Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-30 Thread mick crane
On 2018-10-30 20:54, Curt wrote: On 2018-10-30, mick crane wrote: I'm using getmail with dovecot deliver since fetchmail stopped working with gmail changing the ssl certificate ( server ) all the bloody time. getmail doesn't have this problem for me although there is still a problem with

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-30 Thread Curt
On 2018-10-30, mick crane wrote: > > I'm using getmail with dovecot deliver since fetchmail stopped working > with gmail changing the ssl certificate ( server ) all the bloody time. > getmail doesn't have this problem for me although there is still a > problem with gmail insisting on keeping

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-30 Thread mick crane
On 2018-10-30 19:23, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 03:03:05PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: As a long term, 20 years or so, use of an isp who used qmail, by djb, I was rather put off by its instant acceptance of what was patently spam, and finally switching because the place was

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-30 Thread mick crane
On 2018-10-30 19:03, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 30 October 2018 13:31:05 Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 01:27:19PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > Probably better: > > http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/ > https://packages.debian.org/sid/getmail >

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-30 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 03:03:05PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > As a long term, 20 years or so, use of an isp who used qmail, by djb, I > was rather put off by its instant acceptance of what was patently spam, > and finally switching because the place was sold and I lost that account qmail is

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 30 October 2018 13:31:05 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 01:27:19PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > Probably better: > > > > http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/ > > https://packages.debian.org/sid/getmail > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getmail > >

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-30 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 01:27:19PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > Probably better: > > http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/ > https://packages.debian.org/sid/getmail > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getmail > http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/faq.html#faq-about-why Interesting. I haven't used fetchmail

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-30 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 16:31:47 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 09:19:02PM +0100, Andrew Wood wrote: > > I chose Haiku becuase the MUA is unique - it doesnt have a typcial GUI it > > simply periodically downloads mail from an IMAP/POP server into a folder. > > MailMistress gets

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 09:19:02PM +0100, Andrew Wood wrote: > I chose Haiku becuase the MUA is unique - it doesnt have a typcial GUI it > simply periodically downloads mail from an IMAP/POP server into a folder. > MailMistress gets notified when the contents of this folder is updated, > processes

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-25 Thread Andrew Wood
Sorry forgot link https://github.com/bluedalmatian/mailmistress On 25/10/2018 21:19, Andrew Wood wrote: On 24/10/2018 19:26, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: � I tried looking up Haiku, and I got a little mixed up � Haiku is an open source reimplementation of the BeOS, its Unix like, it

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-25 Thread Andrew Wood
On 24/10/2018 19:26, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I tried looking up Haiku, and I got a little mixed up Haiku is an open source reimplementation of the BeOS, its Unix like, it has a bash command line but also its own built in GUI (not X based). You can find out more at www.haiku-os.org and

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 10/24/18, Joe wrote: > On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 17:56:30 +0100 > mick crane wrote: > >> >> It's not very PC but disqus seems to work > > sometimes. What Joe said... It does work on dialup... "sometimes." Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 09:52:20PM +0100, Joe wrote: > I've always found it odd that the country that invented the Internet > seems to have such poor Internet provision. We (UK) have the choice of > at least half a dozen major ISPs, all delivering fibre to the local > cabinet, i.e. 40-80Mb/s, at

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread Joe
On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 15:09:37 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 10/24/18 2:05 PM, Joe wrote: > > > On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:47:10 -0400 > > Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > >> > >> Re. ISP objections - those objections sometimes take the form of > >> active measures that block various kinds of

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 10/24/18 2:05 PM, Joe wrote: On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:47:10 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: On 10/24/18 6:45 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:32:15 AM Miles Fidelman wrote: Yes, but you really need a PUBLIC static IP address, or things tend to get hairy. 

