terryc wrote:
> hint, if your answer is LibreOffice or similar read the question again.
> I'm frustrated that the last few time I wanted to do a simple
> spreadsheet layout, it was easier and faster to craft a LaTex document
> then try and unfathom LibreOffice methods.
Windows + MS Office :D
On Tuesday, 13 Mar 2018 at 14:13, terryc wrote:
> What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under
> Stretch. I need to do some work quickly
sc works well and is indeed simple. not graphical.
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Hi,
>Today, though - which may be unrelated - it prompted me to check the
>certificate, which weirdly seemed to belong to my VPS provider; it
>wasn't the one configured in dovecot.
>
>Has anyone else seen either of these issues? My VPS provider hasn't
>come
>up with any ideas yet.
They have a ver
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:13:33 +1100
terryc wrote:
> What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under
> Stretch. I need to do some work quickly
>
> hint, if your answer is LibreOffice or similar read the question
> again. I'm frustrated that the last few time I wanted to do a simpl
On 13.03.18 08:59, Joe wrote:
> I'm not aware of a 'simple' spreadsheet, as it is the kind of
> application that begs for feature-creep. Synaptic turns up sc, which I
> know nothing about, but the description doesn't look compatible with
> 'simple', unless the user interface is similar to something
Years ago I used to work with GNU Oleo in a text terminal.
https://www.gnu.org/software/oleo/oleo.html
I see it's been removed from Debian in 2009 though.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526212
Best regards
Tomaž
On 13 March 2018 at 14:40, Mike McClain wrote:
>
> If my other computer is South40 and I want to mount South40's /docs
> on my /south40/docs/ directory I can do that. As one script calls
> another I want to know if I need to mount South40 without
> $( mount | grep 'south40/docs').
>
> Suggestions?
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:42:08 +1100
Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 13.03.18 08:59, Joe wrote:
> > I'm not aware of a 'simple' spreadsheet, as it is the kind of
> > application that begs for feature-creep. Synaptic turns up sc,
> > which I know nothing about, but the description doesn't look
> > com
On 13/03/18 21:12, Dominik George wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Today, though - which may be unrelated - it prompted me to check the
>> certificate, which weirdly seemed to belong to my VPS provider; it
>> wasn't the one configured in dovecot.
>>
>> Has anyone else seen either of these issues? My VPS provider
On 13.03.18 09:59, Joe wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:42:08 +1100
> Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > An sc description: "Its keybindings are familiar to users of 'vi', and
> > it has most features that a pure spreadsheet would, but lacks things
> > like graphing and saving in foreign formats. It's ve
On Tuesday, 13 Mar 2018 at 14:13, terryc wrote:
> What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under
> Stretch. I need to do some work quickly
I already mentioned sc.
An alternative is org mode in Emacs if you have Emacs already
installed. Simple spreadsheet capabilities in tables.
terryc wrote:
> What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under
> Stretch. I need to do some work quickly
Package: sc
Source: sc (7.16-4)
Version: 7.16-4+b2
Installed-Size: 440
Maintainer: Adam Majer
Architecture: amd64
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libncurses5 (>= 6), libtinfo5 (>=
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 08:49:58PM +1100, David wrote:
> On 13 March 2018 at 14:40, Mike McClain wrote:
> >
> > If my other computer is South40 and I want to mount South40's /docs
> > on my /south40/docs/ directory I can do that. As one script calls
> > another I want to know if I need to mount So
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:33:43PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 08:49:58PM +1100, David wrote:
> > On 13 March 2018 at 14:40, Mike McClain wrote:
> > >
> > > If my other computer is South40 and I want to mount South40's /docs
I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
learn some actual programming
My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns
are coded in different languages, ...)
Is there a blend with
On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
learn some actual programming
My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns
are coded
> I will agree that it increases the unpredictability of execution time,
> and if I wanted to guarantee I could meet deadlines I'd turn it off.
Turning it off may indeed improve predictability of execution time in
some cases. Especially if the various active threads have different
real-time prior
> An alternative is org mode in Emacs if you have Emacs already
> installed. Simple spreadsheet capabilities in tables.
There's also SES, also part of Emacs (i.e. C-x C-f .ses RET should
get you started). And Emacs being what it is, there's also the Dismal
package, which you can install from GNU
On Tue 13 Mar 2018 at 08:59:00 (+), Joe wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:13:33 +1100
> terryc wrote:
>
> > What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under
> > Stretch. I need to do some work quickly
> >
> > hint, if your answer is LibreOffice or similar read the question
> >
Hi all,
I've just spotted that on one of my old wheezy servers root entry in
/etc/shadow was updated just over 3 weeks ago.
The root password is still the same and the lastchanged count is much
higher than 3 weeks.
The difference I've noticed is the hashed password string being much longer.
