Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread deloptes
terryc wrote: > hint, if your answer is LibreOffice or similar read the question again. > I'm frustrated that the last few time I wanted to do a simple > spreadsheet layout, it was easier and faster to craft a LaTex document > then try and unfathom LibreOffice methods. Windows + MS Office :D

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Tuesday, 13 Mar 2018 at 14:13, terryc wrote: > What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under > Stretch. I need to do some work quickly sc works well and is indeed simple. not graphical. -- Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.6 on Debian buster/sid signature.asc Desc

Re: OT: dovecot with letsencrypt, K9 mail fails?

2018-03-13 Thread Dominik George
Hi, >Today, though - which may be unrelated - it prompted me to check the >certificate, which weirdly seemed to belong to my VPS provider; it >wasn't the one configured in dovecot. > >Has anyone else seen either of these issues? My VPS provider hasn't >come >up with any ideas yet. They have a ver

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Joe
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:13:33 +1100 terryc wrote: > What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under > Stretch. I need to do some work quickly > > hint, if your answer is LibreOffice or similar read the question > again. I'm frustrated that the last few time I wanted to do a simpl

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 13.03.18 08:59, Joe wrote: > I'm not aware of a 'simple' spreadsheet, as it is the kind of > application that begs for feature-creep. Synaptic turns up sc, which I > know nothing about, but the description doesn't look compatible with > 'simple', unless the user interface is similar to something

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Tomaž Šolc
Years ago I used to work with GNU Oleo in a text terminal. https://www.gnu.org/software/oleo/oleo.html I see it's been removed from Debian in 2009 though. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526212 Best regards Tomaž

Re: quick scripting 'is /P/Q mounted'

2018-03-13 Thread David
On 13 March 2018 at 14:40, Mike McClain wrote: > > If my other computer is South40 and I want to mount South40's /docs > on my /south40/docs/ directory I can do that. As one script calls > another I want to know if I need to mount South40 without > $( mount | grep 'south40/docs'). > > Suggestions?

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Joe
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:42:08 +1100 Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 13.03.18 08:59, Joe wrote: > > I'm not aware of a 'simple' spreadsheet, as it is the kind of > > application that begs for feature-creep. Synaptic turns up sc, > > which I know nothing about, but the description doesn't look > > com

Re: OT: dovecot with letsencrypt, K9 mail fails?

2018-03-13 Thread Richard Hector
On 13/03/18 21:12, Dominik George wrote: > Hi, > >> Today, though - which may be unrelated - it prompted me to check the >> certificate, which weirdly seemed to belong to my VPS provider; it >> wasn't the one configured in dovecot. >> >> Has anyone else seen either of these issues? My VPS provider

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 13.03.18 09:59, Joe wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:42:08 +1100 > Erik Christiansen wrote: > > An sc description: "Its keybindings are familiar to users of 'vi', and > > it has most features that a pure spreadsheet would, but lacks things > > like graphing and saving in foreign formats. It's ve

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Tuesday, 13 Mar 2018 at 14:13, terryc wrote: > What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under > Stretch. I need to do some work quickly I already mentioned sc. An alternative is org mode in Emacs if you have Emacs already installed. Simple spreadsheet capabilities in tables.

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread John Hasler
terryc wrote: > What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under > Stretch. I need to do some work quickly Package: sc Source: sc (7.16-4) Version: 7.16-4+b2 Installed-Size: 440 Maintainer: Adam Majer Architecture: amd64 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libncurses5 (>= 6), libtinfo5 (>=

Re: quick scripting 'is /P/Q mounted'

2018-03-13 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 08:49:58PM +1100, David wrote: > On 13 March 2018 at 14:40, Mike McClain wrote: > > > > If my other computer is South40 and I want to mount South40's /docs > > on my /south40/docs/ directory I can do that. As one script calls > > another I want to know if I need to mount So

Re: quick scripting 'is /P/Q mounted'

2018-03-13 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:33:43PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 08:49:58PM +1100, David wrote: > > On 13 March 2018 at 14:40, Mike McClain wrote: > > > > > > If my other computer is South40 and I want to mount South40's /docs

which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Albretch Mueller
I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to learn some actual programming My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns are coded in different languages, ...) Is there a blend with

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Gary Dale
On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote: I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to learn some actual programming My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns are coded

Re: PAE or not PAE?

