Re: Hrdware question

[David Christensen]

On 08/15/2018 10:19 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

On 08/11/2018 04:50 PM, David Christensen wrote:

I recommend:

1.  Get a small, fast, high-quality SSD to use as the system drive. 
Connect it to motherboard port SATA6G_1.


2.  Connect the optical drive to SATA6G_2.

3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually, 
creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root 
(10 GB).  Leave the remaining space unused.  This will give you a 
system image that can fit on a 16 GB USB flash drive, a 16 GB SDD, or 
a 25 GB Blu-ray disc.  The first allows you to carry your desktop in 
your pocket, using laptops and PC's as convenient.  The second gives 
you the best performance.  The third is for taking archival images.


4.  Connect the 500 GB HDD to SATA6G_3 and the 2 TB drive to SATA6G_4. 
Mount the HDD partitions and/or directories as desired. Adjust owner 
and group identifiers as required.


5.  Use the system drive for the operating system, applications, and 
carefully-chosen data.  (I keep my e-mail and CVS working directories 
in my home directory on the system drive.)  Keep the rest of your data 
on the HDD's.


I've gotten really great help.  At this point, I have installed the sdd 


I assume you mean "SSD" (?).



to SATA6G_1 and have changed the rest of the ports.


I should have been more explicit:

2a. Disconnect the 500 GB and 2 TB drives.


Now, I'm almost 
ready to install Stretch on the SDD 


I assume you mean "SSD" (?).


and leave the current installation 
on the 2GB drive   Is there any chance of a conflict?


One of the last steps in the Debian Installer (d-i) is to run the GRUB 
set up script.  I believe the GRUB set up script is also run whenever 
/boot/initrd.img is rebuilt (such as when the kernel is updated).  There 
many be other situations where the GRUB set up script is run.


I believe that whenever the GRUB set up script runs with the default 
options, it will scan all the drives in your system looking for bootable 
partitions and it will add those that it finds into GRUB's file 
structures and/or scripts.


The easiest way to avoid confusion/ complexity is to make sure that you 
have only one bootable partition whenever the GRUB set up script runs.


So, in addition to step 2a above, this implies another step:

4a. Run a partitioning program (fdisk, parted, etc.) and turn off any 
bootable partition flags on the 500 GB drive and/or 2 TB drive.



I'm still a tad hesitant as it involved the BIOS.  When I open the BIOS 
(on boot with F2)  the Eazy Mode Boot Priority only lets me select 
between the Optical Drive and and the 500MB Western Digital, neither one 
of which have the current OS.  In order to boot the current OS on the 
2TB HD I have to use the Boot Menu (F8) which has the all of the drives 
on the Platform.  I've not been able to figure how to add more drives to 
the Boot Priority Menu.  Will loading the bios defaults populate the 
Boot Priority Menu?  That's the action I'm a bit hesitant about.


I would boot into the BIOS setup utility, load the defaults, and then go 
through the pages looking for items of interest.  For example, switching 
to advanced BIOS set up mode, enabling detailed messages during boot, 
enabling full memory test during boot, etc..  STFW for any settings you 
do not understand.  Save when done, if your BIOS set up does not save 
automatically.


This implies another step:

0.  Have a second, working computer that you can use for web browsing 
and e-mail while you work on the Linux computer.




Once again, thanks in advance.


Thanks for being persistent.  :-)


David

Re: Hrdware question

[David Christensen]

On 08/15/2018 12:27 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

Le 15/08/2018 à 05:36, David Christensen a écrit :

On 08/12/2018 11:01 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:


Mind to explain why should /boot be on a separate partition ?


Primarily because I often use dm-crypt on swap and root; 


Plain dm-crypt or LUKS ?


Whatever d-i sets up.



boot must be unencrypted.


Only if using plain dm-crypt. GRUB can handle LUKS encryption on /boot.


I have no doubt that people have figured out many other approaches to 
encryption.  I prefer KISS, so I use what d-i offers.