Thank you David.
As it happens I have util-linux installed but as with most of Gnu/Linux
there are hundreds of programs I've never used and don't know what do.
Appreciate the heads-up.
Mike
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 08:49:58PM +1100, David wrote:
> On 13 March 2018 at 14:40, Mike McClain wrote:
> >
Thank you Richard.
I suspect $(grep /south40/docs/ /proc/mounts) would be faster than
$( mount | grep 'south40/docs').
And I'm sure [ -f /south40/docs/.flag ] would be.
Much obliged.
Mike
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 05:37:07PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote:
> On 13/03/18 16:40, Mike McClain wrote:
> > I
Oleo is now no longer supported and support for that spreadsheet ended
in 2001. However there is good news. A program called neoleo can be
found and built and neoleo is the successor to oleo and is under active
support. The neoleo program can work in text or graphics now. I doubt
debian has
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> > I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> >learn some actual programming
> >
> > My approach is to introduce t
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:51:32AM -0700, Mike McClain wrote:
> Thank you Richard.
> I suspect $(grep /south40/docs/ /proc/mounts) would be faster than
But that would be wrong, because it would incorrectly return "true"
if you have something mounted at /south40/docs/subdir or /media/south40/docs/
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 03:18:35PM +, Adam Weremczuk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've just spotted that on one of my old wheezy servers root entry in
> /etc/shadow was updated just over 3 weeks ago.
>
> The root password is still the same and the lastch
On Tue 13 Mar 2018 at 21:31:00 (+1100), Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 13.03.18 09:59, Joe wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:42:08 +1100
> > Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > > An sc description: "Its keybindings are familiar to users of 'vi', and
> > > it has most features that a pure spreadsheet would
I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D)
without making any changes.
Would that be enough to update the shadow file?
On 13/03/18 15:47, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
What I don't understand is how the system changed the hashing
method without getting you involved. You don't
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 04:01:52PM +, Adam Weremczuk wrote:
> I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D)
> without making any changes.
> Would that be enough to update the shadow file?
Hm. That depends on which point you inv
Adam Weremczuk wrote:
> I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D)
> without making any changes. Would that be enough to update the shadow
> file?
No.
You can't reverse a hash and to generate a new hash the code needs the
password for the user in plain.
Grüße,
Sven.
-
Quite possibly I changed it to the same password.
Not sure now as it was almost a month ago but can't find any better
explanation.
Of course hashes are meant to be irreversible.
I guess I'm trying to catch my own shadow ;)
On 13/03/18 16:19, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
Still strange. Are you sure
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 05:25:18PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote:
> Adam Weremczuk wrote:
>
> > I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D)
> > without making any changes. Would that be enough to update the shadow
> > file?
>
> No.
On 2018-03-13 11:38 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
learn some actual progra
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:01:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
[...]
> We're not talking about the pros and cons of specific languages but
> rather about how to teach children to write programs. Focusing on
> things like pointers is fundamentally wrong.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:01:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> We're not talking about the pros and cons of specific languages but rather
> about how to teach children to write programs. Focusing on things like
> pointers is fundamentally wrong. You need to teach them things like breaking
> down prob
On Tue 13 Mar 2018 at 15:18:35 (+), Adam Weremczuk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've just spotted that on one of my old wheezy servers root entry in
> /etc/shadow was updated just over 3 weeks ago.
Take a look at the end of a file and see if a new user/system account
has been added recently when you
Hi,
I've been kicked off the debian-user list (again) because my mail
provider keeps bouncing debian-user emails (and _only_ debian-user
emails, for some reason). Please respond _to the list_ and I'll catch
replies in the archives. Thanks.
Felix Miata wrote:
> Remove resume= and include
> nores
Hi,
https://wiki.debian.org/RunningOnFlash has some discussion and tips
about basing the system in a flash store. Also the introduction of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2 states "ext2 is still the
filesystem of choice for flash-based storage media ... because its
lack of a journal increase
coco...@t-online.de composed on 2018-03-13 18:13 (UTC+0100):
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> Remove resume= and include
>> noresume in all bootloader stanza(s) is how
>> I do it.
> I'm afraid I don't know what any of that means, I'm afraid. Could you
> expand?
After you turn on your PC, and the PC's
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 05:25:18PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote:
>> Adam Weremczuk wrote:
>>> I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D)
>>> without making any changes. Would that be enough to update the
>>> shadow file?
>> No.
>>
>> You can't reve
Albretch Mueller wrote:
> I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> learn some actual programming
>
> My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
> C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns
> are coded in different lang
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:34:44 -0400
Felix Miata wrote:
> An additional option to answer the original question would be to
> reconfigure swap to be smaller than the amount of installed RAM.
