Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Le 29/12/2017 à 23:46, Dan Norton a écrit : On 12/29/2017 08:52 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: The details for other detected OSes are provided by os-prober. The entry title for the main OS is derived from the GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR variable in /etc/default/grub. You can tweak it to fit your needs. If

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 12/29/2017 08:52 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 21/12/2017 à 20:07, Dan Norton a écrit : Disklabel type: gpt Disk identifier: A615A904-0620-459F-BF44-5E53E54FDF24 Device Start    End    Sectors   Size Type /dev/sda1   2048 411647 409600   200M BIOS boot (...) Is

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Le 21/12/2017 à 20:07, Dan Norton a écrit : Disklabel type: gpt Disk identifier: A615A904-0620-459F-BF44-5E53E54FDF24 Device Start    End    Sectors   Size Type /dev/sda1   2048 411647 409600   200M BIOS boot (...) Is there a problem here? Yes. /dev/sda1 has the

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 12/28/2017 04:48 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 24/12/2017 à 05:36, Felix Miata a écrit : Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-23 19:15 (UTC-0500): The menu inside the box is: Debian GNU/Linux Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) (on /dev/mapper/vol1-root) Advanced

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Le 24/12/2017 à 05:36, Felix Miata a écrit : Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-23 19:15 (UTC-0500): The menu inside the box is: Debian GNU/Linux Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) (on /dev/mapper/vol1-root) Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) (on

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-27 18:59 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Is there more than one directory in /boot/efi/EFI/? If not, it's likely time >> for >> you to explore using /etc/default/grub's GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR= option. I need to >> (only one Debian, but 3 openSUSEs installed), but

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-27 18:59 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Based on what I see and what you say, it seems you are modifying the timeout >> for >> Stretch (/etc/default/grub on vol2), but actually booting Stretch from >> Jessie's >> grub.cfg (/etc/default/grub on vol1), which

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 12/23/2017 11:36 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-23 19:15 (UTC-0500): Felix Miata wrote: The menu inside the box is: Debian GNU/Linux Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) (on /dev/mapper/vol1-root) Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux 8

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-23 19:15 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: > The menu inside the box is: > Debian GNU/Linux > Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux > Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) (on /dev/mapper/vol1-root) > Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) (on /dev/mapper/vol1-root)

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 12/23/2017 04:35 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-23 15:12 (UTC-0500): Felix Miata wrote: [...] It's not so easy to figure out when POST is over with UEFI. Here, it seems efibootmgr -t provides extra delay beyond what the BIOS defines for you to make a selection from

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-23 15:12 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> [...] >> It's not so easy to figure out when POST is over with UEFI. Here, it seems >> efibootmgr -t provides extra delay beyond what the BIOS defines for you to >> make >> a selection from its own boot device selection

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 12/21/2017 05:13 PM, Felix Miata wrote: [...] It's not so easy to figure out when POST is over with UEFI. Here, it seems efibootmgr -t provides extra delay beyond what the BIOS defines for you to make a selection from its own boot device selection menu, which requires an F12 keystroke here to

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-21 16:53 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-21 14:07 (UTC-0500): >>> There are still mysteries I have not solved. For some reason, GRUB has >>> decided that after POST, you only need 3 seconds to choose which >>> installation to

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:53:19 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: > [1] "Insanity is doing the same thing over & over again and expecting > a different result." - Einstein > Probably the single most stupid thing he ever said, given that he also said 'God does not play dice',

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 12/21/2017 02:54 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-21 14:07 (UTC-0500): 2. You will make extra work for yourself by having a common swap partition for all installations. With the common swap, each new installation gave rise to these messages:   a. "gave up waiting for

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-21 14:07 (UTC-0500): > 2. You will make extra work for yourself by having a common swap > partition for all installations. With the common swap, each new > installation gave rise to these messages: >   a. "gave up waiting for suspend/resume device" >   b. "a

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 12/21/2017 04:36 AM, Felix Miata wrote: Felix Miata composed on 2017-11-29 13:55 (UTC-0500): Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-28 22:15 (UTC-0500): dan@debian8:~$ sudo fdisk /dev/sda Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/sda: 931.5 GiB, 1000204886016 bytes, 1953525168 sectors Units: sectors of 1

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Felix Miata composed on 2017-11-29 13:55 (UTC-0500): > Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-28 22:15 (UTC-0500): >> dan@debian8:~$ sudo fdisk /dev/sda >> Command (m for help): p >> Disk /dev/sda: 931.5 GiB, 1000204886016 bytes, 1953525168 sectors >> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes >> Sector size

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/29/2017 04:29 PM, Dan Norton wrote: On 11/29/2017 03:57 PM, Joe wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:37:46 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: On 11/29/2017 01:36 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-29 13:07 (UTC-0500): After POST, the following appears:

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:06:53 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: > > > > [1] http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/grub-reinstall.htm > > Well that won't fly. Booted Debian-Live 8.8.0 amd64 Standard and > reached Step 8 in section 1.1 of [1] which called for "grub-install >