David

Re: Hrdware question

[David Wright]

On Wed 15 Aug 2018 at 21:08:50 (+0200), john doe wrote:
> On 8/15/2018 7:19 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> >
> >
> >On 08/11/2018 04:50 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> >>On 08/11/2018 08:19 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> >>>I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.
> >>>
> >>>I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have
> >>>a question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0
> >>>MB.
> >>>
> >>>I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has
> >>>not been a friend to me.  What I found via that route was that
> >>>the 6 SATA ports are the same.  Should the boot drive be
> >>>plugged into SATA8G_1?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >>On 08/11/2018 10:21 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> >>> I appreciate the responses. I have looked a the MB Manual and the BIOS
> >>> in both the easy mode and the advanced mode. (incidentally, the BIOS
> >>> is current)
> >>>
> >>> I have three dives on the platform:
> >>>
> >>>   *-cdrom
> >>> description: DVD-RAM writer
> >>> product: DVDRAM GH24NSB0
> >>> vendor: HL-DT-ST
> >>> physical id: 0.0.0
> >>> bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
> >>> logical name: /dev/cdrom
> >>> logical name: /dev/cdrw
> >>> logical name: /dev/dvd
> >>> logical name: /dev/dvdrw
> >>> logical name: /dev/sr0
> >>> version: LN00
> >>> capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
> >>> configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
> >>>    *-disk
> >>> description: ATA Disk
> >>> product: ST2000DM006-2DM1
> >>> vendor: Seagate
> >>> physical id: 0.0.0
> >>> bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
> >>> logical name: /dev/sda
> >>> version: CC26
> >>> serial: Z560Q2JW
> >>> size: 1863GiB (2TB)
> >>> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> >>> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> >>> sectorsize=4096 signature=0bc7db76
> >>>    *-disk
> >>> description: ATA Disk
> >>> product: WDC WD5000AAKS-0
> >>> vendor: Western Digital
> >>> physical id: 0.0.0
> >>> bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
> >>> logical name: /dev/sdb
> >>> version: 3B01
> >>> serial: WD-WMASY0223768
> >>> size: 465GiB (500GB)
> >>> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> >>> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> >>> sectorsize=512 signature=0003d403
> >>>
> >>> I installed the current Debian Version on the 2TB HD as it was new at
> >>> the time.
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately, the boot sequence on the EZ Mode screen is only shows
> >>> the WD 500GB drive and the cdrom drive. I can only see the 2TB drive,
> >>> upon which I installed grub, by hitting F8 and selecting the 1TB drive
> >>> for booting.  Now the last time I installed a HD on the system I can't
> >>> say as I paid any attention as to which connector each drive was
> >>> plugged into.  Hence, the question that started this thread.
> >>>
> >>> As I am strictly a user of computers I am very hesitant to mess around
> >>> with the hardware and the BIOS.
> >>>
> >>> let me finish his email by saying that I am most appreciative of the
> >>> patience and consideration of most of the users of this list!
> >>
> >>I will assume that you have one computer, an Internet gateway,
> >>and an Ethernet cable between them.
> >>
> >>
> >>Hardware can be easy.  Get an anti-static wrist strap and take
> >>your time.  Read the users manual for the various components.
> >>STFW and watch YouTube videos to learn more.
> >>
> >>
> >>BIOS can be easy.  Load the defaults and only change those
> >>settings which you have a compelling reason.  Again, learn as
> >>required.
> >>
> >>
> >>Linux, FOSS services and applications, and their myriad settings
> >>and interactions are all never-ending learning curves.
> >>
> >>
> >>Looking at the motherboard users manual:
> >>
> >>http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A97_R2.0/E7438_M5A97_R20_Manual_web_hi-res.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >>Section 1.2.9, item 4, is titled "Serial ATA 6.0 Gb/s connectors
> >>(7-pin SATA6G 1~6)".  Unfortunately, the motherboard and
> >>connector diagram has been badly pixelated, but the SATA
> >>connectors appear to be labeled SATA6G_1 through SATA6G_6 (?). 
> >>Please confirm.
> >>
> >>
> >>I recommend:
> >>
> >>1.  Get a small, fast, high-quality SSD to use as the system
> >>drive. Connect it to motherboard port SATA6G_1.
> >>
> >>2.  Connect the optical drive to SATA6G_2.
> >>
> >>3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition
> >>manually, creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap
> >>(1 GB), and root (10 GB).  Leave the remaining space unused. 
> >>This will give you a system image that can fit on a 16 GB USB
> >>flash drive, a 16 GB SDD, or a 25 GB Blu-ray disc.  The first
> >>allows you to carry your desktop in your pocket, using laptops
> >>and PC's as convenient.  The second 

Re: Hrdware question

[john doe]

On 8/15/2018 7:19 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:



On 08/11/2018 04:50 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 08/11/2018 08:19 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.


I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been 
a friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA 
ports are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?


Thanks in advance.


