Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Which Linux distribution???
This is James from S.u.S.E.. Thanks to Tom Schaefer for the good rundown. [...] I have found a great use for every distribution I have encountered and they're all good. ANY of the Linux distributions makes an excellent choice. (see http://www.linux.org check the distributions page) Right, each person has their preference. One day we'll have a customer who will consider a feature awesome and the next day someone will call it crap depending on his needs and preferences. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :) [...] get over it and support your distributor by becoming a subscriber. Keep these people in business. Linux is an emerging market and we need to support all of the distributors as best we can. Stay with a distributor who is providing the kind of support that works for you. Thanks, we definitely need that. Whenever I describe what we're doing to people in more 'traditional' business sectors, they ask me how the heck we survive by selling a product for $50 a pop that one can freely distribute to as many people as they want. Luckily through the support of the great Linux community we have been successful and that makes us able to keep improving our product and expanding the role of Linux in the world. Also, I think we Linux providers are doing a good job at following a coop-etition model. Sure we have healthy competition, but we are trying to keep the #1 goal in mind--chip away at the M$ hegemony. I think of it sort of like a political party. In a party, people will debate and argue like crazy to make sure that the best ideas/features come to the surface, but they have to always rally together at election time and rally around the candidate. For us, we should have that same healthy debate, but we can't let that distract us from the bigger goal. So, with that said, I encourage you to debate like mad, but let's use it to keep getting better and better rather than splitting us apart into factions that avoid each other. The last thing we need in the Linux community is a big pissing contest about distributions. At current prices, you can afford to try ALL of them and still beat Microsloth! Yep! There is no contest between MS and Linux. As Linus stated some time a go, the goal is .. 'World Domination, Fast' (not exact quote). I've assimilated ^H^H^HDebianized 32 machines in 2 weeks. I intend to put The Penguin in all the machines I can. There is no competition. We need stickers. A lot. btw. Why doesn't SuSe use dpkg/deb? It's superior to anything I've seen. Just had to ask ;-) --j -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which Linux distribution???
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The KDE project is starting to make some configuration programs.. I haven't used all of these programs, but the ones I've used are really good. sysv init editor user editor (w/ quota options) kdm configuration filesystem analyser + mount/unmount (intergraded with desktop) ppp (never used it, but it may have a configuration interface) full KDE configuration (kcontrol) bind configuration xvidtune replacement joystick setup lazer jet printing utility printer quene monitor pgp configuration tool .. and RedHat has it's own configurator, and then there is linuxconf, and GnoME probably wants to write one, etc etc. Hopefully everybody will realize that it's silly, and help out with COAS. See http://www.caldera.com/coas/ and ftp://ftp.coas.org/pub/ Mike. -- Miquel van Smoorenburg | The dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac lay in his bed [EMAIL PROTECTED] | awake all night wondering if there is a doG -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which Linux distribution???
On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, John Spence wrote: One interesting point: I've noticed that it is very common for people to move to Debian after using other distributions. I would make a guess and claim that there aren't too many people who migrate from Debian to another dist after using Debian for at least a couple of months. How true. I agree 100% with that statement. But could it be possible that Debian will support some sort of GUI admin. tool? just like Redhat's control panel. maybe someone could port this thing to Debian. This GUI admin tool has: 1. Printer Configurator.(easy to add printers locally, remote or using smb.) 2. Network Configurator.(adding virtual hosts and/or dialup to an ISP.) 3. Package Management. (sorta like a graphical dselect.) 4. Apache Configurator. (add virtual web hostings, etc.) 5. File System Configurator. (mount/unmounts filesystems and NFS.) 6. Runlevel Editor. (Edit the runlevels of the system.) 7. User group configurator. (Add,delete or lock users/groups.) 8. Time Machine. (Change the Time or Date Grahically.) Hell, it's so easy to dialup to an ISP using this thing, we could then elimanate maybe 20% of the topic here in debian-user mailing list about how to connect to an ISP. :) I think, that's one strength of Redhat compared to Debian. Webmin and Linuxconf has the same idea. Maybe we could tinker with it and start from there. Any Ideas? regards, == == Andre M. Varon Lasaltech Incorporated == == Technical Head Fax-Tel: (034)435-0836 == = == ==== == E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] == WebPage : www.lasaltech.com/andre.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which Linux distribution???
