Re: why are libraries in jessi more up to date

2015-05-18 Thread Bob Proulx
Anil Duggirala wrote:
 Im a newbie and would like to know why libraries in Jessie are some much
 more up to date than in wheezy ? If the libraries have been tested and
 are stable then why arent they available in the wheezy repositories. I
 had a terrible time, trying to get a newer version of glibc to play some
 games in wheezy, and the version in jessie is much more up to date,
 thanks for the info,

If everything in Wheezy 7 were upgraded to the latest best known
versions then it would be called Jessie 8.  That is exactly how Jessie
8 was created.  Jessie 8 is Wheezy 7 with all of the libraries and
other packages updated.

Bob


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why are libraries in jessi more up to date

2015-05-16 Thread Anil Duggirala
Im a newbie and would like to know why libraries in Jessie are some much
more up to date than in wheezy ? If the libraries have been tested and
are stable then why arent they available in the wheezy repositories. I
had a terrible time, trying to get a newer version of glibc to play some
games in wheezy, and the version in jessie is much more up to date,
thanks for the info,


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Re: why are libraries in jessi more up to date

2015-05-16 Thread Gary Dale

On 16/05/15 08:18 PM, Liam O'Toole wrote:

On 2015-05-16, Anil Duggirala anilduggir...@fastmail.fm wrote:

Im a newbie and would like to know why libraries in Jessie are some much
more up to date than in wheezy ? If the libraries have been tested and
are stable then why arent they available in the wheezy repositories. I
had a terrible time, trying to get a newer version of glibc to play some
games in wheezy, and the version in jessie is much more up to date,
thanks for the info,

The vey meaning of stable in a Debian context is that software
versions don't (usually) change over the course of a release. Therefore
it's no surprise that libraries in jessie (released last month) are more
up-to-date than those in wheezy (released in 2013).



Just to put that in context. I had a server which originally ran Squeeze 
without problems. I upgraded to Wheezy some time later, again without 
problems. Somewhere over the course of Wheezy updates however, something 
broke.


The motherboard had USB3 ports and AMD graphics (although it was 
headless - just in case I needed to hook a monitor up) and the IOMMU 
started acting up (Strangely I have a workstation running Jessie with a 
similar problem). Even though the updates were mainly security fixes, I 
lost the ability to remotely (re)start the machine. My ssh connection 
couldn't establish because the IOMMU code for this particular board was 
broken. I had to be on site with monitor and keyboard to boot to repair 
mode then manually start the services I needed.


Last week I found myself having to upgrade to Jessie to fix the issue. 
Although Jessie code is what is currently causing the problem with my 
workstation, it fixed the problem on the server.


Stories like this abound, which is why people are leery about upgrading 
critical systems. Stable means that only serious bug fixes and security 
updates are issued, not feature enhancements. Limiting the numbers of 
updates means that larger installations get to test them before running 
them live, while smaller setups like small or home offices can usually 
feel safe performing updates.


Normally I wouldn't upgrade a server until the .1 release of the new 
Debian stable. In this case, I had a problem so I took a chance that 
upgrading on the .0 release would fix more than it broke. Thanks to the 
quality of the Debian development process, the upgrade went smoothly and 
the system is running properly again.


If you want to keep up with the latest libraries, etc., run 
Debian/Testing permanently. This is fairly stable but you will encounter 
problems from time to time, as you will with any rolling release distro.



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Re: why are libraries in jessi more up to date

2015-05-16 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-05-16, Anil Duggirala anilduggir...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 Im a newbie and would like to know why libraries in Jessie are some much
 more up to date than in wheezy ? If the libraries have been tested and
 are stable then why arent they available in the wheezy repositories. I
 had a terrible time, trying to get a newer version of glibc to play some
 games in wheezy, and the version in jessie is much more up to date,
 thanks for the info,

The vey meaning of stable in a Debian context is that software
versions don't (usually) change over the course of a release. Therefore
it's no surprise that libraries in jessie (released last month) are more
up-to-date than those in wheezy (released in 2013).

-- 

Liam



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