my boxes, > something bad happened while dpkg was installing libc6 which left the > whole system dead since everything but busybox-static needs libc6. > This is where something like Knoppix can really come to the rescue (assuming you run i386). Though, there are lots of different live CDs out there. I'd find that meets your needs and keep an extra copy laying around. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Kernel-image upgrade question
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 06:23:16PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 03:17:03PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 04:11:19PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 12:26:18PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > > > > > > Also, have you read the release notes so you know where the bears are > > > at? > > > > No. Which release notes? > > > http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes > > Read them carefully before doing anything. Then read them again. Then > read them as you do the actual upgrade. And before you do the actual upgrade: Have a full backup of all your data: /etc /home /usr/local /var/local +??? Print out and have read the installation manual for your port and language. Create and test Etch installation media for your box unless you have a working spare box to do this. However, if don't have it, in the event you need it, your target box will be unavailable while you create it. The concern is that if something goes wrong with the upgrade, you may be forced to do a reinstall. When I tried updating one of my boxes, something bad happened while dpkg was installing libc6 which left the whole system dead since everything but busybox-static needs libc6. Whenever you do something, you need a fall-back position. dist-upgrades usually work but when they don't you don't have the option of a dist-downgrade to get back to where you were. Remember your friend, Justin Case. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel-image upgrade question
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 03:17:03PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 04:11:19PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 12:26:18PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > > > > > So why is hotplug removed? Does udev replace it? > > > > Yes. > > > > Also, have you read the release notes so you know where the bears are > > at? > > No. Which release notes? > http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes Read them carefully before doing anything. Then read them again. Then read them as you do the actual upgrade. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Kernel-image upgrade question
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 04:11:19PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 12:26:18PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > > > So why is hotplug removed? Does udev replace it? > > Yes. > > Also, have you read the release notes so you know where the bears are > at? No. Which release notes? -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 12:26:18PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote: > So why is hotplug removed? Does udev replace it? Yes. Also, have you read the release notes so you know where the bears are at? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel-image upgrade question
So upgrading an older PIII Toshiba laptop to etch, currently it has: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l | grep kernel-image ii kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 2.6.8-16sarge1 ii kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 2.6.8-16sarge1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: busybox initramfs-tools klibc-utils libklibc libvolume-id0 udev Suggested packages: linux-doc-2.6.18 Recommended packages: libc6-i686 The following packages will be REMOVED hotplug The following NEW packages will be installed busybox initramfs-tools klibc-utils libklibc libvolume-id0 linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 udev 0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 1 to remove and 3 not upgraded. Need to get 16.9MB/17.2MB of archives. After unpacking 49.9MB of additional disk space will be used. So why is hotplug removed? Does udev replace it? -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade question
Florian:
Many thanks. This is exaclty what i was looking for.
Paras.
On 7/10/06, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 18:56:14 +0545, Paras pradhan wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Yes i did using apt-get. I am using etch and have gnome 2.14 now.
>
> Is it possible to see the new related packages that can be upgraded
> using synaptic for main package gnome-core?
I don't know about synaptic, but if you don't mind using the command
line you can install the package "apt-rdepends" to list all dependencies
of a given package. This is done recursively, i.e. it will also include
the dependencies of the dependencies and so on until you have a complete
list of everything that is needed.
To make sure these packages are all in the newest version you can run:
apt-rdepends --state-follow=Installed --state-show=Installed gnome-core | awk
'/^ /{print $2}' | sort -u | sudo apt-get install $(cat)
This is supposed to be all on one line. (Email programs sometimes insert
line breaks which screw up such long commands.)
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On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 18:56:14 +0545, Paras pradhan wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Yes i did using apt-get. I am using etch and have gnome 2.14 now.
>
> Is it possible to see the new related packages that can be upgraded
> using synaptic for main package gnome-core?
I don't know about synaptic, but if you don't mind using the command
line you can install the package "apt-rdepends" to list all dependencies
of a given package. This is done recursively, i.e. it will also include
the dependencies of the dependencies and so on until you have a complete
list of everything that is needed.
To make sure these packages are all in the newest version you can run:
apt-rdepends --state-follow=Installed --state-show=Installed gnome-core | awk
'/^ /{print $2}' | sort -u | sudo apt-get install $(cat)
This is supposed to be all on one line. (Email programs sometimes insert
line breaks which screw up such long commands.)
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Hello Paras! > Yes i did using apt-get. I am using etch and have gnome 2.14 now. > > Is it possible to see the new related packages that can be upgraded > using synaptic for main package gnome-core? In synaptic you can see in status the upgradeable packages. But I thing that you have the lastes versions If you want i can send you my packages list. And i updated my box last friday CU Michael -- ,''`. Michael Ott, e-mail: michael at zolnott dot de : :' : Debian SID on Thinkpad T43: `. `'http://www.zolnott.de/laptop/ibm-t43-uc34nge.html `- Jeden Mittwoch von 21 - 24 Uhr. Zosh! auf Radio Z. Das Härteste, was der Musikmarkt zu bieten hat. http://www.zosh.de Online hören: http://www.radio-z.net
Re: Upgrade question
Michael, Yes i did using apt-get. I am using etch and have gnome 2.14 now. Is it possible to see the new related packages that can be upgraded using synaptic for main package gnome-core? Thanks Paras. On 7/10/06, Michael Ott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Paras! > I have a question regarding related packages upgrades. > > > Four weeks back i upgraded my gnome 2.10 to gnome 2.14 using etch and > command apt-get install gnome-core and upgradeed to gnome 2.14 > successfully.. At that time the related packages were still moving to > the etch repo. Now when i do again apt-get install gnome-core it said > "gnome-core is already the newest version", but i belive now there are > many related packages to gnome-core in the etch repository. I wanted > to know how to upgrade the related packages of gnome-core ( rather > than using apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade ) since i am unable to > upgrade them using apt-get install gnome-core. Do you update your system during the time using apt-get. If yes i believe all packages are uptodate. If you want know whether all your packages is uptodate you can use synaptic and search whether all the depencies are uptodate. But in etch gnome-core has version 2.12.3. In unstable there is 2.14 CU Michael -- ,''`. Michael Ott, e-mail: michael at zolnott dot de : :' : Debian SID on Thinkpad T43: `. `'http://www.zolnott.de/laptop/ibm-t43-uc34nge.html `- Jeden Mittwoch von 21 - 24 Uhr. Zosh! auf Radio Z. Das Härteste, was der Musikmarkt zu bieten hat. http://www.zosh.de Online hören: http://www.radio-z.net
Re: Upgrade question
Hello Paras! > I have a question regarding related packages upgrades. > > > Four weeks back i upgraded my gnome 2.10 to gnome 2.14 using etch and > command apt-get install gnome-core and upgradeed to gnome 2.14 > successfully.. At that time the related packages were still moving to > the etch repo. Now when i do again apt-get install gnome-core it said > "gnome-core is already the newest version", but i belive now there are > many related packages to gnome-core in the etch repository. I wanted > to know how to upgrade the related packages of gnome-core ( rather > than using apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade ) since i am unable to > upgrade them using apt-get install gnome-core. Do you update your system during the time using apt-get. If yes i believe all packages are uptodate. If you want know whether all your packages is uptodate you can use synaptic and search whether all the depencies are uptodate. But in etch gnome-core has version 2.12.3. In unstable there is 2.14 CU Michael -- ,''`. Michael Ott, e-mail: michael at zolnott dot de : :' : Debian SID on Thinkpad T43: `. `'http://www.zolnott.de/laptop/ibm-t43-uc34nge.html `- Jeden Mittwoch von 21 - 24 Uhr. Zosh! auf Radio Z. Das Härteste, was der Musikmarkt zu bieten hat. http://www.zosh.de Online hören: http://www.radio-z.net
Upgrade question
Hello all: I have a question regarding related packages upgrades. Four weeks back i upgraded my gnome 2.10 to gnome 2.14 using etch and command apt-get install gnome-core and upgradeed to gnome 2.14 successfully.. At that time the related packages were still moving to the etch repo. Now when i do again apt-get install gnome-core it said "gnome-core is already the newest version", but i belive now there are many related packages to gnome-core in the etch repository. I wanted to know how to upgrade the related packages of gnome-core ( rather than using apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade ) since i am unable to upgrade them using apt-get install gnome-core. Thanks Paras. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: distribution upgrade question
Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:27:54 + Magnus Therning
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:13:51AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:59:08 +0100 Florian Kulzer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Joey Hess wrote:
Florian Kulzer wrote:
I would go so far as to say that "Debian Unstable" is an
oxymoron.