What package is the Millenium II support under? SVGA? Paul Yes. The hamm (unstable) distribution of xbase+xserver-vga (Debian) has already the Millenium II option. At\'e breve === Pedro Quaresma de Almeida Departamento de Matem\'atica Faculdade de Ci\^encias e Tecnologia Universidade de Coimbra P-3000 COIMBRA, PORTUGAL e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] url: http://www.mat.uc.pt/~pedro/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which Linux distribution???
I'm pretty sure it's GPL'd. Thanks a lot. maybe you could package it and put it in the contrib or whatever. If it's GPL'd, it can go in main. Not sure what it'll take to get it working under Debian, though. I'm assuming your a Debian Developer? Yep. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | |PGP Public Key: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/index.html#pgpkey| -- | So don't beg, and don't plead. | | You can't have the heart you make bleed. | |-- The Beautiful South, Love is... | -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which Linux distribution???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Spence) writes: One interesting point: I've noticed that it is very common for people to move to Debian after using other distributions. I would make a guess and claim that there aren't too many people who migrate from Debian to another dist after using Debian for at least a couple of months. You are absolutely true. My first Linux was SLS back in 1993. After a period of 2.5 years of not using Linux due to limited hard disc space I started with the SuSE distribution. Some month later I tried Red Hat 4.2 and Debian 1.2 and finally stuck with Debian. It was the only system that had both the advantages of both a good package system and a fine-control on configuring the packages. For example, compare the SuSE tool Yast which configure ALL the package with a huge /etc/rc.config file and the package-related /usr/sbin/packageconfig idea found in Debian. Torsten -- I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere. Fortune Cookie PGP Public key available -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which Linux distribution???
The KDE project is starting to make some configuration programs.. I haven't used all of these programs, but the ones I've used are really good. sysv init editor user editor (w/ quota options) kdm configuration filesystem analyser + mount/unmount (intergraded with desktop) ppp (never used it, but it may have a configuration interface) full KDE configuration (kcontrol) bind configuration xvidtune replacement joystick setup lazer jet printing utility printer quene monitor pgp configuration tool ..of course KDE is still using QT... --- Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED], finger for public PGP key On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, A. M. Varon wrote: On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, John Spence wrote: One interesting point: I've noticed that it is very common for people to move to Debian after using other distributions. I would make a guess and claim that there aren't too many people who migrate from Debian to another dist after using Debian for at least a couple of months. How true. I agree 100% with that statement. But could it be possible that Debian will support some sort of GUI admin. tool? just like Redhat's control panel. maybe someone could port this thing to Debian. This GUI admin tool has: 1. Printer Configurator.(easy to add printers locally, remote or using smb.) 2. Network Configurator.(adding virtual hosts and/or dialup to an ISP.) 3. Package Management. (sorta like a graphical dselect.) 4. Apache Configurator. (add virtual web hostings, etc.) 5. File System Configurator. (mount/unmounts filesystems and NFS.) 6. Runlevel Editor. (Edit the runlevels of the system.) 7. User group configurator. (Add,delete or lock users/groups.) 8. Time Machine. (Change the Time or Date Grahically.) Hell, it's so easy to dialup to an ISP using this thing, we could then elimanate maybe 20% of the topic here in debian-user mailing list about how to connect to an ISP. :) I think, that's one strength of Redhat compared to Debian. Webmin and Linuxconf has the same idea. Maybe we could tinker with it and start from there. Any Ideas? regards, == == Andre M. Varon Lasaltech Incorporated == == Technical Head Fax-Tel: (034)435-0836 == = == ==== == E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] == WebPage : www.lasaltech.com/andre.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which Linux distribution???