On 08/11/2018 10:21 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I appreciate the responses. I have looked a the MB Manual and the BIOS
> in both the easy mode and the advanced mode. (incidentally, the BIOS
> is current)
>
> I have three dives on the platform:
>
>   *-cdrom
> description: DVD-RAM writer
> product: DVDRAM GH24NSB0
> vendor: HL-DT-ST
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/cdrom
> logical name: /dev/cdrw
> logical name: /dev/dvd
> logical name: /dev/dvdrw
> logical name: /dev/sr0
> version: LN00
> capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
> configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
>    *-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: ST2000DM006-2DM1
> vendor: Seagate
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sda
> version: CC26
> serial: Z560Q2JW
> size: 1863GiB (2TB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=4096 signature=0bc7db76
>    *-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: WDC WD5000AAKS-0
> vendor: Western Digital
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sdb
> version: 3B01
> serial: WD-WMASY0223768
> size: 465GiB (500GB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=512 signature=0003d403
>
> I installed the current Debian Version on the 2TB HD as it was new at
> the time.
>
> Unfortunately, the boot sequence on the EZ Mode screen is only shows
> the WD 500GB drive and the cdrom drive. I can only see the 2TB drive,
> upon which I installed grub, by hitting F8 and selecting the 1TB drive
> for booting.  Now the last time I installed a HD on the system I can't
> say as I paid any attention as to which connector each drive was
> plugged into.  Hence, the question that started this thread.
>
> As I am strictly a user of computers I am very hesitant to mess around
> with the hardware and the BIOS.
>
> let me finish his email by saying that I am most appreciative of the
> patience and consideration of most of the users of this list!

I will assume that you have one computer, an Internet gateway, and an 
Ethernet cable between them.



Hardware can be easy.  Get an anti-static wrist strap and take your 
time.  Read the users manual for the various components. STFW and 
watch YouTube videos to learn more.



BIOS can be easy.  Load the defaults and only change those settings 
which you have a compelling reason.  Again, learn as required.



Linux, FOSS services and applications, and their myriad settings and 
interactions are all never-ending learning curves.



Looking at the motherboard users manual:

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A97_R2.0/E7438_M5A97_R20_Manual_web_hi-res.pdf 



Section 1.2.9, item 4, is titled "Serial ATA 6.0 Gb/s connectors 
(7-pin SATA6G 1~6)".  Unfortunately, the motherboard and connector 
diagram has been badly pixelated, but the SATA connectors appear to be 
labeled SATA6G_1 through SATA6G_6 (?).  Please confirm.



I recommend:

1.  Get a small, fast, high-quality SSD to use as the system drive. 
Connect it to motherboard port SATA6G_1.


2.  Connect the optical drive to SATA6G_2.

3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually, 
creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root 
(10 GB).  Leave the remaining space unused.  This will give you a 
system image that can fit on a 16 GB USB flash drive, a 16 GB SDD, or 
a 25 GB Blu-ray disc.  The first allows you to carry your desktop in 
your pocket, using laptops and PC's as convenient.  The second gives 
you the best performance.  The third is for taking archival images.


4.  Connect the 500 GB HDD to SATA6G_3 and the 2 TB drive to SATA6G_4. 
Mount the HDD partitions and/or directories as desired. Adjust owner 
and group identifiers as required.


5.  Use the system drive for the operating system, applications, and 
carefully-chosen data.  (I keep my e-mail and CVS working directories 
in my home directory on the system drive.)  Keep the rest of your data 
on the HDD's.



David


I've gotten really great help.  At this p

Re: Hrdware question

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 08/11/2018 04:50 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 08/11/2018 08:19 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.


I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been 
a friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA 
ports are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?


Thanks in advance.


On 08/11/2018 10:21 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I appreciate the responses. I have looked a the MB Manual and the BIOS
> in both the easy mode and the advanced mode. (incidentally, the BIOS
> is current)
>
> I have three dives on the platform:
>
>   *-cdrom
> description: DVD-RAM writer
> product: DVDRAM GH24NSB0
> vendor: HL-DT-ST
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/cdrom
> logical name: /dev/cdrw
> logical name: /dev/dvd
> logical name: /dev/dvdrw
> logical name: /dev/sr0
> version: LN00
> capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
> configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
>*-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: ST2000DM006-2DM1
> vendor: Seagate
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sda
> version: CC26
> serial: Z560Q2JW
> size: 1863GiB (2TB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=4096 signature=0bc7db76
>*-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: WDC WD5000AAKS-0
> vendor: Western Digital
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sdb
> version: 3B01
> serial: WD-WMASY0223768
> size: 465GiB (500GB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=512 signature=0003d403
>
> I installed the current Debian Version on the 2TB HD as it was new at
> the time.
>
> Unfortunately, the boot sequence on the EZ Mode screen is only shows
> the WD 500GB drive and the cdrom drive. I can only see the 2TB drive,
> upon which I installed grub, by hitting F8 and selecting the 1TB drive
> for booting.  Now the last time I installed a HD on the system I can't
> say as I paid any attention as to which connector each drive was
> plugged into.  Hence, the question that started this thread.
>
> As I am strictly a user of computers I am very hesitant to mess around
> with the hardware and the BIOS.
>
> let me finish his email by saying that I am most appreciative of the
> patience and consideration of most of the users of this list!