From WordNet (r) 2.0 (August 2003) [wn]:
unstable ... 6: subject to change; variable; "a fluid
situation fraught with uncertainty"; "everything was unstable
following the coup" [syn: {fluid}]
Uh-oh, I obviously should consult a dictionary before shooting
off my mouth like that...
In my defense, I am a chemist and this seems to have determined
my interpretation of the term:
4. Chemistry a. Decomposing readily. b. Highly or violently
reactive.
(from dictionary.reference.com)
Regards, Florian
When you talk about computers, "unstable" usually doesn't mean
anything good, so I don't think your interpretation was bad ;)
something like:
"X. Computers usually refers to a computer/OS/application that
crashes, often without any (apparent) reason ..."
I've had to explain to a manager or two that when Debian uses
"unstable" it doesn't quite mean what people have become used to.
When a certain company based in Redmond says "unstable" they really
mean UNSTABLE. (OTOH when they say "stable" they come close to
Debian's use of "unstable" :-)
/M
THEY WISH! I would rather run a server with Debian unstable than any
M$ OS!
I think that "stable" has the normal definition in the Redmond
dictionary, but it is meant to be understood in the context of "a stable
source of revenue for us, while users scramble from upgrade to upgrade,
desperately hoping that the next one will end the madness".
Regards,
Florian
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Re: distribution upgrade question
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 08:47:01AM +1100, Star King of the Grape Trees wrote: >Magnus Therning wrote: > >>On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 04:39:01AM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: >> >>> Where is the list of installed packages kept on >>>these systems, if I can store a list I can make a script out of it and >>>more quickly return to where I was if a cd reinstall is necessary using >>>that script to download the missing packages? >>> >> >>% dpkg -l > packages.txt >> >Wouldn't dpkg --get-selections be better for this? Much better! I learnt something from this thread too ;-) /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://therning.org/magnus Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish. Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship by patent law on written works. Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. -- Quote from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs pgpe8N33weDmw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Re: distribution upgrade question
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:27:54 +
Magnus Therning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:13:51AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:59:08 +0100
> >Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Joey Hess wrote:
> >> > Florian Kulzer wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>I would go so far as to say that "Debian Unstable" is an oxymoron.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From WordNet (r) 2.0 (August 2003) [wn]:
> >> >
> >> > unstable
> >> > ...
> >> > 6: subject to change; variable; "a fluid situation fraught with
> >> > uncertainty"; "everything was unstable following the coup"
> >> > [syn: {fluid}]
> >>
> >> Uh-oh, I obviously should consult a dictionary before shooting off my
> >> mouth like that...
> >>
> >> In my defense, I am a chemist and this seems to have determined my
> >> interpretation of the term:
> >>
> >> 4. Chemistry
> >> a. Decomposing readily.
> >> b. Highly or violently reactive.
> >>
> >> (from dictionary.reference.com)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Florian
> >
> >When you talk about computers, "unstable" usually doesn't mean anything
> >good, so I don't think your interpretation was bad ;) something like:
> >
> >"X. Computers
> > usually refers to a computer/OS/application that crashes, often
> > without any (apparent) reason ..."
>
> I've had to explain to a manager or two that when Debian uses "unstable"
> it doesn't quite mean what people have become used to. When a certain
> company based in Redmond says "unstable" they really mean UNSTABLE.
> (OTOH when they say "stable" they come close to Debian's use of
> "unstable" :-)
>
> /M
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Re: distribution upgrade question
Magnus Therning wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 04:39:01AM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: Where is the list of installed packages kept on these systems, if I can store a list I can make a script out of it and more quickly return to where I was if a cd reinstall is necessary using that script to download the missing packages? % dpkg -l > packages.txt Wouldn't dpkg --get-selections be better for this? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: distribution upgrade question
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 04:39:01AM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: >First thanks much for the steps for doing this upgrade. So far as I >can tell, it's not possible to rebuild gnome with all the accessibility >bits included without first being on an unstable distro first. Second >the Xwindows interface once I get it talking may enable multimedia >access conssole certainly didn't on the streaming media I tried it out >it was just audio media and wouldn't work for lack of avisynth.dll >which is what mplayer claimed it needed. Let's see if I can ask a more >intelligent question which if it can be done might be a good Step 0 in >this upgrade process. Where is the list of installed packages kept on >these systems, if I can store a list I can make a script out of it and >more quickly return to where I was if a cd reinstall is necessary using >that script to download the missing packages? I think I can use sed to >strip the version stuff off the end of the package names once I find >that list or hope I can. If I understand you correctly you want a list of the installed packages on your Debian system, right? Try % dpkg -l > packages.txt You'll find a (long) list of packages in the file 'packages.txt' after that. /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://therning.org/magnus Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish. Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship by patent law on written works. The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true. -- Albert Einstein pgpIGQw1C9bhD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: distribution upgrade question
Jude DaShiell wrote:
[...]
Where is the list of installed packages kept on
these systems, if I can store a list I can make a script out of it and
more quickly return to where I was if a cd reinstall is necessary using
that script to download the missing packages? I think I can use sed to
strip the version stuff off the end of the package names once I find
that list or hope I can.
You can do
dpkg --get-selections "*" > packages.txt
on one computer, then copy packages.txt to another computer and do
dselect update
dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt
apt-get -u dselect-upgrade
to install the same packages.