Swap space needed for hibernation is considerably less than available
RAM. It is reported in "/sys/power/ima
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:49:56 +0100
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> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:33:43PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> > >
> > Unless I've misunderstood the question, you can tell if something
> > is mounted at a mount point by checking if anything i
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:18:37 -0400
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:01:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> > We're not talking about the pros and cons of specific languages but
> > rather about how to teach children to write programs. Focusing on
> > things like pointers is funda
On 2018-03-13 at 15:39, Joe wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:49:56 +0100 wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:33:43PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
>>> Unless I've misunderstood the question, you can tell if
>>> something is mounted at a mount point by checking if anything is
>>> present under the
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:36:19PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[...]
> > Well, to be fair, the change to SHA-1 is because you can "reverse" MD5
> > all too easily
>
> Yes, basically.
>
> > But I don't think your operating s
On 3/13/18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
>> On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
>> > I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
>> >learn some actual pro
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 03:56:00PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2018-03-13 at 15:39, Joe wrote:
[...]
> > I prefer to test for the existence of a known lower directory in
> > this case, which tests not only for mounting but for a successful
> > re
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:04:14 -0400
Albretch Mueller wrote:
> I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> learn some actual programming
>
> My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
> C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how
Le 13/03/2018 à 04:57, Joe Pfeiffer a écrit :
Gene Heskett writes:
Both pae and hyperthreading take time, hyperthreading quite a bit more
than pae. With hyperthreading, to switch to the 2nd task, takes a
complete processor state stored on the stack, the stack pointer reloaded
to point at the i
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:22:23 -0500
David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 13 Mar 2018 at 08:59:00 (+), Joe wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:13:33 +1100
> > terryc wrote:
> >
> > > What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under
> > > Stretch. I need to do some work quickly
> > >
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 15:56:00 -0400
The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2018-03-13 at 15:39, Joe wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:49:56 +0100 wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:33:43PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
>
> >>> Unless I've misunderstood the question, you can tell if
> >>> something
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:22:43 -0400
Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> Original thought process: So where does Ada fall into all of this? As
> an upfront disclaimer, I found this detail at the very last before
> posting:
>
> License for the run-time library > Proprietary, royalty free.
>
> I personally
Le 13/03/2018 à 18:26, pe...@easthope.ca a écrit :
https://wiki.debian.org/RunningOnFlash has some discussion and tips
about basing the system in a flash store.
USB drives and SD cards are very different from SSDs. You cannot use
them in the same way. AFAIK, USB drives and SD cards do not sup
On 2018-03-13, Joe wrote:
>>
>> Yes, on a new stretch (print/SSH/standard utilities) with the
>> following installed already:
>>
>> etckeeper cryptsetup dosfstools keyutils gdisk zip apt-show-versions
>> aptitude boot-info-script bootlogd dkms exim4 firmware-linux flac
>> fluid-soundfont-gm flui
I downloaded some Debian v.9.2.1 DVDs and I would like
to know how long they are useful. In other words, how long
may I retain them as install DVDs and upgrade once it has
been installed and put on-line?
Also, how often would I need to replace/download new versions
of the .ISOs (to ensure I could
On 13/03/18 16:13, terryc wrote:
What is a simple spreadsheet program that can be installed under
Stretch. I need to do some work quickly
hint, if your answer is LibreOffice or similar read the question again.
I'm frustrated that the last few time I wanted to do a simple
spreadsheet layout, it wa
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 04:22:43PM -0400, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
So where does Ada fall into all of this?
I used to really like Ada. I haven't really thought about it in more
than 15 years. At this point I'd wonder why pick it instead of something
either optimized for teaching or remotely li
On 14/03/18 06:12, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
Perhaps Python
+1 for Python as a first language. What ages and areas of interest?
Debian Live will have some Python and text editors. I also recommend
that you check out PyGame, SciPy, and Jupyter.
Kind regards,
--
Ben Caradoc-Davies
Director
Tr
Hi,
now that Python on vanilla Debian Live is found as answer to the actual
question, let me show my favorite among those languages which i never
tried:
http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> I also long avoided the complexity of LibreOffice Calc, but a modest
> investment of time has left me satisfied with the results.
+1
I use Apache OO, and there is very good documentation such that in 1-2
minutes I could find answer to any of my question and complete t
On 2018-03-13, wrote:
[...]
> 1) All generalizations suck.
> 2) Language wars are generally a loss of time.
That makes two generalisations which, presumably, suck.
On Tue 13 Mar 2018 at 22:11:58 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> I downloaded some Debian v.9.2.1 DVDs and I would like
Not today you didn't. It's 9.4.0 now.