I will assume that you have one computer, an Internet gateway, and an 
Ethernet cable between them.



Hardware can be easy.  Get an anti-static wrist strap and take your 
time.  Read the users manual for the various components. STFW and 
watch YouTube videos to learn more.



BIOS can be easy.  Load the defaults and only change those settings 
which you have a compelling reason.  Again, learn as required.



Linux, FOSS services and applications, and their myriad settings and 
interactions are all never-ending learning curves.



Looking at the motherboard users manual:

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A97_R2.0/E7438_M5A97_R20_Manual_web_hi-res.pdf 



Section 1.2.9, item 4, is titled "Serial ATA 6.0 Gb/s connectors 
(7-pin SATA6G 1~6)".  Unfortunately, the motherboard and connector 
diagram has been badly pixelated, but the SATA connectors appear to be 
labeled SATA6G_1 through SATA6G_6 (?).  Please confirm.



I recommend:

1.  Get a small, fast, high-quality SSD to use as the system drive. 
Connect it to motherboard port SATA6G_1.


2.  Connect the optical drive to SATA6G_2.

3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually, 
creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root 
(10 GB).  Leave the remaining space unused.  This will give you a 
system image that can fit on a 16 GB USB flash drive, a 16 GB SDD, or 
a 25 GB Blu-ray disc.  The first allows you to carry your desktop in 
your pocket, using laptops and PC's as convenient.  The second gives 
you the best performance.  The third is for taking archival images.


4.  Connect the 500 GB HDD to SATA6G_3 and the 2 TB drive to SATA6G_4. 
Mount the HDD partitions and/or directories as desired. Adjust owner 
and group identifiers as required.


5.  Use the system drive for the operating system, applications, and 
carefully-chosen data.  (I keep my e-mail and CVS working directories 
in my home directory on the system drive.)  Keep the rest of your data 
on the HDD's.



David


I've gotten really great help.  At this point, I have installed the sdd 
to SATA6G_1 and

Re: Hrdware question

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 12/08/2018 à 21:27, Dan Ritter a écrit :

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 08:01:08PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

Le 11/08/2018 à 22:50, David Christensen a écrit :


3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually,
creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root
(10 GB).


Mind to explain why should /boot be on a separate partition ?


It used to be the case that various bootloaders would not be
able to boot from a partition larger than a certain size.


It used to, in a very distant past. Bootloaders which cannot boot from a 
1 GB partition must have long gone.



If your root partition is encrypted, or uses an exotic
filesystem, a separate /boot may be needed.

A separate /boot may be used as part of a rescue booting system,
so that you can fix a broken /.

If none of those reasons apply, you can safely have a unified /
and /boot.


I know all this and did not ask why may /boot be on a separate partition 
*in general* but why should /boot be on a separate partition *in the 
specific context of this thread*.

Re: Hrdware question

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 12/08/2018 à 21:38, Michael Wagner a écrit :

On Aug 12, 2018 at 20:01:08, Pascal Hambourg wrote:


Mind to explain why should /boot be on a separate partition ?


when you have /boot on a seperate partition, you can mount it read-only
and only when kernel updates arrives, you mount it read-write.


You can do that with other quasi-static parts of the filesystem such as 
/usr too. So what's special with /boot which justifies mounting it 
read-only more than other parts ?

Re: Hrdware question

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 15/08/2018 à 05:36, David Christensen a écrit :

On 08/12/2018 11:01 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:


Mind to explain why should /boot be on a separate partition ?


Primarily because I often use dm-crypt on swap and root; 


Plain dm-crypt or LUKS ?


boot must be unencrypted.


Only if using plain dm-crypt. GRUB can handle LUKS encryption on /boot.

Re: Hrdware question

[tomas]

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:36:47PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> On 08/12/2018 11:01 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> >Le 11/08/2018 à 22:50, David Christensen a écrit :
> >>
> >>3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition
> >>manually, creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap
> >>(1 GB), and root (10 GB).
> >
> >Mind to explain why should /boot be on a separate partition ?
> >
> 
> Primarily because I often use dm-crypt on swap and root; boot must
> be unencrypted.