If you just want a list of all installed packages for further
processing, try:
dpkg --get-selections | awk '/install$/{print $1}'
A really good source to learn about such tricks is
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html
Regards,
Florian
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First thanks much for the steps for doing this upgrade. So far as I can tell, it's not possible to rebuild gnome with all the accessibility bits included without first being on an unstable distro first. Second the Xwindows interface once I get it talking may enable multimedia access conssole certainly didn't on the streaming media I tried it out it was just audio media and wouldn't work for lack of avisynth.dll which is what mplayer claimed it needed. Let's see if I can ask a more intelligent question which if it can be done might be a good Step 0 in this upgrade process. Where is the list of installed packages kept on these systems, if I can store a list I can make a script out of it and more quickly return to where I was if a cd reinstall is necessary using that script to download the missing packages? I think I can use sed to strip the version stuff off the end of the package names once I find that list or hope I can. On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Magnus Therning wrote: On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 05:16:02AM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: What would the steps be to go from sarge stable to sarge unstable using apt-get? For now I'm restricted to console mode until or unless I figure out how to get debian's xwindows interface talking. First off, Sarge is the stable release, Sid is the (permanent) name of unstable. :-) Step one is to think once again of why you are doing this! Step two is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list. This is the relevant part of mine: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free Yes, you should include 'testing' as well as 'unstable'. Step three is to run `apt-get update`, then `apt-get dist-upgrade`. If you're religious this is a good time to pray... /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://therning.org/magnus Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish. Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship by patent law on written works. "Sendmail" and "make" are two well known programs that are pretty widely regarded as being debugged into existence. That's why their command languages are so poorly thought out and difficult to learn. It's not just you -- everyone finds them troublesome. -- Peter van der Linden, Expert C Programming, p. 220 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:13:51AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:59:08 +0100
>Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Joey Hess wrote:
>> > Florian Kulzer wrote:
>> >
>> >>I would go so far as to say that "Debian Unstable" is an oxymoron.
>> >
>> >
>> > From WordNet (r) 2.0 (August 2003) [wn]:
>> >
>> > unstable
>> > ...
>> > 6: subject to change; variable; "a fluid situation fraught with
>> > uncertainty"; "everything was unstable following the coup"
>> > [syn: {fluid}]
>>
>> Uh-oh, I obviously should consult a dictionary before shooting off my
>> mouth like that...
>>
>> In my defense, I am a chemist and this seems to have determined my
>> interpretation of the term:
>>
>> 4. Chemistry
>> a. Decomposing readily.
>> b. Highly or violently reactive.
>>
>> (from dictionary.reference.com)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Florian
>
>When you talk about computers, "unstable" usually doesn't mean anything good,
>so I don't think your interpretation was bad ;) something like:
>
>"X. Computers
> usually refers to a computer/OS/application that crashes, often
> without any (apparent) reason ..."
I've had to explain to a manager or two that when Debian uses "unstable"
it doesn't quite mean what people have become used to. When a certain
company based in Redmond says "unstable" they really mean UNSTABLE.
(OTOH when they say "stable" they come close to Debian's use of
"unstable" :-)
/M
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Re: distribution upgrade question
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100 Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: because SID breakes. period. you must know what yu are doing, how to fix problems and avoid doing unattended updates or something like that ;) I'm curious about this. I've been running pure sid for over a year and have never had anything break . What is people's experience with this? I agree with Thomas Jollans. Unstable breaks once in a while (atleast for me). There were times when couple of my favorites were uninstallable (like labplot, texmacs etc.,) and there were times when there will be GPG errors from the mirrors, there were times when kde was not fully installable, there were times when kernel upgrade was painful due to yaird/initrd issue. I can go on and on about this. But the conclusion is that unstable is not for everybody. If you are planning to use unstable, better be sure of what you are landing into - A land of chaos :-) At the end of the day, I still use unstable. I dont know why! Something drags me into it, I think :-) And yes, I update. probably about once a week, though if I see something critical in the list of packages to upgrade (like anything to do with X) then I'll wait a few more days just in case. Now a days, I dont upgrade my sid box at all. Only when I want to report a bug against a package, I check to see if there is a new version of it and check if the new version solves the problem. Otherwise, I never upgrade the package. raju -- http://kamaraju.googlepages.com/cornell-bazaar http://groups.google.com/group/cornell-bazaar/about -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: distribution upgrade question
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:59:08 +0100
Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joey Hess wrote:
> > Florian Kulzer wrote:
> >
> >>I would go so far as to say that "Debian Unstable" is an oxymoron.
> >
> >
> > From WordNet (r) 2.0 (August 2003) [wn]:
> >
> > unstable
> > ...
> > 6: subject to change; variable; "a fluid situation fraught with
> > uncertainty"; "everything was unstable following the coup"
> > [syn: {fluid}]
>
> Uh-oh, I obviously should consult a dictionary before shooting off my
> mouth like that...
>
> In my defense, I am a chemist and this seems to have determined my
> interpretation of the term:
>
> 4. Chemistry
> a. Decomposing readily.
> b. Highly or violently reactive.
>
> (from dictionary.reference.com)
>
> Regards,
> Florian
When you talk about computers, "unstable" usually doesn't mean anything good,
so I don't think your interpretation was bad ;) something like:
"X. Computers
usually refers to a computer/OS/application that crashes, often without
any
(apparent) reason ..."
Andrei
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Joey Hess wrote:
Florian Kulzer wrote:
I would go so far as to say that "Debian Unstable" is an oxymoron.
From WordNet (r) 2.0 (August 2003) [wn]:
unstable
...
6: subject to change; variable; "a fluid situation fraught with
uncertainty"; "everything was unstable following the coup"
[syn: {fluid}]
Uh-oh, I obviously should consult a dictionary before shooting off my
mouth like that...
In my defense, I am a chemist and this seems to have determined my
interpretation of the term:
4. Chemistry
a. Decomposing readily.
b. Highly or violently reactive.
(from dictionary.reference.com)
Regards,
Florian
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Florian Kulzer wrote:
> I would go so far as to say that "Debian Unstable" is an oxymoron.
From WordNet (r) 2.0 (August 2003) [wn]:
unstable
...