2018-03-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I will agree that it increases the unpredictability of execution time, > and if I wanted to guarantee I could meet deadlines I'd turn it off. Turning it off may indeed improve predictability of execution time in some cases. Especially if the various active threads have different real-time prior

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
> An alternative is org mode in Emacs if you have Emacs already > installed. Simple spreadsheet capabilities in tables. There's also SES, also part of Emacs (i.e. C-x C-f .ses RET should get you started). And Emacs being what it is, there's also the Dismal package, which you can install from GNU

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread David Wright
On Tue 13 Mar 2018 at 08:59:00 (+), Joe wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:13:33 +1100 > terryc wrote: > > > What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under > > Stretch. I need to do some work quickly > > > > hint, if your answer is LibreOffice or similar read the question > >

password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread Adam Weremczuk
Hi all, I've just spotted that on one of my old wheezy servers root entry in /etc/shadow was updated just over 3 weeks ago. The root password is still the same and the lastchanged count is much higher than 3 weeks. The difference I've noticed is the hashed password string being much longer.

Re: quick scripting 'is /P/Q mounted'

2018-03-13 Thread Mike McClain
Thank you David. As it happens I have util-linux installed but as with most of Gnu/Linux there are hundreds of programs I've never used and don't know what do. Appreciate the heads-up. Mike On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 08:49:58PM +1100, David wrote: > On 13 March 2018 at 14:40, Mike McClain wrote: > >

Re: quick scripting 'is /P/Q mounted'

2018-03-13 Thread Mike McClain
Thank you Richard. I suspect $(grep /south40/docs/ /proc/mounts) would be faster than $( mount | grep 'south40/docs'). And I'm sure [ -f /south40/docs/.flag ] would be. Much obliged. Mike On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 05:37:07PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: > On 13/03/18 16:40, Mike McClain wrote: > > I

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Jude DaShiell
Oleo is now no longer supported and support for that spreadsheet ended in 2001. However there is good news. A program called neoleo can be found and built and neoleo is the successor to oleo and is under active support. The neoleo program can work in text or graphics now. I doubt debian has

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote: > > I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to > >learn some actual programming > > > > My approach is to introduce t

Re: quick scripting 'is /P/Q mounted'

2018-03-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:51:32AM -0700, Mike McClain wrote: > Thank you Richard. > I suspect $(grep /south40/docs/ /proc/mounts) would be faster than But that would be wrong, because it would incorrectly return "true" if you have something mounted at /south40/docs/subdir or /media/south40/docs/

Re: password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 03:18:35PM +, Adam Weremczuk wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just spotted that on one of my old wheezy servers root entry in > /etc/shadow was updated just over 3 weeks ago. > > The root password is still the same and the lastch

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread David Wright
On Tue 13 Mar 2018 at 21:31:00 (+1100), Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 13.03.18 09:59, Joe wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:42:08 +1100 > > Erik Christiansen wrote: > > > An sc description: "Its keybindings are familiar to users of 'vi', and > > > it has most features that a pure spreadsheet would

Re: password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread Adam Weremczuk
I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D) without making any changes. Would that be enough to update the shadow file? On 13/03/18 15:47, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: What I don't understand is how the system changed the hashing method without getting you involved. You don't

Re: password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 04:01:52PM +, Adam Weremczuk wrote: > I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D) > without making any changes. > Would that be enough to update the shadow file? Hm. That depends on which point you inv

Re: password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread Sven Hartge
Adam Weremczuk wrote: > I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D) > without making any changes. Would that be enough to update the shadow > file? No. You can't reverse a hash and to generate a new hash the code needs the password for the user in plain. Grüße, Sven. -

Re: password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread Adam Weremczuk
Quite possibly I changed it to the same password. Not sure now as it was almost a month ago but can't find any better explanation. Of course hashes are meant to be irreversible. I guess I'm trying to catch my own shadow ;) On 13/03/18 16:19, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Still strange. Are you sure

Re: password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 05:25:18PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > Adam Weremczuk wrote: > > > I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D) > > without making any changes. Would that be enough to update the shadow > > file? > > No.

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Gary Dale
On 2018-03-13 11:38 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote: I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to learn some actual progra

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:01:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: [...] > We're not talking about the pros and cons of specific languages but > rather about how to teach children to write programs. Focusing on > things like pointers is fundamentally wrong.