While unencrypted /boot is the most common setup (mine too), you *can*
have encrypted /boot to:

  https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/encrypted_debian.html

Some assembly required :-)

Cheers
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Re: Hrdware question

[David Christensen]

On 08/12/2018 11:01 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

Le 11/08/2018 à 22:50, David Christensen a écrit :


3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually, 
creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root 
(10 GB).


Mind to explain why should /boot be on a separate partition ?



Primarily because I often use dm-crypt on swap and root; boot must be 
unencrypted.



David

Re: Hrdware question

[Michael Wagner]

On Aug 12, 2018 at 20:01:08, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 11/08/2018 à 22:50, David Christensen a écrit :
> > 
> > 3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually,
> > creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root (10
> > GB).
> 
> Mind to explain why should /boot be on a separate partition ?
> 

Hello Pascal,

when you have /boot on a seperate partition, you can mount it read-only 
and only when kernel updates arrives, you mount it read-write.

Michael

-- 
If you have to ask what jazz is, you'll never know.


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Re: Hrdware question

[Dan Ritter]

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 08:01:08PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 11/08/2018 à 22:50, David Christensen a écrit :
> > 
> > 3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually,
> > creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root
> > (10 GB).
> 
> Mind to explain why should /boot be on a separate partition ?

It used to be the case that various bootloaders would not be
able to boot from a partition larger than a certain size.

If your root partition is encrypted, or uses an exotic
filesystem, a separate /boot may be needed.

A separate /boot may be used as part of a rescue booting system,
so that you can fix a broken /.

If none of those reasons apply, you can safely have a unified /
and /boot.

-dsr-

Re: Hrdware question

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 11/08/2018 à 22:50, David Christensen a écrit :


3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually, 
creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root 
(10 GB).


Mind to explain why should /boot be on a separate partition ?

Re: Hrdware question

[deloptes]

Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

> This answers my question.

Today grub is using uuid to find out which drive it needs to boot from.
On my hobby server I have 8 drives in raid1 and when the storage (LSI) comes
up some times some drives are initialized before others, but using UUID
instead sda, sdb etc makes it work like a charm.

regards

Re: Hrdware question

[Dale Forsyth]

https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: Stephen P. Molnar 
Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2018 7:20 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Hrdware question


On 08/11/2018 04:50 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> On 08/11/2018 08:19 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
>> I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.
>>
>> I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a
>> question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.
>>
>> I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been
>> a friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA
>> ports are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> On 08/11/2018 10:21 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> > I appreciate the responses. I have looked a the MB Manual and the BIOS
> > in both the easy mode and the advanced mode. (incidentally, the BIOS
> > is current)
> >
> > I have three dives on the platform:
> >
> >   *-cdrom
> > description: DVD-RAM writer
> > product: DVDRAM GH24NSB0
> > vendor: HL-DT-ST
> > physical id: 0.0.0
> > bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
> > logical name: /dev/cdrom
> > logical name: /dev/cdrw
> > logical name: /dev/dvd
> > logical name: /dev/dvdrw
> > logical name: /dev/sr0
> > version: LN00
> > capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
> > configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
> >*-disk
> > description: ATA Disk
> > product: ST2000DM006-2DM1
> > vendor: Seagate
> > physical id: 0.0.0
> > bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
> > logical name: /dev/sda
> > version: CC26
> > serial: Z560Q2JW
> > size: 1863GiB (2TB)
> > capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> > configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> > sectorsize=4096 signature=0bc7db76
> >*-disk
> > description: ATA Disk
> > product: WDC WD5000AAKS-0
> > vendor: Western Digital
> > physical id: 0.0.0
> > bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
> > logical name: /dev/sdb
> > version: 3B01
> > serial: WD-WMASY0223768
> > size: 465GiB (500GB)
> > capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> > configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> > sectorsize=512 signature=0003d403
> >
> > I installed the current Debian Version on the 2TB HD as it was new at
> > the time.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the boot sequence on the EZ Mode screen is only shows
> > the WD 500GB drive and the cdrom drive. I can only see the 2TB drive,
> > upon which I installed grub, by hitting F8 and selecting the 1TB drive
> > for booting.  Now the last time I installed a HD on the system I can't
> > say as I paid any attention as to which connector each drive was
> > plugged into.  Hence, the question that started this thread.
> >
> > As I am strictly a user of computers I am very hesitant to mess around
> > with the hardware and the BIOS.
> >
> > let me finish his email by saying that I am most appreciative of the
> > patience and consideration of most of the users of this list!
>
> I will assume that you have one computer, an Internet gateway, and an
> Ethernet cable between them.
>
>
> Hardware can be easy.  Get an anti-static wrist strap and take your
> time.  Read the users manual for the various components. STFW and
> watch YouTube videos to learn more.
>
>
> BIOS can be easy.  Load the defaults and only change those settings
> which you have a compelling reason.  Again, learn as required.
>
>
> Linux, FOSS services and applications, and their myriad settings and
> interactions are all never-ending learning curves.
>
>
> Looking at the motherboard users manual:
>
> http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A97_R2.0/E7438_M5A97_R20_Manual_web_hi-res.pdf
>
>
> Section 1.2.9, item 4, is titled "Serial ATA 6.0 Gb/s connectors
> (7-pin SATA6G 1~6)".  Unfortunately, the motherboard and connector
> diagram has been badly pixelated, but the SATA connectors appear to be
> labeled SATA6G_1 through SATA6G_6 (?).  Please confirm.
>
>
> I recommend:
>
> 1.  Get a small, fast, high-quality SSD to use as the system drive.
> Connect it to motherboard port SATA6G_1SATA6G_1.
>
> 2.  Connect the optical drive to S