6: subject to change; variable; "a fluid situation fraught with
uncertainty"; "everything was unstable following the coup"
[syn: {fluid}]
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On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:45:31PM +0100, Thomas Jollans wrote: >On Tuesday 14 March 2006 11:39, Magnus Therning wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 05:16:02AM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: [..] >> Step two is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list. This is the relevant part of >> mine: >> >> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free >> deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free >> deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free >> >> Yes, you should include 'testing' as well as 'unstable'. >rubbish. if not, why ? unstable includes everything. I might have gotten this wrong, but I'm fairly sure that it's been the case earlier that packages _moved_ from unstable to testing, meaning that unstable actually didn't include everything. As I said though, I might be wrong :-) /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://therning.org/magnus Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish. Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship by patent law on written works. Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. -- Quote from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs pgpE5Cj199WuN.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:05:56 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:27:07 +0200 > Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think many from this list recalls the yaird issue which made an > > unbootable initrd. I got "hit" directly :) Though I learned to *always* > > keep a second kernel installed it still counts as a break. > > Good point, and I had forgotten about that little episode... it hit me too. > But I really consider that to be in a different category -- anything that > changes the kernel of your OS is a critical upgrade and requires special > treatment. A kernel change is one of those things I watch for in my > upgrades... I guess my point is that if one is careful and watches what they > do, breakage should be rare or better. And certainly, keeping an old kernel > around is a good idea. The system doesn't "break", you just get an unusable > kernel... nothing to prevent you from falling back to the older one. > > A I've had kernel upgrade in stable. I was using that computer without a monitor at that time (and that was after that episode) so you can imagine I took all precautions I could think of. The upgrade worked without a glitch. That's the difference between stable and unstable! Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:27:07 +0200 Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think many from this list recalls the yaird issue which made an unbootable > initrd. I got "hit" directly :) Though I learned to *always* keep a second > kernel installed it still counts as a break. Good point, and I had forgotten about that little episode... it hit me too. But I really consider that to be in a different category -- anything that changes the kernel of your OS is a critical upgrade and requires special treatment. A kernel change is one of those things I watch for in my upgrades... I guess my point is that if one is careful and watches what they do, breakage should be rare or better. And certainly, keeping an old kernel around is a good idea. The system doesn't "break", you just get an unusable kernel... nothing to prevent you from falling back to the older one. A > > Andrei > -- > If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert > Einstein) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > pgpyVyATfA6Ex.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:42:47 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100 > Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > because SID breakes. period. you must know what yu are doing, how to fix > > problems and avoid doing unattended updates or something like that ;) > > > I'm curious about this. I've been running pure sid for over a year and have > never had anything break . > > What is people's experience with this? I think many from this list recalls the yaird issue which made an unbootable initrd. I got "hit" directly :) Though I learned to *always* keep a second kernel installed it still counts as a break. Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matt Zagrabelny wrote: > ive been running sid for 4 to 5 years and there have been glitches > (maybe severe ones once a year), but by-in-large if i want to try new ^^^ The term is actually "by and large" and it is actually a nautical term. Though, today it has come to mean "in general" as you have used it. http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bya1.htm http://www.io.com/gibbonsb/words.words.words.html http://www.fortogden.com/nauticalterms.html -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Clive Menzies wrote: On (14/03/06 10:42), Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100 Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] I'm curious about this. I've been running pure sid for over a year and have never had anything break . What is people's experience with this? I update daily (amd64 and 32bit chroot) and so far haven't experienced any serious breakages. Using aptitude and apt-listbugs seems to keep me out of trouble. I have the same impression. (I am on i386.) I also find apt-listchanges useful since it automatically notifies me about all news related to the occasional changes to overall design, the way configuration files work, etc. Using a mirror in Europe probably gives me some additional safety as well, since it adds a slight delay during which the people from the US will hopefully report all grave bugs. I would go so far as to say that "Debian Unstable" is an oxymoron. Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:42:47AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100 > Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > because SID breakes. period. you must know what yu are doing, how to fix > > problems and avoid doing unattended updates or something like that ;) sid does *not* break, period. it depends on what you are doing. if you have thousands of packages installed instead of hundreds, you are more likely to see conflicts and broken packages, however, if you have a relatively constant setup sid works well. ive been running sid for 4 to 5 years and there have been glitches (maybe severe ones once a year), but by-in-large if i want to try new software, i run aptitude and install it. it works and doesnt break. let me finish with this thought: all computer software breaks. its true, if you use it long enough, or install enough of it, you will experience breakage. then you have to fix it. sid is no different. -matt zagrabelny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On (14/03/06 10:42), Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100 > Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > because SID breakes. period. you must know what yu are doing, how to fix > > problems and avoid doing unattended updates or something like that ;) > > I'm curious about this. I've been running pure sid for over a year and have > never had anything break . > > What is people's experience with this? I update daily (amd64 and 32bit chroot) and so far haven't experienced any serious breakages. Using aptitude and apt-listbugs seems to keep me out of trouble. Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:45:31 +0100 Thomas Jollans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > because SID breakes. period. you must know what yu are doing, how to fix > problems and avoid doing unattended updates or something like that ;) I'm curious about this. I've been running pure sid for over a year and have never had anything break . What is people's experience with this? And yes, I update. probably about once a week, though if I see something critical in the list of packages to upgrade (like anything to do with X) then I'll wait a few more days just in case. So what sort of breakages? how long? etc. A pgpWuaIEAlyee.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Jude DaShiell wrote: What would the steps be to go from sarge stable to sarge unstable using apt-get? For now I'm restricted to console mode until or unless I figure out how to get debian's xwindows interface talking. you put two questions. the first is: how to get xwindows working; and 2. to upgrade your distro. am i right? steef -- you don't need the weathermen to know the way the wind blows BOB DYLAN -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday 14 March 2006 11:39, Magnus Therning wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 05:16:02AM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >For now I'm restricted to console mode until or unless I restricted ? I see no restrictions here. Just a little less eye candy *lol* > > First off, Sarge is the stable release, Sid is the (permanent) name of > unstable. :-) > > Step one is to think once again of why you are doing this! because SID breakes. period. you must know what yu are doing, how to fix problems and avoid doing unattended updates or something like that ;) > > Step two is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list. This is the relevant part of > mine: > > deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free > deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free > deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free > > Yes, you should include 'testing' as well as 'unstable'. rubbish. if not, why ? unstable includes everything. > > Step three is to run `apt-get update`, then `apt-get dist-upgrade`. If > you're religious this is a good time to pray... If not, this is a good time to make coffee unless your internet connection is based on *insert super fast technology that is used by no debian mirror here* Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 05:16:02AM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: >What would the steps be to go from sarge stable to sarge unstable using >apt-get? For now I'm restricted to console mode until or unless I >figure out how to get debian's xwindows interface talking. First off, Sarge is the stable release, Sid is the (permanent) name of unstable. :-) Step one is to think once again of why you are doing this! Step two is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list. This is the relevant part of mine: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free Yes, you should include 'testing' as well as 'unstable'. Step three is to run `apt-get update`, then `apt-get dist-upgrade`. If you're religious this is a good time to pray... /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://therning.org/magnus Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish. Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship by patent law on written works. "Sendmail" and "make" are two well known programs that are pretty widely regarded as being debugged into existence. That's why their command languages are so poorly thought out and difficult to learn. It's not just you -- everyone finds them troublesome. -- Peter van der Linden, Expert C Programming, p. 220 pgpzPQ8qTwPvY.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Re: Noninteractive "apt-get upgrade "question.