Lal Dissanayake Jnr wrote: Hi all, Could you guys suggest which Linux distribution I should install on my system. Ive been using UNIX with X11 for quite a while now, so Im looking for the best, not something for newbies. Since you are asking on a Debian list, no one is going to point you to RH, Slackware, or anything else.. :) Debian is the *best*. Also, which X windows server would go best with a Millenium 2 card? I'm not sure which server, if any(not counting the commercial ones) supports the Millenium2. I have no direct experience with it. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Great successes are built on taking your negatives and turning them around. -- Sumner Redstone ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which Linux distribution???
Tim Sailer wrote: Lal Dissanayake Jnr wrote: Could you guys suggest which Linux distribution I should install on my system. Ive been using UNIX with X11 for quite a while now, so Im looking for the best, not something for newbies. Since you are asking on a Debian list, no one is going to point you to RH, Slackware, or anything else.. :) Debian is the *best*. But he asked on the Debian, Red Hat and SUSE lists! Please! Let's not all start a cross-mailing-list flame war about which is the `best' distribution! That's the last thing we all need. -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maurice-Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada 418-775-0852 - FAX 418-775-0546 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which Linux distribution???
On Fri, Feb 06, 1998 at 04:34:52AM +1100, Lal Dissanayake Jnr wrote: Could you guys suggest which Linux distribution I should install on my system. Ive been using UNIX with X11 for quite a while now, so Im looking for the best, not something for newbies. If you aren't a newbie then you'd already have a good idea of what the best would be. If you are a newbie then the question is irrelevant. Just get a Linux, any Linux and learn it. You won't find too much that you can't unlearn later on. I use Debian of course (other list addresses snipped). I moved to Debian after using RH and Slackware. I'm glad I made the move. One interesting point: I've noticed that it is very common for people to move to Debian after using other distributions. I would make a guess and claim that there aren't too many people who migrate from Debian to another dist after using Debian for at least a couple of months. -- Thank God, thank GNU, thank GDebian. John Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lynx.net.au/~jspence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which Linux distribution???
Debian Linux, of course, is the best distribution :). But I really do believe that or I wouldn't be using it. To determine whether your hardware is supported or not you should consult the HOWTOs. A HOWTO index is located at http://www.linux.org/help/howto.html. Look through there until you see the Hardware Compatibility HOWTO. Coincidentally I'm resarching this issue myself for a RD networking lab I'm building at work that will use PCs/Debian as hosts. As far as I know, I don't think there is anything on your list of hardware that will give you any trouble. I don't think your video card is supported by the current release of XFree86 (for X windows), but it is supported (pretty well to all reports) by the S.u.S.E. project -- visit http://www.suse.com. Of course any problems/questions you encounter along the way will be answered promptly by this list's membership. Another great reason to choose Debian. Good luck! __ Reply Separator _ Subject: Which Linux distribution??? Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at mime Date:2/5/98 9:34 AM Hi all, Could you guys suggest which Linux distribution I should install on my system. Ive been using UNIX with X11 for quite a while now, so Im looking for the best, not something for newbies. Also, which X windows server would go best with a Millenium 2 card? my system is as follows, Pentium 233MMX ASUS TX97-E Smart Mainboard 64MB 168pin SDRAM 4.3GB Quantum ST HD 24X CDROM Millenium II with 4MB Viewsonic 17PS (supporting 1600x1280) Sound Blaster AWE 64bit US Robotics 56K x2 Sportster external Epson 600C printer thanks a lot Lal D. *** Lal Dissanayake Jnr EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . RFC-822-headers: Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.hac.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #26245) id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for stephen a witt@mime.mail.hac.com; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON by mail.hac.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #26245) id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for stephen a witt@mime.mail.hac.com; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw-es05.hac.com by mail.hac.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #26245) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for stephen a witt@mime.mail.hac.com; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian.novare.net ([205.229.104.5]) by fw-es05.hac.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA29783 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:46:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10166 invoked by uid 38); Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:48:24 + Received: (qmail 10124 invoked from network); Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:48:18 + Received: from oznet07.ozemail.com.au (203.2.192.122) by debian.novare.net with SMTP; Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:48:18 + Received: from lalcd (slmel20p16.ozemail.com.au [203.108.206.32]) by oznet07.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA28482; Fri, 06 Feb 1998 04:48:14 +1100 (EST) Resent-date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:48:24 + Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 04:34:52 +1100 Resent-from: debian-user@lists.debian.org From: Lal Dissanayake Jnr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Which Linux distribution??? Resent-sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-cc: Resent-message-id: LJw5-.A.eeC.ntf20@debian Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Precedence: list X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/25922 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Re: Which Linux distribution???