Re: Hrdware question

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 08/11/2018 04:50 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 08/11/2018 08:19 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.


I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been 
a friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA 
ports are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?


Thanks in advance.


On 08/11/2018 10:21 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I appreciate the responses. I have looked a the MB Manual and the BIOS
> in both the easy mode and the advanced mode. (incidentally, the BIOS
> is current)
>
> I have three dives on the platform:
>
>   *-cdrom
> description: DVD-RAM writer
> product: DVDRAM GH24NSB0
> vendor: HL-DT-ST
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/cdrom
> logical name: /dev/cdrw
> logical name: /dev/dvd
> logical name: /dev/dvdrw
> logical name: /dev/sr0
> version: LN00
> capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
> configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
>*-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: ST2000DM006-2DM1
> vendor: Seagate
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sda
> version: CC26
> serial: Z560Q2JW
> size: 1863GiB (2TB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=4096 signature=0bc7db76
>*-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: WDC WD5000AAKS-0
> vendor: Western Digital
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sdb
> version: 3B01
> serial: WD-WMASY0223768
> size: 465GiB (500GB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=512 signature=0003d403
>
> I installed the current Debian Version on the 2TB HD as it was new at
> the time.
>
> Unfortunately, the boot sequence on the EZ Mode screen is only shows
> the WD 500GB drive and the cdrom drive. I can only see the 2TB drive,
> upon which I installed grub, by hitting F8 and selecting the 1TB drive
> for booting.  Now the last time I installed a HD on the system I can't
> say as I paid any attention as to which connector each drive was
> plugged into.  Hence, the question that started this thread.
>
> As I am strictly a user of computers I am very hesitant to mess around
> with the hardware and the BIOS.
>
> let me finish his email by saying that I am most appreciative of the
> patience and consideration of most of the users of this list!

I will assume that you have one computer, an Internet gateway, and an 
Ethernet cable between them.



Hardware can be easy.  Get an anti-static wrist strap and take your 
time.  Read the users manual for the various components. STFW and 
watch YouTube videos to learn more.



BIOS can be easy.  Load the defaults and only change those settings 
which you have a compelling reason.  Again, learn as required.



Linux, FOSS services and applications, and their myriad settings and 
interactions are all never-ending learning curves.



Looking at the motherboard users manual:

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A97_R2.0/E7438_M5A97_R20_Manual_web_hi-res.pdf 



Section 1.2.9, item 4, is titled "Serial ATA 6.0 Gb/s connectors 
(7-pin SATA6G 1~6)".  Unfortunately, the motherboard and connector 
diagram has been badly pixelated, but the SATA connectors appear to be 
labeled SATA6G_1 through SATA6G_6 (?).  Please confirm.



I recommend:

1.  Get a small, fast, high-quality SSD to use as the system drive. 
Connect it to motherboard port SATA6G_1SATA6G_1.


2.  Connect the optical drive to SATA6G_2.

3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually, 
creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root 
(10 GB).  Leave the remaining space unused.  This will give you a 
system image that can fit on a 16 GB USB flash drive, a 16 GB SDD, or 
a 25 GB Blu-ray disc.  The first allows you to carry your desktop in 
your pocket, using laptops and PC's as convenient.  The second gives 
you the best performance.  The third is for taking archival images.


4.  Connect the 500 GB HDD to SATA6G_3 and the 2 TB drive to SATA6G_4. 
Mount the HDD partitions and/or directories as desired. Adjust owner 
and group identifiers as required.