Sam Watkins([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 10:26:56AM -0500, Wayne Topa wrote: > > Sam Watkins([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > > > I just noticed there are some dpkg options that cause it not to ask > > > these questions. > > > > > > --force-confold and --force-confnew > > > > > > I wouldn't use --force-confnew, but --force-confold looks good. One > > > could then merge the config files as a separate task, like gentoo's > > > dispatch-conf, as the new config files would be available as > > > /etc/foo.dpkg-new or /etc/foo.dpkg-dist or something. > > > > > > You can apparently set this option permanently in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg > > > by adding a line: > > > > > > > Humm. I don't seem to have a /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg on my > > testing/unstable box. > > I do (using sid). If its not there you will have to create it. > Here's what's in mine: Interesting. I am runnind dpkg (1.10.25) which seems to be the latest version. I use dselect to update and do have a /etc/dpkg/dselect.cfg, which was install there by dselect. It has no options enabled at all. Its man page is a copy of the dpkg.cfg manpage with only the dpkg changed to dselect. Odd that dpkg doesn't install its .cfg file in that dir as well. > > # dpkg configuration file > # > # This file can contain default options for dpkg. All commandline > # options are allowed. Values can be specific by putting them after > # the option, seperated by whitespace and/or an `=' sign. > # > no-debsig Thanks, I'll try this out. > > I'd skip the "force-overwrite" option from the example! > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 10:26:56AM -0500, Wayne Topa wrote: > Sam Watkins([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > > I just noticed there are some dpkg options that cause it not to ask > > these questions. > > > > --force-confold and --force-confnew > > > > I wouldn't use --force-confnew, but --force-confold looks good. One > > could then merge the config files as a separate task, like gentoo's > > dispatch-conf, as the new config files would be available as > > /etc/foo.dpkg-new or /etc/foo.dpkg-dist or something. > > > > You can apparently set this option permanently in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg > > by adding a line: > > > > Humm. I don't seem to have a /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg on my > testing/unstable box. I do (using sid). If its not there you will have to create it. Here's what's in mine: # dpkg configuration file # # This file can contain default options for dpkg. All commandline # options are allowed. Values can be specific by putting them after # the option, seperated by whitespace and/or an `=' sign. # no-debsig I'd skip the "force-overwrite" option from the example! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sam Watkins([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 02:57:53AM +1100, Sam Watkins wrote: > > I just noticed there are some dpkg options that cause it not to ask > these questions. > > --force-confold and --force-confnew > > I wouldn't use --force-confnew, but --force-confold looks good. One > could then merge the config files as a separate task, like gentoo's > dispatch-conf, as the new config files would be available as > /etc/foo.dpkg-new or /etc/foo.dpkg-dist or something. > > You can apparently set this option permanently in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg > by adding a line: > Humm. I don't seem to have a /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg on my testing/unstable box. Is that a typo in the man page or a missing file? /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg.list shows a /usr/share/doc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg so I guess the man page assumes we have copied that dpkg.cfg into /etc/dpkg. :-) WT -- The Queue Principle: The longer you wait in line, the greater the likelihood that you are standing in the wrong line. ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Noninteractive "apt-get upgrade "question.
On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 02:57:53AM +1100, Sam Watkins wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 05:31:32PM +1100, Ivan Teliatnikov wrote: > > What is the best way to "apt-get update" a classroom full of debian > > sarge machines. > > > > I tired using > > > > apt-get update > > DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -uy dist-upgrade > > > > Nevertheless I was asked some questions as follows: > > > > Configuration file `/etc/profile' > > ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. > > ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. > >What would you like to do about it ? > > If you're sure these are the only sort of question you'll get, which > seems likely, then this should work: > > yes n | apt-get update DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -uy dist-upgrade I just noticed there are some dpkg options that cause it not to ask these questions. --force-confold and --force-confnew I wouldn't use --force-confnew, but --force-confold looks good. One could then merge the config files as a separate task, like gentoo's dispatch-conf, as the new config files would be available as /etc/foo.dpkg-new or /etc/foo.dpkg-dist or something. You can apparently set this option permanently in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg by adding a line: force-confold this is certainly an improvement on my last suggestion, if it works! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 05:31:32PM +1100, Ivan Teliatnikov wrote: > What is the best way to "apt-get update" a classroom full of debian > sarge machines. > > I tired using > > apt-get update > DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -uy dist-upgrade > > Nevertheless I was asked some questions as follows: > > Configuration file `/etc/profile' > ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. > ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. >What would you like to do about it ? If you're sure these are the only sort of question you'll get, which seems likely, then this should work: yes n | apt-get update DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -uy dist-upgrade This is really dodgy though. There should be an option to configure this. I might look at it a bit more and write a patch or something. The package maintainer's new config file will still be saved (as /etc/foo.dpkg-new or something like that), so you can look for such files after an upgrade (with a script) and update the config files if necessary. You can manage configuration files for a whole network centrally using cfengine2. (I haven't used this package yet, but it sounds good.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alexander Schmehl wrote: * Ivan Teliatnikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [041220 07:31]: What is the best way to "apt-get update" a classroom full of debian sarge machines. Assuming you test it on one machine first, ... DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -uy dist-upgrade Nevertheless I was asked some questions as follows: Configuration file `/etc/profile' ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: Y or I : install the package maintainer's version N or O : keep your currently-installed version D : show the differences between the versions Z : background this process to examine the situation The default action is to keep your current version. *** profile (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? You could run it with yes | DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -uy dist-upgrade What is the best way? I think this should work, allthough I don't think it is the most elegant solution ;) Which would be? H Yours sincerely, Alexander -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Noninteractive "apt-get upgrade "question.
On 2004-12-20, Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You could run it with=20 > yes | DEBIAN_FRONTEND=3Dnoninteractive apt-get -uy dist-upgrade Actually it depends on the answer you want to give to this question (you might want to use yes to flood the "no" string). Using yes is not an option at all, if there are many packages which will ask config file questions, in which case you may not want to answer them all similarly. -- Juha Siltala http://www.edu.helsinki.fi/activity/people/jsiltala/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Noninteractive "apt-get upgrade "question.
* Ivan Teliatnikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [041220 07:31]: > What is the best way to "apt-get update" a classroom full of debian > sarge machines. Assuming you test it on one machine first, ... > DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -uy dist-upgrade > > Nevertheless I was asked some questions as follows: > > Configuration file `/etc/profile' > ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. > ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. >What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: > Y or I : install the package maintainer's version > N or O : keep your currently-installed version > D : show the differences between the versions > Z : background this process to examine the situation > The default action is to keep your current version. > *** profile (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? You could run it with yes | DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -uy dist-upgrade > What is the best way? I think this should work, allthough I don't think it is the most elegant solution ;) Yours sincerely, Alexander signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Noninteractive "apt-get upgrade "question.