What package is the Millenium II support under? SVGA? Paul On 5 Feb 1998, Pedro Quaresma de Almeida wrote: Lal Dissanayake Jnr wrote: Also, which X windows server would go best with a Millenium 2 card? The last version of XFree86 supports the Millenium II card! If you choose Debian you must install the libc6 system. I have this card with a Debian Box and they work nicely. See the following urls i)xf86-matrox http://www.bf.rmit.edu.au/~ajv/xf86-matrox.html ii) Information for Matrox Millennium/Mystique Users http://www.xfree86.org/3.3.1/MGA.html -- At\'e breve === Pedro Quaresma de Almeida Departamento de Matem\'atica Faculdade de Ci\^encias e Tecnologia Universidade de Coimbra P-3000 COIMBRA, PORTUGAL e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] url: http://www.mat.uc.pt/~pedro/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Which Linux distribution???
Hi! This is James from S.u.S.E.. Thanks to Tom Schaefer for the good rundown. [...] I have found a great use for every distribution I have encountered and they're all good. ANY of the Linux distributions makes an excellent choice. (see http://www.linux.org check the distributions page) Right, each person has their preference. One day we'll have a customer who will consider a feature awesome and the next day someone will call it crap depending on his needs and preferences. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :) [...] get over it and support your distributor by becoming a subscriber. Keep these people in business. Linux is an emerging market and we need to support all of the distributors as best we can. Stay with a distributor who is providing the kind of support that works for you. Thanks, we definitely need that. Whenever I describe what we're doing to people in more 'traditional' business sectors, they ask me how the heck we survive by selling a product for $50 a pop that one can freely distribute to as many people as they want. Luckily through the support of the great Linux community we have been successful and that makes us able to keep improving our product and expanding the role of Linux in the world. Also, I think we Linux providers are doing a good job at following a coop-etition model. Sure we have healthy competition, but we are trying to keep the #1 goal in mind--chip away at the M$ hegemony. I think of it sort of like a political party. In a party, people will debate and argue like crazy to make sure that the best ideas/features come to the surface, but they have to always rally together at election time and rally around the candidate. For us, we should have that same healthy debate, but we can't let that distract us from the bigger goal. So, with that said, I encourage you to debate like mad, but let's use it to keep getting better and better rather than splitting us apart into factions that avoid each other. The last thing we need in the Linux community is a big pissing contest about distributions. At current prices, you can afford to try ALL of them and still beat Microsloth! Yep! Cheers James Gray --- S.u.S.E., LLC - German-Engineered Linux 458 Santa Clara Avenue Oakland, CA 94610 USA +1-510-835-7873 FAX +1-510-835-7875 http://www.suse.com Our mailing lists are functional! suse-announce-e - Announcements from S.u.S.E. LLC suse-linux-e - Discussions about S.u.S.E. Linux suse-adabas - ADABAS D RDBMS w/ S.u.S.E. Linux (bilingual) To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'subscribe listname' in the body. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