5.  Use the system drive for the operating system, applications, and 
carefully-chosen data.  (I keep my e-mail and CVS working directories 
in my home directory on the system drive.)  Keep the rest of your data 
on the HDD's.



David




Oh my!
Thank you so very much.  That, in part, is what I am planning on doing. 

Re: Hrdware question

[David Christensen]

On 08/11/2018 08:19 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.


I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been a 
friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA ports are 
the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?


Thanks in advance.


On 08/11/2018 10:21 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I appreciate the responses. I have looked a the MB Manual and the BIOS
> in both the easy mode and the advanced mode. (incidentally, the BIOS
> is current)
>
> I have three dives on the platform:
>
>   *-cdrom
> description: DVD-RAM writer
> product: DVDRAM GH24NSB0
> vendor: HL-DT-ST
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/cdrom
> logical name: /dev/cdrw
> logical name: /dev/dvd
> logical name: /dev/dvdrw
> logical name: /dev/sr0
> version: LN00
> capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
> configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
>*-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: ST2000DM006-2DM1
> vendor: Seagate
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sda
> version: CC26
> serial: Z560Q2JW
> size: 1863GiB (2TB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=4096 signature=0bc7db76
>*-disk
> description: ATA Disk
> product: WDC WD5000AAKS-0
> vendor: Western Digital
> physical id: 0.0.0
> bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
> logical name: /dev/sdb
> version: 3B01
> serial: WD-WMASY0223768
> size: 465GiB (500GB)
> capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
> configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=512 signature=0003d403
>
> I installed the current Debian Version on the 2TB HD as it was new at
> the time.
>
> Unfortunately, the boot sequence on the EZ Mode screen is only shows
> the WD 500GB drive and the cdrom drive. I can only see the 2TB drive,
> upon which I installed grub, by hitting F8 and selecting the 1TB drive
> for booting.  Now the last time I installed a HD on the system I can't
> say as I paid any attention as to which connector each drive was
> plugged into.  Hence, the question that started this thread.
>
> As I am strictly a user of computers I am very hesitant to mess around
> with the hardware and the BIOS.
>
> let me finish his email by saying that I am most appreciative of the
> patience and consideration of most of the users of this list!

I will assume that you have one computer, an Internet gateway, and an 
Ethernet cable between them.



Hardware can be easy.  Get an anti-static wrist strap and take your 
time.  Read the users manual for the various components.  STFW and watch 
YouTube videos to learn more.



BIOS can be easy.  Load the defaults and only change those settings 
which you have a compelling reason.  Again, learn as required.



Linux, FOSS services and applications, and their myriad settings and 
interactions are all never-ending learning curves.



Looking at the motherboard users manual:

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/M5A97_R2.0/E7438_M5A97_R20_Manual_web_hi-res.pdf

Section 1.2.9, item 4, is titled "Serial ATA 6.0 Gb/s connectors (7-pin 
SATA6G 1~6)".  Unfortunately, the motherboard and connector diagram has 
been badly pixelated, but the SATA connectors appear to be labeled 
SATA6G_1 through SATA6G_6 (?).  Please confirm.



I recommend:

1.  Get a small, fast, high-quality SSD to use as the system drive. 
Connect it to motherboard port SATA6G_1.


2.  Connect the optical drive to SATA6G_2.

3.  Do a fresh install of Debian onto the SSD.  Partition manually, 
creating three primary partitions: /boot (1 GB), swap (1 GB), and root 
(10 GB).  Leave the remaining space unused.  This will give you a system 
image that can fit on a 16 GB USB flash drive, a 16 GB SDD, or a 25 GB 
Blu-ray disc.  The first allows you to carry your desktop in your 
pocket, using laptops and PC's as convenient.  The second gives you the 
best performance.  The third is for taking archival images.


4.  Connect the 500 GB HDD to SATA6G_3 and the 2 TB drive to SATA6G_4. 
Mount the HDD partitions and/or directories as desired.  Adjust owner 
and group identifiers as required.


5.  Use the system drive for the operating system, applications, and 
carefully-chosen data.  (I keep my e-mail and CVS working directories in 
my home directory on the system drive.)  Keep the rest of your data on 
the HDD's.



David

Re: Hrdware question

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 08/11/2018 03:17 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2018-08-11 11:19 (UTC-0400):


I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.
I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.
I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been a
friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA ports are
the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?

Recommended, but not necessary. After a BIOS reset, any HD or SSD plugged into
that port should be recognized as /dev/sda. Putting your preferred boot device
on it might be the easiest way to have an otherwise unrecognized device become
recognized, but you should be able to have it recognized as primary via advanced
BIOS setup regardless.

This answers my question.

Thanks for the information.