What is the best way to "apt-get update" a classroom full of debian sarge machines. I tired using apt-get update DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -uy dist-upgrade Nevertheless I was asked some questions as follows: Configuration file `/etc/profile' ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: Y or I : install the package maintainer's version N or O : keep your currently-installed version D : show the differences between the versions Z : background this process to examine the situation The default action is to keep your current version. *** profile (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? I have already tested the most recent updates and I want everything to happen non-interactively. What is the best way? Thank you in advance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>RE Re: Post "apt-get dist-upgrade" question:
--- Justin Guerin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If that's the case, then the new KDE / Gnome should > "just work". Yes...but that is the least of my problems now. I have another thread going about some other more serious issues after this "apt-get dist-upgrade". > What is > leading you to believe that KDE / Gnome are not the > current version? The "About" screen still shows kde 2.2.2 from my old Woody install. I'd post you more but I am now back on Windows cause the modem driver is broke. That's my fault but an effort to recompile it proved to be undoable cause I am stuck between these upgrades with an old gcc, a new libc6, and two kernels that dislike one or the other of them. ejd ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Post "apt-get dist-upgrade" question:
On Sunday 10 October 2004 10:11, Eric Dickner wrote: > --- Jule Slootbeek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > \* stupid question *\ > > i am safe to assume that you restarted gnome/kde > > after you ran a > > dist-upgrade correct? > > Yes, I restarted using the new "Sarge" kernel and > everything. > > > unless you download the source through apt-get or > > are running gnome/kde > > from a non-standard location everything should have > > been updated. > > I used "apt-get dist-upgrade" and I assumed that I > would be getting binary .deb's that would be > automatically installed. > > I am running kde/gnome from where ever the binary > Woody CD's I bought put it. > > >-JSS If that's the case, then the new KDE / Gnome should "just work". What is leading you to believe that KDE / Gnome are not the current version? Also, post the output of "apt-cache policy kde" and "apt-cache policy gnome". You might also want to check out the individual packages they depend on, and their dependencies, until you get to app packages like konqueror or nautilus, because the meta-package versions don't always match their dependencies' versions. Justin Guerin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "apt-get dist-upgrade" Question:
On Friday 08 October 2004 12:18 pm, Eric Dickner wrote: > For my modem-connected machine it is a ginormous > download, some 500 Meg... Painful, innit? I did that when I upgraded from Woody to Sarge. > Will I, or some kind of disconnnect at the ISP, ruin > the whole thing? Can I then issue the command again > and will it recognize the packcages it already got? I used to apt-get dist-upgrade --download Or something like that. Check the man page for the syntax. There's an option to just download packages. You can run it on successive nights until you get everything, and then you can sit down and handle answering all the inevitable installation questions at a time of your choosing afterwards by running a regular apt-get dist-upgrade. > Is this just a bad idea to try over a modem > connection? It sucks, but it works fine. I did it that way for around a year, and I did at least two gigantic 40-hour download marathons in that period. The only big problem is if you spread this out over too many days, sometimes the package you're trying to get no longer exists, so you have to update and then start over with potentially newer versions of all kinds of things. (If you do this a few times, and then get cable later, you will be absolutely disgusted at how fast it is. These 500 MB upgrades take about an hour, including answering all the questions and actually installing everything.) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "apt-get dist-upgrade" Question:
<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Dickner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Will I, or some kind of disconnnect at the ISP, ruin > the whole thing? Not really, no. > Can I then issue the command again and will it recognize the > packcages it already got? And even partial package downloads! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBZt27UzgNqloQMwcRAvTFAJ0e+WFfeFlW1HaYucz76K7DhnkiNgCeJK49 K9tCMCczVGGhvAv1ztA2kxg= =22e1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "jano kupec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Will I, or some kind of disconnnect at the ISP, ruin >> the whole thing? Can I then issue the command again >> and will it recognize the packcages it already got? > > apt keeps downloaded packages (usually) in /var/cache/apt/archives, > untill you decide to remove them with apt-get clean, so the are not > downloaded more than once. I strongly suggest autoclean instead of clean (as autoclean will keep packages you've already fetched that are still current on the servers). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBZt9PUzgNqloQMwcRAof3AJ0ZwU5jkqq4rMB1l4AahR1nG0lPpwCfW/Ox n6h2leLfz6mdgN9Dff8f+/s= =9qmF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "apt-get dist-upgrade" Question:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:18:17 -0700 (PDT), Eric Dickner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > For my modem-connected machine it is a ginormous > download, some 500 Meg... > > Will I, or some kind of disconnnect at the ISP, ruin > the whole thing? Usually not, eventually you'll find them in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial > Can I then issue the command again > and will it recognize the packcages it already got? Yes, you'll find them on /var/cache/apt/archives > > Will it check these downloads for errors with an md5 > or something? > > Is this just a bad idea to try over a modem > connection? > If you don't mind waiting, maybe launch it during night hours, there's no drawbacks. But if you know someone with a faster connection than your modem, like cable or xDSL, you can download only the packages list via apt and create, automatically, a script that will download via wget the needed packages. The other machine don't need to run Debian or Linux, it only needs wget. You'll find the details in a short HOWTO called, IIRC, apt-offline... Andrea -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: "apt-get dist-upgrade" Question:
> Will I, or some kind of disconnnect at the ISP, ruin > the whole thing? Can I then issue the command again > and will it recognize the packcages it already got? apt keeps downloaded packages (usually) in /var/cache/apt/archives, untill you decide to remove them with apt-get clean, so the are not downloaded more than once. > Will it check these downloads for errors with an md5 > or something? i don't know about this > Is this just a bad idea to try over a modem > connection? i've done this once through 56kb/s modem, and everything went OK. jano -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "apt-get dist-upgrade" Question:
--- Eric Dickner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will I, or some kind of disconnnect at the ISP, ruin > the whole thing? Can I then issue the command again > and will it recognize the packcages it already got? If apt-get is interrupted, it'll continue from where it left off. Note that you might find: "apt-get -d ", a more useful command if you're on dialup. > Will it check these downloads for errors with an md5 > or something? Not by default. > Is this just a bad idea to try over a modem > connection? Perfectly doable, if you're patient. I actually use the following to do it: http://edulinux.homeunix.org/~n6tadam/apt-fetch = "The Linux Weekend Mechanic" -- http://linuxgazette.net "TAG Editor" -- http://linuxgazette.net " We'll just save up your sins, Thomas, and punish you for all of them at once when you get better. The experience will probably kill you. :)" -- Benjamin A. Okopnik (Linux Gazette Technical Editor) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "apt-get dist-upgrade" Question:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Eric Dickner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > For my modem-connected machine it is a ginormous > download, some 500 Meg... > > Will I, or some kind of disconnnect at the ISP, ruin > the whole thing? Can I then issue the command again > and will it recognize the packcages it already got? > > Will it check these downloads for errors with an md5 > or something? > > Is this just a bad idea to try over a modem > connection? Slow, and painfully slow, yes. Problem, no. apt-get is smart enough that it will see what packages and even the parts of packages that have already been downloaded and will resume where it left off. (Though it will probably require you to run apt-get dist-upgrade to get it started again.) HTH & HAND, Jacob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"apt-get dist-upgrade" Question:
Hello, For my modem-connected machine it is a ginormous download, some 500 Meg... Will I, or some kind of disconnnect at the ISP, ruin the whole thing? Can I then issue the command again and will it recognize the packcages it already got? Will it check these downloads for errors with an md5 or something? Is this just a bad idea to try over a modem connection? ejd ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: testing dist-upgrade question