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/29/2017 03:57 PM, Joe wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:37:46 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: On 11/29/2017 01:36 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-29 13:07 (UTC-0500): After POST, the following appears: [...] PXE-E53: No boot filename received

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/29/2017 03:37 PM, Dan Norton wrote: On 11/29/2017 01:36 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-29 13:07 (UTC-0500): After POST, the following appears: [...] PXE-E53: No boot filename received PXE-MOF: Exiting PXE ROM. ERROR:No boot disk has been detected or the disk

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:37:46 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: > On 11/29/2017 01:36 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-29 13:07 (UTC-0500): > >> After POST, the following appears: > >> [...] > >> PXE-E53: No boot filename received > >> PXE-MOF: Exiting PXE

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/29/2017 01:36 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-29 13:07 (UTC-0500): After POST, the following appears: [...] PXE-E53: No boot filename received PXE-MOF: Exiting PXE ROM. ERROR:No boot disk has been detected or the disk has failed. It tries to PXE boot because it

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Felix Miata composed on 2017-11-29 13:55 (UTC-0500): > Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-28 22:15 (UTC-0500): >> dan@debian8:~$ sudo fdisk /dev/sda >> Command (m for help): p >> Disk /dev/sda: 931.5 GiB, 1000204886016 bytes, 1953525168 sectors >> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes >> Sector size

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-28 22:15 (UTC-0500): > dan@debian8:~$ sudo fdisk /dev/sda > Command (m for help): p > Disk /dev/sda: 931.5 GiB, 1000204886016 bytes, 1953525168 sectors > Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:19:13 + Joe wrote: Wrong button. Let's try again: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:07:01 -0500 > Dan Norton wrote: > > > > > After POST, the following appears: > > > > [...] > > PXE-E53: No boot filename received > > PXE-MOF:

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-29 13:07 (UTC-0500): > After POST, the following appears: > [...] > PXE-E53: No boot filename received > PXE-MOF: Exiting PXE ROM. > ERROR:No boot disk has been detected or the disk has failed. It tries to PXE boot because it finds no bootable storage device: there

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:07:01 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: > On 11/16/2017 03:13 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Joe composed on 2017-11-16 19:27 (UTC): > > > >> I see the date of the page is 2015, > > IIRC, that 2015 update was all about updating and/or replacing > > broken

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/16/2017 03:13 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Joe composed on 2017-11-16 19:27 (UTC): I see the date of the page is 2015, IIRC, that 2015 update was all about updating and/or replacing broken links. Multiple OSes will still use one overall bootloader, which may or may not redirect to other

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/29/2017 03:59 AM, Joe wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:15:22 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: On 11/13/2017 01:55 PM, Joe wrote: On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:01:27 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: Although I didn't say so, each install would have its own set

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 09:38:59PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: How do you set up LVM so that install does not clobber one of the siblings? During installation, for partitioning, do you pick "Manual" or "Guided -*" ? Manual. Guided -* is very likely to result in you clobbering the existing

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:15:22 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: > On 11/13/2017 01:55 PM, Joe wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:01:27 -0500 > > Dan Norton wrote: > > > > > >> Although I didn't say so, each install would have its own set of > >>

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 29 November 2017 at 03:15, Dan Norton wrote: > > On 11/13/2017 01:55 PM, Joe wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:01:27 -0500 > Dan Norton wrote: > > > > Although I didn't say so, each install would have its own set of >

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/2017 01:55 PM, Joe wrote: On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:01:27 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: Although I didn't say so, each install would have its own set of directories. Please say more about how to mount the other installation and share data. How to mount things in

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/16/2017 02:27 PM, Joe wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:34:52 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: On 11/13/2017 09:52 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-13 21:38 (UTC-0500): How do you set up LVM so that install does not clobber one of the siblings?

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/16/2017 02:06 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-16 13:34 (UTC-0500): A better description of what I want is "multiboot", instead of "dual boot" in this thread. I can see having up to 4 systems installed, all Debians, on one disk drive. There is an item in [1] which

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Joe composed on 2017-11-16 19:27 (UTC): > I see the date of the page is 2015, IIRC, that 2015 update was all about updating and/or replacing broken links. > Multiple OSes will still use one overall bootloader, which may or may > not redirect to other bootloaders. It is common, therefore, to use

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:34:52 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: > On 11/13/2017 09:52 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-13 21:38 (UTC-0500): > > > >> How do you set up LVM so that install does not clobber one of the > >> siblings? During installation, for

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-16 13:34 (UTC-0500): > A better description of what I want is "multiboot", instead of "dual > boot" in this thread. I can see having up to 4 systems installed, all > Debians, on one disk drive. There is an item in [1] which I see that reads: >   6. Disable LVM

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/2017 09:52 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-13 21:38 (UTC-0500): How do you set up LVM so that install does not clobber one of the siblings? During installation, for partitioning, do you pick "Manual" or "Guided -*" ? I don't think I've ever used Debian's, or