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:01:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > We're not talking about the pros and cons of specific languages but rather > about how to teach children to write programs. Focusing on things like > pointers is fundamentally wrong. You need to teach them things like breaking > down prob

Re: password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread David Wright
On Tue 13 Mar 2018 at 15:18:35 (+), Adam Weremczuk wrote: > Hi all, > > I've just spotted that on one of my old wheezy servers root entry in > /etc/shadow was updated just over 3 weeks ago. Take a look at the end of a file and see if a new user/system account has been added recently when you

Re: Completely disable Hibernation

2018-03-13 Thread coco...@t-online.de
Hi, I've been kicked off the debian-user list (again) because my mail provider keeps bouncing debian-user emails (and _only_ debian-user emails, for some reason). Please respond _to the list_ and I'll catch replies in the archives. Thanks. Felix Miata wrote: > Remove resume= and include > nores

Debian on flash a store.

2018-03-13 Thread peter
Hi, https://wiki.debian.org/RunningOnFlash has some discussion and tips about basing the system in a flash store. Also the introduction of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2 states "ext2 is still the filesystem of choice for flash-based storage media ... because its lack of a journal increase

Re: Completely disable Hibernation

2018-03-13 Thread Felix Miata
coco...@t-online.de composed on 2018-03-13 18:13 (UTC+0100): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Remove resume= and include >> noresume in all bootloader stanza(s) is how >> I do it. > I'm afraid I don't know what any of that means, I'm afraid. Could you > expand? After you turn on your PC, and the PC's

Re: password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread Sven Hartge
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 05:25:18PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Adam Weremczuk wrote: >>> I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D) >>> without making any changes. Would that be enough to update the >>> shadow file? >> No. >> >> You can't reve

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread deloptes
Albretch Mueller wrote: > I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to > learn some actual programming > > My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI > C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns > are coded in different lang

Re: Completely disable Hibernation

2018-03-13 Thread Abdullah Ramazanoglu
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:34:44 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: > An additional option to answer the original question would be to > reconfigure swap to be smaller than the amount of installed RAM. Swap space needed for hibernation is considerably less than available RAM. It is reported in "/sys/power/ima

Re: quick scripting 'is /P/Q mounted'

2018-03-13 Thread Joe
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:49:56 +0100 wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:33:43PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > > Unless I've misunderstood the question, you can tell if something > > is mounted at a mount point by checking if anything i

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Joe
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:18:37 -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:01:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > > We're not talking about the pros and cons of specific languages but > > rather about how to teach children to write programs. Focusing on > > things like pointers is funda

Re: quick scripting 'is /P/Q mounted'

2018-03-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 2018-03-13 at 15:39, Joe wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:49:56 +0100 wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:33:43PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: >>> Unless I've misunderstood the question, you can tell if >>> something is mounted at a mount point by checking if anything is >>> present under the

Re: password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:36:19PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > Well, to be fair, the change to SHA-1 is because you can "reverse" MD5 > > all too easily > > Yes, basically. > > > But I don't think your operating s

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 3/13/18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: >> On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote: >> > I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to >> >learn some actual pro

Re: quick scripting 'is /P/Q mounted'

2018-03-13 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 03:56:00PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2018-03-13 at 15:39, Joe wrote: [...] > > I prefer to test for the existence of a known lower directory in > > this case, which tests not only for mounting but for a successful > > re

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Joe
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:04:14 -0400 Albretch Mueller wrote: > I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to > learn some actual programming > > My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI > C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how

Re: PAE or not PAE?

2018-03-13 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 13/03/2018 à 04:57, Joe Pfeiffer a écrit : Gene Heskett writes: Both pae and hyperthreading take time, hyperthreading quite a bit more than pae. With hyperthreading, to switch to the 2nd task, takes a complete processor state stored on the stack, the stack pointer reloaded to point at the i

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Joe
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:22:23 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Tue 13 Mar 2018 at 08:59:00 (+), Joe wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:13:33 +1100 > > terryc wrote: > > > > > What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under > > > Stretch. I need to do some work quickly > > >

Re: quick scripting 'is /P/Q mounted'

2018-03-13 Thread Joe
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 15:56:00 -0400 The Wanderer wrote: > On 2018-03-13 at 15:39, Joe wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:49:56 +0100 wrote: > > >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:33:43PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > >>> Unless I've misunderstood the question, you can tell if > >>> something

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Joe
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:22:43 -0400 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > Original thought process: So where does Ada fall into all of this? As > an upfront disclaimer, I found this detail at the very last before > posting: > > License for the run-time library > Proprietary, royalty free. > > I personally

Re: Debian on flash a store.