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:54:23 +0100 Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After a dist-upgrade some X packages didn't install properly and now > nedit doesn't work because it can't find libXp.so.6. > > If I ask aptitude to install the libXp package, it wants to remove 505 > packages, which doesn't sound optimal. This has been resolved by today's upgrade. - Richard -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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After a dist-upgrade some X packages didn't install properly and now nedit doesn't work because it can't find libXp.so.6. If I ask aptitude to install the libXp package, it wants to remove 505 packages, which doesn't sound optimal. Any suggestions? -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get upgrade question
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 10:51:43PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > Frédéric Dreier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I just ran the update and have seen that some openssl libs have been > > patched. My question is : should I restart ssh daemon and other > > dependant programs (apache-ssl, exim-tsl, ...) in order to make the > > update effective? > > Any well maintained package will handle starting and stopping daemons > on it's own without user intervention. If it's not, well, that's why > we have reportbug. Unfortunately we're currently rather short of mechanisms for a library package to discover what running daemons need to be restarted, not counting the dodgy hack used by glibc for NSS upgrades, which I really wouldn't want to perpetuate (it's just a hardcoded list of package names). So, while it's probably a bug, it's not a sign of poor maintenance since we just don't have the infrastructure to do it right yet. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frédéric Dreier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I just ran the update and have seen that some openssl libs have been > patched. My question is : should I restart ssh daemon and other > dependant programs (apache-ssl, exim-tsl, ...) in order to make the > update effective? Any well maintained package will handle starting and stopping daemons on it's own without user intervention. If it's not, well, that's why we have reportbug. (ObObscure-Reference: Don't you wish everybody used reportbug?) - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian. Because it *must* work. debian.org aboutdebian.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAW+n/UzgNqloQMwcRAu0HAJ9kKTVBLSxtKPeTBsoqR3TB/rR4aQCbBzki nQJ/bNBIBAQViW9t4AnQw5k= =0//S -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: apt-get upgrade question
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 02:15:49PM +0100, Asbjørn Sæbø wrote: > On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 01:54:18PM +0100, Frédéric Dreier wrote: > > I just ran the update and have seen that some openssl libs have been > > patched. My question is : should I restart ssh daemon and other > > dependant programs (apache-ssl, exim-tsl, ...) in order to make the > > update effective? > > Isn't sshd restarted by the upgrade process, if it is necessary to do > so? (Or is that only if sshd is upgraded?) Generally, the latter. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get upgrade question
On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 01:54:18PM +0100, Frédéric Dreier wrote: > I just ran the update and have seen that some openssl libs have been > patched. My question is : should I restart ssh daemon and other > dependant programs (apache-ssl, exim-tsl, ...) in order to make the > update effective? Isn't sshd restarted by the upgrade process, if it is necessary to do so? (Or is that only if sshd is upgraded?) Asbj.S. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get upgrade question
Hello Frédéric! On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 01:54:18PM +0100, Frédéric Dreier wrote: > I just ran the update and have seen that some openssl libs have been > patched. My question is : should I restart ssh daemon and other > dependant programs (apache-ssl, exim-tsl, ...) in order to make the > update effective? Please check http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-0403/msg00138.html for a detailed discussion regarding this topic. Cheers, Flo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
apt-get upgrade question
Hi, I just ran the update and have seen that some openssl libs have been patched. My question is : should I restart ssh daemon and other dependant programs (apache-ssl, exim-tsl, ...) in order to make the update effective? Thanks for your responses, Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie - upgrade question
on Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 10:36:57PM -0400, Zerkani_user_list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Need help! > > When I ran the security upgrade, I get the following error message. How do I > resolve this error?. > > localhost:/home/zerkani# apt-get upgrade > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > 21 packages not fully installed or removed. > Need to get 0B/3422kB of archives. After unpacking 4096B will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y > debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome > debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome-perl installed?) > debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog > (Reading database ... 27513 files and directories currently installed.) > Preparing to replace xlibmesa3 4.1.0-16 (using > .../xlibmesa3_4.1.0-16woody1_i386.deb) ... > Unpacking replacement xlibmesa3 ... > dpkg: error processing > /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa3_4.1.0-16woody1_i386.deb (--unpack): > trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1.3', which is also in package > xlibmesa3-glu You've found a bug. There is a conflict between the packages xlibmesa3 and xlibmesa3-glu. If both are Debian packages, and not from a third-party site: - Run 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade' and see if the problem is fixed. - Run 'apt-get install reportbug', then 'querybts xlibmesa3' and see if the bug has been reported. - If you've still got a problem, file a grave bug against one or the other indicating the conflicting file. Paste the section above starting from 'Unpacking replacement xlibmesa3'. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Backgrounder on the Caldera/SCO vs. IBM and Linux dispute. http://sco.iwethey.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Need help! When I ran the security upgrade, I get the following error message. How do I resolve this error?. localhost:/home/zerkani# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 21 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/3422kB of archives. After unpacking 4096B will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome-perl installed?) debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog (Reading database ... 27513 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace xlibmesa3 4.1.0-16 (using .../xlibmesa3_4.1.0-16woody1_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement xlibmesa3 ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa3_4.1.0-16woody1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1.3', which is also in package xlibmesa3-glu dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome-perl installed?) debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome-perl installed?) debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa3_4.1.0-16woody1_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) localhost:/home/zerkani# Thanks, Zerkani -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Debianistas, I have installed evolution 1.3 and some other packages that make dist-upgrade want to remove lots of stuff. How do I tell it to ignore a packages when I dist-upgrade. -K -- Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: dist-upgrade question (Thanks)
Thanks to all who responded. As usual, you can always learn something new. Thanks Again Don --- Seneca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 06:17:29AM -0800, D. wrote: > > I'm running Testing on a PII 350 and attempted > to do > > a dist-upgrade last night. Here is the results of > the > > apt-get -u dist-upgrade. > > My questions is why is it trying to remove the > > task-x-window-system-core? If I did this wouldn't > I > > have lost my "Desktop" and only had text only > mode? > > Tasks contain dependancies, not content. > > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > atlas2 libctl1 task-gnome-desktop > > task-x-window-system-core > > The following NEW packages will be installed: > > atlas2-base coreutils dash guile-common guile1.4 > > libctl2 libgnet1.1-glib1 libguile-dev libltdl3-dev > > > atlas2-base replaces atlas2 > libctl2 replaces libctl1 > The tasks are just packages containing dependancies. > If you had said > 'y' to the upgrade, the two task-* packages would be > removed, but not X. > > > The following packages have been kept back > > balsa debian-policy tetex-bin > > You might want to take a look at their new > dependancies to see why they > were kept back. > > > The following packages will be upgraded > > ash console-data debconf debconf-utils dh-make > > docbook-xml fileutils > > gnomeicu initrd-tools latex2html libctl-dev > lintian > > mpb sgml-data shellutils textutils xbase-clients > > xfree86-common xlibs xlibs-dev xserver-common > xutils > > 22 packages upgraded, 9 newly installed, 4 to > remove > > and 3 not upgraded. > > As you can see here, X would be upgraded, not > removed. > > > Need to get 17.1MB of archives. After unpacking > 1910kB > > will be used. > > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n > > 'y' > > -- > Seneca > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dist-upgrade question
