Re: Oldworld PPC install
On January 10, 2004 12:35 pm, Micha Feigin wrote: As far as I managed to find out there is no way to install an independent boot loader (will be happy to know otherwise). That sucks if it's true. I'd rather wanted to get rid of MacOS so that I've have more disk available. I'd also like to hear of alternative boot loaders if they exist. On the plus side, through playing with the installer, I've discovered that the system seems to be entirely installed on the scsi disk. This leaves me without a 6GB IDE disk that I can install Debian on ... good enough. The system (MacOS) still seems to work fine with the IDE disk disconnected so I'm pretty confident that I can install to /dev/hda without mucking up MacOS. Still I'll have to thoroughly read up on my booting options. -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oldworld PPC install
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 10:20:20AM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: I've recently come into possession of a Power Macintosh G3 in beige case. I understand this to be oldworld mac. It has a 6GB IDE disk, a 4.3 GB SCSI disk and 320 MB RAM. stable/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/images-1.44/boot-floppy-hfs.img was booted however after about 20 seconds the penguin in the middle of the screen gets covered by a red X and the floppy is no longer being read. I then tried the BootX installer (?) from stable/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/BootX_1.2.2.sit and was able to boot into the installer from MacOS (8.5). I have 10 years+ of Linux experience and 6+ years Debian experience but I am confused and scared when it comes to this MAC :-( I have no idea how to partition the disk, if I wipe out MacOS will I have any way of booting into the installer again? Now I am unsure how to proceed. This is actually more appropriate for the powerpc list, but to answer your question, no. If you remove the existing Mac OS on the older systems you will have no way of booting the system. The BootX boot loader hooks into the existing MacOS boot process. Additionally your kernels are actually stored on the file system of the existing MacOS install. I too found my first oldworld Mac installation to be a bit confusing. -- Jamin W. Collins Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oldworld PPC install
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 10:20:20AM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: Hi, I've recently come into possession of a Power Macintosh G3 in beige case. I understand this to be oldworld mac. It has a 6GB IDE disk, a 4.3 GB SCSI disk and 320 MB RAM. I installed one of those some time ago. Was a bit of a headache the first time. (There was no scsi disk in there though). Its actually somewhat of a middle world, its not old world and not new world. I don't remember what install disk I used though (the kernel is pmac, processor type for custom kernel (6xx/7xx/74xx/8260), CUDA based mac in the device drivers. As far as I managed to find out there is no way to install an independent boot loader (will be happy to know otherwise). You will have to keep BootX around in order to startup linux afterwords form the drive. I kept a 500M partition for mac os 8 behind but only 311M are used (could probably trim it down farther if I knew anything about mac os). To install new kernels I just drop them in System Folder/Linux Kernels/ I think there are a few variations though on the beige G3 so it may be a bit different. stable/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/images-1.44/boot-floppy-hfs.img was booted however after about 20 seconds the penguin in the middle of the screen gets covered by a red X and the floppy is no longer being read. I then tried the BootX installer (?) from stable/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/BootX_1.2.2.sit and was able to boot into the installer from MacOS (8.5). I have 10 years+ of Linux experience and 6+ years Debian experience but I am confused and scared when it comes to this MAC :-( I have no idea how to partition the disk, if I wipe out MacOS will I have any way of booting into the installer again? Now I am unsure how to proceed. Is d-i for oldworld ppc ready yet, should I be looking at d-i rather than the woody installer? Certainly from a hardware detection point of view I prefer the idea of using d-i. I'm not finding the woody install manual too enlightening at the moment but maybe it's the late hour. Any advice appreciated. -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Oldworld PPC install
On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 10:20:20AM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: Hi, Forgot, also try the debian-ppc mail group, most of the power mac expertise is lurking around there. I've recently come into possession of a Power Macintosh G3 in beige case. I understand this to be oldworld mac. It has a 6GB IDE disk, a 4.3 GB SCSI disk and 320 MB RAM. stable/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/images-1.44/boot-floppy-hfs.img was booted however after about 20 seconds the penguin in the middle of the screen gets covered by a red X and the floppy is no longer being read. I then tried the BootX installer (?) from stable/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/BootX_1.2.2.sit and was able to boot into the installer from MacOS (8.5). I have 10 years+ of Linux experience and 6+ years Debian experience but I am confused and scared when it comes to this MAC :-( I have no idea how to partition the disk, if I wipe out MacOS will I have any way of booting into the installer again? Now I am unsure how to proceed. Is d-i for oldworld ppc ready yet, should I be looking at d-i rather than the woody installer? Certainly from a hardware detection point of view I prefer the idea of using d-i. I'm not finding the woody install manual too enlightening at the moment but maybe it's the late hour. Any advice appreciated. -- Fraser Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