2018-03-13 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 13/03/2018 à 18:26, pe...@easthope.ca a écrit : https://wiki.debian.org/RunningOnFlash has some discussion and tips about basing the system in a flash store. USB drives and SD cards are very different from SSDs. You cannot use them in the same way. AFAIK, USB drives and SD cards do not sup

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Curt
On 2018-03-13, Joe wrote: >> >> Yes, on a new stretch (print/SSH/standard utilities) with the >> following installed already: >> >> etckeeper cryptsetup dosfstools keyutils gdisk zip apt-show-versions >> aptitude boot-info-script bootlogd dkms exim4 firmware-linux flac >> fluid-soundfont-gm flui

Debian v.9.2.1 DVDs - how long are they good for?

2018-03-13 Thread Nomen Nescio
I downloaded some Debian v.9.2.1 DVDs and I would like to know how long they are useful. In other words, how long may I retain them as install DVDs and upgrade once it has been installed and put on-line? Also, how often would I need to replace/download new versions of the .ISOs (to ensure I could

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 13/03/18 16:13, terryc wrote: What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under Stretch. I need to do some work quickly hint, if your answer is LibreOffice or similar read the question again. I'm frustrated that the last few time I wanted to do a simple spreadsheet layout, it wa

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 04:22:43PM -0400, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: So where does Ada fall into all of this? I used to really like Ada. I haven't really thought about it in more than 15 years. At this point I'd wonder why pick it instead of something either optimized for teaching or remotely li

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 14/03/18 06:12, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Perhaps Python +1 for Python as a first language. What ages and areas of interest? Debian Live will have some Python and text editors. I also recommend that you check out PyGame, SciPy, and Jupyter. Kind regards, -- Ben Caradoc-Davies Director Tr

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, now that Python on vanilla Debian Live is found as answer to the actual question, let me show my favorite among those languages which i never tried: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread deloptes
Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > I also long avoided the complexity of LibreOffice Calc, but a modest > investment of time has left me satisfied with the results. +1 I use Apache OO, and there is very good documentation such that in 1-2 minutes I could find answer to any of my question and complete t

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2018-03-13, wrote: [...] > 1) All generalizations suck. > 2) Language wars are generally a loss of time. That makes two generalisations which, presumably, suck.

Re: Debian v.9.2.1 DVDs - how long are they good for?

2018-03-13 Thread Brian
On Tue 13 Mar 2018 at 22:11:58 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: > I downloaded some Debian v.9.2.1 DVDs and I would like Not today you didn't. It's 9.4.0 now. > to know how long they are useful. In other words, how long > may I retain them as install DVDs and upgrade once it has > been installed and p

Re: Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread dekks herton
On 03/13, Gary Dale wrote: On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote: I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to learn some actual programming My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are abou

Re: Debian on flash a store.

2018-03-13 Thread Richard Hector
On 14/03/18 09:58, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > USB drives and SD cards are very different from SSDs. You cannot use > them in the same way. AFAIK, USB drives and SD cards do not support > TRIM/discard. Apologies for the diversion - does anyone know if there are USB flash drives that _are_ built for f

Re: password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread Richard Hector
On 14/03/18 09:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:36:19PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > >> But on that note: I wonder of one could create a PAM module which will >> do just that on successful login. Once you *know* you have the right >> password (and the PAM system has that kno

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Albretch Mueller writes: > I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to > learn some actual programming > > My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI > C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns > are coded in different l

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread James H. H. Lampert
Exposing children to C and/or C++ should be considered abuse. :) No need for an emoticon there! C in the hands of an inexperienced programmer is a recipe for disaster! Lego or smalltalk, pharo smalltalk has its own IDE so everything is in 1 place Unless there's now a "Lego" programming la

Cores, Hyperthreads, and KVM

2018-03-13 Thread Richard Hector
Hi all, When I configure a KVM guest to have 2 vcpus, will that be 2 full cores? Or will it give the guest both threads on the same real core? Or might it use half of each of 2 different cores? I guess the same applies to physical CPUs, too - there's presumably an advantage in giving a VM a set o