On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 06:17:29AM -0800, D. wrote: > I'm running Testing on a PII 350 and attempted to do > a dist-upgrade last night. Here is the results of the > apt-get -u dist-upgrade. > My questions is why is it trying to remove the > task-x-window-system-core? If I did this wouldn't I > have lost my "Desktop" and only had text only mode? Tasks contain dependancies, not content. > The following packages will be REMOVED: > atlas2 libctl1 task-gnome-desktop > task-x-window-system-core > The following NEW packages will be installed: > atlas2-base coreutils dash guile-common guile1.4 > libctl2 libgnet1.1-glib1 libguile-dev libltdl3-dev atlas2-base replaces atlas2 libctl2 replaces libctl1 The tasks are just packages containing dependancies. If you had said 'y' to the upgrade, the two task-* packages would be removed, but not X. > The following packages have been kept back > balsa debian-policy tetex-bin You might want to take a look at their new dependancies to see why they were kept back. > The following packages will be upgraded > ash console-data debconf debconf-utils dh-make > docbook-xml fileutils > gnomeicu initrd-tools latex2html libctl-dev lintian > mpb sgml-data shellutils textutils xbase-clients > xfree86-common xlibs xlibs-dev xserver-common xutils > 22 packages upgraded, 9 newly installed, 4 to remove > and 3 not upgraded. As you can see here, X would be upgraded, not removed. > Need to get 17.1MB of archives. After unpacking 1910kB > will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n 'y' -- Seneca [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: dist-upgrade question
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Friday, January 24, 2003 9:31 AM > > I'm running Testing on a PII 350 and attempted to do > a dist-upgrade last night. Here is the results of the > apt-get -u dist-upgrade. > My questions is why is it trying to remove the > task-x-window-system-core? If I did this wouldn't I > have lost my "Desktop" and only had text only mode? > + > The following packages will be REMOVED: > atlas2 libctl1 task-gnome-desktop > task-x-window-system-core > The following NEW packages will be installed: > atlas2-base coreutils dash guile-common guile1.4 > libctl2 libgnet1.1-glib1 libguile-dev libltdl3-dev > The following packages have been kept back > balsa debian-policy tetex-bin > The following packages will be upgraded > ash console-data debconf debconf-utils dh-make > docbook-xml fileutils > gnomeicu initrd-tools latex2html libctl-dev lintian > mpb sgml-data shellutils textutils xbase-clients > xfree86-common xlibs xlibs-dev xserver-common xutils > 22 packages upgraded, 9 newly installed, 4 to remove > and 3 not upgraded. > Need to get 17.1MB of archives. After unpacking 1910kB > will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n > > Thanks > Don As far as I can tell, it's only trying to remove the "tasksel" task of task-x-window-system-core You will see that it is upgrading some of the actualy packages (I see xfree86-common and xserver-common) required by that "meta-package" or "task" -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dist-upgrade question
On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 06:17:29AM -0800, D. wrote: > My questions is why is it trying to remove the > task-x-window-system-core? If I did this wouldn't I > have lost my "Desktop" and only had text only mode? Task packages are (were) empty packages containing only dependencies. They do not provide any functionality themselves, so removing them isn't a cause for concern. Furthermore, task-x-window-system-core was removed from the archive over a year and a half ago, and has been replaced by x-window-system-core. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dist-upgrade question
Hi all, I'm running Testing on a PII 350 and attempted to do a dist-upgrade last night. Here is the results of the apt-get -u dist-upgrade. My questions is why is it trying to remove the task-x-window-system-core? If I did this wouldn't I have lost my "Desktop" and only had text only mode? + The following packages will be REMOVED: atlas2 libctl1 task-gnome-desktop task-x-window-system-core The following NEW packages will be installed: atlas2-base coreutils dash guile-common guile1.4 libctl2 libgnet1.1-glib1 libguile-dev libltdl3-dev The following packages have been kept back balsa debian-policy tetex-bin The following packages will be upgraded ash console-data debconf debconf-utils dh-make docbook-xml fileutils gnomeicu initrd-tools latex2html libctl-dev lintian mpb sgml-data shellutils textutils xbase-clients xfree86-common xlibs xlibs-dev xserver-common xutils 22 packages upgraded, 9 newly installed, 4 to remove and 3 not upgraded. Need to get 17.1MB of archives. After unpacking 1910kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Thanks Don __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get upgrade question
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 12:10:56PM +, Richard Kimber wrote: > In the course of a recent Debian testing apt-get upgrade, without using > the -u option, a number of packages were upgraded. I discovered that one > of these turned out to be kernel-source-2.4.19. Since I only have one > kernel-source-2.4.19 directory on my machine, I assume that it just > overwrote what was there previously. $ dpkg -c /debian/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.4.19/kernel-source-2.4.19_2.4.19-4_all.deb drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-10-16 13:53:58 ./ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-10-16 13:53:58 ./usr/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-10-16 13:57:23 ./usr/src/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 25645873 2002-10-16 13:57:20 ./usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.19.tar.bz2 drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-10-16 13:53:58 ./usr/share/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-10-16 13:53:58 ./usr/share/doc/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2002-10-16 13:54:30 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 1335 1999-07-14 17:06:07 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/copyright -rw-r--r-- root/root 6868 2002-10-16 13:42:06 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/changelog.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 804 2002-09-01 02:15:04 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/README.grub.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 14936 2002-09-01 02:15:03 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/debian.README.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 868 1999-01-08 05:34:38 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/README.tecra.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 8153 2002-05-03 22:17:06 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/README.headers.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 6120 2002-08-03 01:39:42 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/README.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 2771 2001-12-02 00:24:18 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/README.modules.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 4424 2002-01-07 15:46:52 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/Flavours.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 2284 2001-04-24 09:09:19 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/sample.module.rules.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 2191 2001-07-06 20:53:01 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/Rationale.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 433 2000-02-15 22:14:29 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/sample.module.control.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root51 2002-10-16 13:53:58 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/Buildinfo -rw-r--r-- root/root 1507 2002-10-16 13:42:06 ./usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.19/README.Debian.gz So no, it will only have overwritten the compressed tarball in /usr/src, not the unpacked directory. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-get upgrade question
In the course of a recent Debian testing apt-get upgrade, without using the -u option, a number of packages were upgraded. I discovered that one of these turned out to be kernel-source-2.4.19. Since I only have one kernel-source-2.4.19 directory on my machine, I assume that it just overwrote what was there previously. My questions are: was this an entirely safe procedure? And, if the files have been overwritten, how do I find out which release of 2.4.19 I had previously? Thanks, - Richard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody Upgrade Question
> "Patrick" == Patrick Dahiroc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Patrick> are the packages sysvinit and linux-util suppose to be Patrick> removed when upgrading from potato to woody? Patrick> apt-get gave me the warning: Patrick> WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed Patrick> This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you Patrick> are doing! sysvinit util-linux (due to sysvinit) Patrick> when i simulated the dist-upgrade. I believe the answer you are after is: NO! sysvinit especially, contains files (on my woody system) that look really important, eg /sbin/init, shutdown, etc. Your system will not boot without /sbin/init. Try and find out why apt-get wants to remove these packages. eg. What happens if you type in: apt-get install sysvinit linux-util does that work? -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Woody Upgrade Question
are the packages sysvinit and linux-util suppose to be removed when upgrading from potato to woody? apt-get gave me the warning: WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! sysvinit util-linux (due to sysvinit) when i simulated the dist-upgrade. thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1