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/2017 09:52 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-13 21:38 (UTC-0500): How do you set up LVM so that install does not clobber one of the siblings? During installation, for partitioning, do you pick "Manual" or "Guided -*" ? I don't think I've ever used Debian's, or

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-13 21:38 (UTC-0500): > How do you set up LVM so that install does not clobber one of the > siblings? During installation, for partitioning, do you pick "Manual" or > "Guided -*" ? I don't think I've ever used Debian's, or any Debian derivative's, "guided". I

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/2017 07:42 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-13 18:04 (UTC-0500): Felix Miata wrote: There's no need for separate home file systems to keep one installation from causing corruption to another's user settings. Simply do not reuse UIDs[1]. On your first, your

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-13 18:04 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> There's no need for separate home file systems to keep one installation from >> causing corruption to another's user settings. Simply do not reuse UIDs[1]. >> On your first, your Jessie probably has a user dan with UID

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/17 15:27, Dan Norton wrote: On 11/13/2017 02:14 PM, David Christensen wrote: [...] Disk space is far cheaper than data loss.  Don't make the mistake of trying to save money through partition, LVM, file system, etc., gymnastics rather than simply buying another drive and doing it

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/2017 02:14 PM, David Christensen wrote: [...] Disk space is far cheaper than data loss. Don't make the mistake of trying to save money through partition, LVM, file system, etc., gymnastics rather than simply buying another drive and doing it the KISS way. Well I'm much in

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/2017 02:08 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-13 10:26 (UTC-0500): David Christensen wrote: Dan Norton wrote: My first Linux install was about one year ago. After some missteps, I have used Debian 8 in reasonable satisfaction on the desktop during that year. Now

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton: > On 11/13/2017 03:53 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote: >> Dan Norton: >> >>> LVM reports as follows: >>> >>> dan@debian:/$ sudo vgdisplay -C >>>VG #PV #LV #SN AttrVSize VFree >>>debian-vg 1 5 0wz--n- 976.56g 938.20g >> >> You can vgreduce debian-vg

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/2017 02:08 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-13 10:26 (UTC-0500): David Christensen wrote: Dan Norton wrote: My first Linux install was about one year ago. After some missteps, I have used Debian 8 in reasonable satisfaction on the desktop during that year. Now

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/17 07:26, Dan Norton wrote: On 11/13/2017 01:10 AM, David Christensen wrote: 1.  Image, backup, and/or archive everything.  You will especially want to get a copy of the /etc tree onto a USB flash drive so you can see LVM, fstab, etc., configuration settings for mounting the Debian

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton composed on 2017-11-13 10:26 (UTC-0500): > David Christensen wrote: >> Dan Norton wrote: >>> My first Linux install was about one year ago. After some missteps, I >>> have used Debian 8 in reasonable satisfaction on the desktop during >>> that year. Now I want to leave 8 in place

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:01:27 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: > Although I didn't say so, each install would have its own set of > directories. Please say more about how to mount the other > installation and share data. How to mount things in another volume > group? > Good

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/2017 11:07 AM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 11:01:27AM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: Although I didn't say so, each install would have its own set of directories. Please say more about how to mount the other installation and share data. How to mount things in another

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 11:01:27AM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > > Although I didn't say so, each install would have its own set of > directories. Please say more about how to mount the other installation and > share data. How to mount things in another volume group? > That would be as simple as

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/2017 06:56 AM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 10:27:36PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: My first Linux install was about one year ago. After some missteps, I have used Debian 8 in reasonable satisfaction on the desktop during that year. Now I want to leave 8 in place and

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/2017 03:53 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote: Dan Norton: henny|i My first Linux install was about one year ago. After some missteps, I have used Debian 8 in reasonable satisfaction on the desktop during that year. Now I want to leave 8 in place and do a network install for Debian 9 on the

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/13/2017 01:10 AM, David Christensen wrote: On 11/12/17 19:27, Dan Norton wrote: My first Linux install was about one year ago. After some missteps, I have used Debian 8 in reasonable satisfaction on the desktop during that year. Now I want to leave 8 in place and do a network install

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 10:27:36PM -0500, Dan Norton wrote: > My first Linux install was about one year ago. After some missteps, I have > used Debian 8 in reasonable satisfaction on the desktop during that year. > Now I want to leave 8 in place and do a network install for Debian 9 on the > same

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

Dan Norton: henny|i > My first Linux install was about one year ago. After some missteps, I have > used Debian 8 in reasonable satisfaction on the desktop during that year. > Now I want to leave 8 in place and do a network install for Debian 9 on the > same disk and switch back and forth at boot

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

On 11/12/17 19:27, Dan Norton wrote: My first Linux install was about one year ago. After some missteps, I have used Debian 8 in reasonable satisfaction on the desktop during that year. Now I want to leave 8 in place and do a network install for Debian 9 on the same disk and switch back and