Re: Cores, Hyperthreads, and KVM

2018-03-13 Thread Daniel Bareiro
On 13/03/18 21:13, Richard Hector wrote: > Hi all, Hi, Richard. > When I configure a KVM guest to have 2 vcpus, will that be 2 full cores? > Or will it give the guest both threads on the same real core? Or might > it use half of each of 2 different cores? > > I guess the same applies to physi

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Albretch Mueller
> Exposing children to C and/or C++ should be considered abuse. :) > Similarly exposing pointers is just a method of introducing bugs and security > holes into programs. I see your point including the joke, but I don't quite agree with you. I will, of course, explain to them the dangers of usin

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 07:48:29 PM Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > Another option if you have the budget would be Mathematica -- that would > go from math concepts straight to programming. Ahh, that was what I was trying to remember, and Stephen Wolfram was (is?) the author. It is rather expensive,

Re: Debian on flash a store.

2018-03-13 Thread David Christensen
On 03/13/18 17:00, Richard Hector wrote: Apologies for the diversion - does anyone know if there are USB flash drives that _are_ built for full-time use, as a system disk? I've got some old thin clients that could do with storage upgrades that are a bit easier to come by than the weird (PATA?) f

GPG key expiry questions?

2018-03-13 Thread Richard Hector
Hi all, Daniel Bareiro recently pointed out that he sees my GPG key as being expired: On 14/03/18 15:14, Daniel Bareiro wrote: > This is the information I see in Thunderbird with Enigmail: > > Fingerprint: 9E11 77C0 8F96 98B8 82EF 70E4 B4A2 F08F EC70 168D > Created: 05/09/2010 > Expiration: 10/05

Re: GPG key expiry questions?

2018-03-13 Thread likcoras
On 03/14/2018 11:39 AM, Richard Hector wrote: > And if I search for my key here: > > https://pgp.surfnet.nl/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xb4a2f08fec70168d > > ... I can see that there is a self-sig with the expiry date Daniel > mentioned, but also one for the one I'm seeing. You c

Spacefm file manager is making a little noise..

2018-03-13 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
Hi.. For no reason whatsoever, I decided to check out the package referenced in Bug #892725 that hit my inbox this evening. Spacefm: Bug#892725: RFS: spacefm/1.0.6-1 https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1590920.html Am putting it out here since spacefm only had 3 tot

Re: GPG key expiry questions?

2018-03-13 Thread Richard Hector
On 14/03/18 15:50, likcoras wrote: > On 03/14/2018 11:39 AM, Richard Hector wrote: >> And if I search for my key here: >> >> https://pgp.surfnet.nl/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xb4a2f08fec70168d >> >> ... I can see that there is a self-sig with the expiry date Daniel >> mentioned, bu

Re: password hash in shadow file

2018-03-13 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On 13/03/18 09:47 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 05:25:18PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: Adam Weremczuk wrote: I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D) without making any changes. Would that be enough

Re: which blend caters to TaL computer programming? . . .

2018-03-13 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On 13/03/18 01:29 PM, Joe wrote: I might suggest other lines of approach, such as Lazarus (I learned the outlines of OO on Borland Delphi) which mixes coding with visual application building, or the use of Arduino hardware which is cheap and very much real-world, and is supported well on Debian.

Re: Simple spreadsheet program.

2018-03-13 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On 13/03/18 02:49 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: I also long avoided the complexity of LibreOffice Calc, but a modest investment of time has left me satisfied with the results. Things I like: - Flexible CSV import/export. I like to manipulate CSV files with grep, perl, and geany, and then import

Re: GPG key expiry questions?

2018-03-13 Thread john doe
On 3/14/2018 4:20 AM, Richard Hector wrote: On 14/03/18 15:50, likcoras wrote: On 03/14/2018 11:39 AM, Richard Hector wrote: And if I search for my key here: https://pgp.surfnet.nl/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xb4a2f08fec70168d ... I can see that there is a self-sig with the ex

Re: GPG key expiry questions?

2018-03-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Richard Hector writes: > On 14/03/18 15:50, likcoras wrote: >> You can change the expiry date of your own key, but for other people to >> be able to see it and avoid having your key show up as expired, you must >> publish the new (key? signature? not sure...) and others must fetch it >> before the