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 10/24/18 2:30 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: Ahh, a useful clue -- so the mail lists that list procmail as a dependency (and no MTA) might meet my desires of being able to run a mail list without setting up an MTA on my own machine. No. Procmail is primarily a LOCAL delivery agent -

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 02:07:46 PM Reco wrote: > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 01:47:27PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Now that is kind of hard to do. All the mailing list servers that I've > > > worked with require a rather intimate interconnection with the MTA that > > > processes

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 01:51:32 PM Andrew Wood wrote: > Ok this is not Linux its Haiku based but I wrote an open source mailing > list system called MailMistress which is on Github for situations where > you need to run a list on a machine without a public IP or where you > want to

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread Reco
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 01:47:27PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Now that is kind of hard to do. All the mailing list servers that I've > > worked with require a rather intimate interconnection with the MTA that > > processes mail. > > As stated somewhere, we're almost certainly going

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread Joe
On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:47:10 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 10/24/18 6:45 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:32:15 AM Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > > > Yes, but you really need a PUBLIC static IP address, or things > > > tend to > > > > > get hairy. 

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread Joe
On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 17:56:30 +0100 mick crane wrote: > > > It's not very PC but disqus seems to work > sometimes. -- Joe

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread Andrew Wood
Ok this is not Linux its Haiku based but I wrote an open source mailing list system called MailMistress which is on Github for situations where you need to run a list on a machine without a public IP or where you want to interface the database of subscribers to an existing system. In our case

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread rhkramer
Thanks for the reply! -- some comments below: On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:47:10 PM Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 10/24/18 6:45 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:32:15 AM Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > Yes, but you really need a PUBLIC static IP address, or things

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 10/24/18 12:56 PM, mick crane wrote: On 2018-10-24 17:47, Miles Fidelman wrote: We've had somebody make such an offer, and we'll probably take them up on it -- I sort of wanted to try to set up a small mail list on one of my computers, as long as I didn't have to run a web server or a

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread mick crane
On 2018-10-24 17:47, Miles Fidelman wrote: We've had somebody make such an offer, and we'll probably take them up on it -- I sort of wanted to try to set up a small mail list on one of my computers, as long as I didn't have to run a web server or a *nix style MTA Now that is kind of hard

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 10/24/18 6:45 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:32:15 AM Miles Fidelman wrote: > Yes, but you really need a PUBLIC static IP address, or things tend to > get hairy.  Dynamic DNS will help, but only to a point.  And, a lot of > ISPs really don't like it if you

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread rhkramer
BTW, I'm on the mailing list, so you don't need to copy me directly. On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 08:12:13 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:51:21 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > > You have a weird restriction: > I was trying to usurp Richard Owlett's position ;-) > > > "I

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-24 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:32:15 AM Miles Fidelman wrote: > Yes, but you really need a PUBLIC static IP address, or things tend to > get hairy. Dynamic DNS will help, but only to a point. And, a lot of > ISPs really don't like it if you run servers at the edge. We are currently such a

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-23 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 10/23/18 8:16 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:04:52 AM Miles Fidelman wrote: Speaking from experience: Running your own server is a bit of a pain - to setup, and to administer, Must be my day to reply to email messages ;-) Yes, I've tried that before. and

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-23 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:04:52 AM Miles Fidelman wrote: > Speaking from experience: Running your own server is a bit of a pain - > to setup, and to administer, Must be my day to reply to email messages ;-) Yes, I've tried that before. > and it's best done on a server with a > static IP

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-23 Thread Dan Ritter
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 09:53:57AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I want to establish a mailing list for the group. > > I want to find either: > >* a "service" that would host a mailing list for the group for free > >* or, put a (simple) mailing list application on one of my

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-23 Thread Miles Fidelman
Speaking from experience:  Running your own server is a bit of a pain - to setup, and to administer, and it's best done on a server with a static IP address, not on a desktop behind a NAT router. (Sympa is what I recommend for those who want to run their own, by the way.) For simple things, I

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-23 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, at 14:53, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > (Aside to Jeff: Just sending you a copy of this for your information.) > > Background: I am working with a Linux SIG that used to be part of a more > general computer group. We plan to change the name to mention "LUG" (GLVLUG > --

Re: Advice on mailing list software -- special requirements

2018-10-23 Thread mick crane
On 2018-10-23 14:53, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: (Aside to Jeff: Just sending you a copy of this for your information.) Background: I am working with a Linux SIG that used to be part of a more general computer group. We plan to change the name to mention "LUG" (GLVLUG -- Greater Lehigh Valley