--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
Consultant
www.molecular-modeling.net
(614)312-7528 (c)
Skype: smolnar1

Re: Hrdware question

[Shea Alterio]

I have not gone thru OP's motherboard manual, but on my HP workstation, the
ports are numbered _0 thru _5 and if only one drive is plugged in total
then it will be /dev/sda. However if two or more are plugged in then the _0
is sda.

Re: Hrdware question

[Felix Miata]

Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2018-08-11 11:19 (UTC-0400):

> I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

> I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
> question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.

> I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been a 
> friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA ports are 
> the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?

Recommended, but not necessary. After a BIOS reset, any HD or SSD plugged into
that port should be recognized as /dev/sda. Putting your preferred boot device
on it might be the easiest way to have an otherwise unrecognized device become
recognized, but you should be able to have it recognized as primary via advanced
BIOS setup regardless.
-- 
"Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you
get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: Hrdware question

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 08/11/2018 12:22 PM, john doe wrote:

On 8/11/2018 5:19 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.


I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been 
a friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA 
ports are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?




I'm assuming that you have looked at the manuals Asus  MB are well 
documented)! :)


Going through the URL (1) without reading the "docs" the SATA internal 
ports are apparently "all the same" but you might want to be careful 
if you plan to use raid.


1)  https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A97_R20/specifications/

I appreciate the responses. I have looked a the MB Manual and the BIOS 
in both the easy mode and the advanced mode. (incidentally, the BIOS is 
current)


I have three dives on the platform:

 *-cdrom
   description: DVD-RAM writer
   product: DVDRAM GH24NSB0
   vendor: HL-DT-ST
   physical id: 0.0.0
   bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
   logical name: /dev/cdrom
   logical name: /dev/cdrw
   logical name: /dev/dvd
   logical name: /dev/dvdrw
   logical name: /dev/sr0
   version: LN00
   capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
   configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
  *-disk
   description: ATA Disk
   product: ST2000DM006-2DM1
   vendor: Seagate
   physical id: 0.0.0
   bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
   logical name: /dev/sda
   version: CC26
   serial: Z560Q2JW
   size: 1863GiB (2TB)
   capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
   configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512 
sectorsize=4096 signature=0bc7db76

  *-disk
   description: ATA Disk
   product: WDC WD5000AAKS-0
   vendor: Western Digital
   physical id: 0.0.0
   bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
   logical name: /dev/sdb
   version: 3B01
   serial: WD-WMASY0223768
   size: 465GiB (500GB)
   capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
   configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512 
sectorsize=512 signature=0003d403


I installed the current Debian Version on the 2TB HD as it was new at 
the time.


Unfortunately, the boot sequence on the EZ Mode screen is only shows the 
WD 500GB drive and the cdrom drive. I can only see the 2TB drive, upon 
which I installed grub, by hitting F8 and selecting the 1TB drive for 
booting.  Now the last time I installed a HD on the system I can't say 
as I paid any attention as to which connector each drive was plugged 
into.  Hence, the question that started this thread.


As I am strictly a user of computers I am very hesitant to mess around 
with the hardware and the BIOS.


let me finish his email by saying that I am most appreciative of the 
patience and consideration of most of the users of this list!


--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
Consultant
www.molecular-modeling.net
(614)312-7528 (c)
Skype: smolnar1

Re: Hrdware question

[john doe]

On 8/11/2018 5:19 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.

I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a 
question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.


I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been a 
friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA ports are 
the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?




I'm assuming that you have looked at the manuals Asus  MB are well 
documented)! :)


Going through the URL (1) without reading the "docs" the SATA internal 
ports are apparently "all the same" but you might want to be careful if 
you plan to use raid.


1)  https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A97_R20/specifications/

--
John Doe

Re: Hrdware question

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 11 August 2018 11:19:19 Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

> I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.
>
> I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a
> question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.
>
> I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been a
> friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA ports
> are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?
>
Or _0 if it exists. Check dmesg to see whats the first one found.

> Thanks in advance.



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Hrdware question

[tomas]

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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:19:19AM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> I am running Debian Stretch on my 64bit Linux platform.
> 
> I am planning on installing a 500B SSD as the boot HD and have a
> question about the SATA connectors on the ASUS M5A97 R2.0 MB.
> 
> I have what I thought was a simple question, but Google has not been
> a friend to me.  What I found via that route was that the 6 SATA
> ports are the same.  Should the boot drive be plugged into SATA8G_1?

I don't know about your board, but usually you can set the boot
priority order in the BIOS. Probably you can use any of the SATA
ports.

Cheers
- -- tomás
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