> to know how long they are useful. In other words, how long
> may I retain them as install DVDs and upgrade once it has
> been installed and p
On 03/13, Gary Dale wrote:
On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
learn some actual programming
My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are abou
On 14/03/18 09:58, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> USB drives and SD cards are very different from SSDs. You cannot use
> them in the same way. AFAIK, USB drives and SD cards do not support
> TRIM/discard.
Apologies for the diversion - does anyone know if there are USB flash
drives that _are_ built for f
On 14/03/18 09:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:36:19PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote:
>
>> But on that note: I wonder of one could create a PAM module which will
>> do just that on successful login. Once you *know* you have the right
>> password (and the PAM system has that kno
Albretch Mueller writes:
> I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> learn some actual programming
>
> My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
> C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns
> are coded in different l
Exposing children to C and/or C++ should be considered abuse. :)
No need for an emoticon there! C in the hands of an inexperienced
programmer is a recipe for disaster!
Lego or smalltalk, pharo smalltalk has its own IDE so everything is in 1
place
Unless there's now a "Lego" programming la
Hi all,
When I configure a KVM guest to have 2 vcpus, will that be 2 full cores?
Or will it give the guest both threads on the same real core? Or might
it use half of each of 2 different cores?
I guess the same applies to physical CPUs, too - there's presumably an
advantage in giving a VM a set o
On 13/03/18 21:13, Richard Hector wrote:
> Hi all,
Hi, Richard.
> When I configure a KVM guest to have 2 vcpus, will that be 2 full cores?
> Or will it give the guest both threads on the same real core? Or might
> it use half of each of 2 different cores?
>
> I guess the same applies to physi
> Exposing children to C and/or C++ should be considered abuse. :)
> Similarly exposing pointers is just a method of introducing bugs and security
> holes into programs.
I see your point including the joke, but I don't quite agree with
you. I will, of course, explain to them the dangers of usin
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 07:48:29 PM Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Another option if you have the budget would be Mathematica -- that would
> go from math concepts straight to programming.
Ahh, that was what I was trying to remember, and Stephen Wolfram was (is?)
the author. It is rather expensive,
On 03/13/18 17:00, Richard Hector wrote:
Apologies for the diversion - does anyone know if there are USB flash
drives that _are_ built for full-time use, as a system disk?
I've got some old thin clients that could do with storage upgrades that
are a bit easier to come by than the weird (PATA?) f
Hi all,
Daniel Bareiro recently pointed out that he sees my GPG key as being
expired:
On 14/03/18 15:14, Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> This is the information I see in Thunderbird with Enigmail:
>
> Fingerprint: 9E11 77C0 8F96 98B8 82EF 70E4 B4A2 F08F EC70 168D
> Created: 05/09/2010
> Expiration: 10/05
On 03/14/2018 11:39 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
> And if I search for my key here:
>
> https://pgp.surfnet.nl/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xb4a2f08fec70168d
>
> ... I can see that there is a self-sig with the expiry date Daniel
> mentioned, but also one for the one I'm seeing.
You c
Hi..
For no reason whatsoever, I decided to check out the package
referenced in Bug #892725 that hit my inbox this evening. Spacefm:
Bug#892725: RFS: spacefm/1.0.6-1
https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1590920.html
Am putting it out here since spacefm only had 3 tot
On 14/03/18 15:50, likcoras wrote:
> On 03/14/2018 11:39 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
>> And if I search for my key here:
>>
>> https://pgp.surfnet.nl/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xb4a2f08fec70168d
>>
>> ... I can see that there is a self-sig with the expiry date Daniel
>> mentioned, bu
On 13/03/18 09:47 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 05:25:18PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote:
Adam Weremczuk wrote:
I think it was me invoking "passwd" as root and aborting (ctrl+D)
without making any changes. Would that be enough
On 13/03/18 01:29 PM, Joe wrote:
I might suggest other lines of approach, such as Lazarus (I learned the
outlines of OO on Borland Delphi) which mixes coding with visual
application building, or the use of Arduino hardware which is cheap and
very much real-world, and is supported well on Debian.
On 13/03/18 02:49 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
I also long avoided the complexity of LibreOffice Calc, but a modest
investment of time has left me satisfied with the results. Things I like:
- Flexible CSV import/export. I like to manipulate CSV files with grep,
perl, and geany, and then import
On 3/14/2018 4:20 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
On 14/03/18 15:50, likcoras wrote:
On 03/14/2018 11:39 AM, Richard Hector wrote:
And if I search for my key here:
https://pgp.surfnet.nl/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xb4a2f08fec70168d
... I can see that there is a self-sig with the ex
Richard Hector writes:
> On 14/03/18 15:50, likcoras wrote:
>> You can change the expiry date of your own key, but for other people to
>> be able to see it and avoid having your key show up as expired, you must
>> publish the new (key? signature? not sure...) and others must fetch it
>> before the
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