Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

2018-01-29 Thread Boyan Penkov
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 6:18 PM, Richard Hector wrote: > On 30/01/18 03:35, Boyan Penkov wrote: >> Does checkrestart (apt-get install checkrestart) prompt for application >> restarts on library updates, or only for daemons? > > apt-get install debian-goodies, actually. Yes, I think so. But for > j

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

2018-01-29 Thread Richard Hector
On 30/01/18 03:35, Boyan Penkov wrote: > Does checkrestart (apt-get install checkrestart) prompt for application > restarts on library updates, or only for daemons? apt-get install debian-goodies, actually. Yes, I think so. But for jessie onwards, I find needrestart (package: needrestart) much nic

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

2018-01-29 Thread Michael Lange
On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, January 29, 2018 03:35:58 AM Michael Fothergill wrote: > > On 29 January 2018 at 07:52, Dextin Jerafmel > > wrote: > > > I tried to search for available Kernel images but there isn't any > > > newer Kernel than 4.9.0.5 > >

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

2018-01-29 Thread David Wright
On Mon 29 Jan 2018 at 13:43:20 (+), Joe wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500 > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy. I assume that > > most of those don't take effect until I restart the application. For > > instance, a Firefox up

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (side question)

2018-01-29 Thread Neo
Sorry for the hijack, but has this also to do with this newly enabled default kernel options? grep STACKPROTECTOR /boot/config-3.16.0-5-amd64 CONFIG_HAVE_CC_STACKPROTECTOR=y CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR=y # CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE is not set CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR=y # CONFIG_CC_STACK

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

2018-01-29 Thread David Wright
On Mon 29 Jan 2018 at 09:17:14 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 01/29/2018 08:52 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 09:37:54AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > >>On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

2018-01-29 Thread Richard Owlett
On 01/29/2018 08:52 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 09:37:54AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] I've seen comments such as that before. But I've not seen a

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

2018-01-29 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 09:37:54AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > > I've seen comments such as that before. > > But I've not seen anything about "What is KPTI or how to use i

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

2018-01-29 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:29:33AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 01/29/2018 08:15 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > > [snip] > > > > The dangerous effects of Meltdown are avoided in Linux by use of the > > KPTI feature which is now in Debian's supported kernels. > > > > I've seen comments such as that

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

2018-01-29 Thread Boyan Penkov
Does checkrestart (apt-get install checkrestart) prompt for application restarts on library updates, or only for daemons? On Jan 29, 2018 08:43, "Joe" wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500 > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy. I assum

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect

2018-01-29 Thread Richard Owlett
On 01/29/2018 08:15 AM, Andy Smith wrote: [snip] The dangerous effects of Meltdown are avoided in Linux by use of the KPTI feature which is now in Debian's supported kernels. I've seen comments such as that before. But I've not seen anything about "What is KPTI or how to use it".

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

2018-01-29 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:18:35AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > iiuc, the fixes for Spectre and Meltdown have been "backported" > (probably not the right word) to Wheezy (which is my "everyday" > machine). If I'm wrong about that, somebody can let me know. The confusion here is that "S

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

2018-01-29 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 08:18:35AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy. I assume that most of > those don't take effect until I restart the application. For instance, a > Firefox upgrade does not take effect until I shutdown Firefox and rest

Re: comment and new question--when do upgrades take effect (was: Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown)

2018-01-29 Thread Joe
On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:18:35 -0500 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > I regularly download "security" upgrades for Wheezy. I assume that > most of those don't take effect until I restart the application. For > instance, a Firefox upgrade does not take effect until I shutdown > Firefox and restart i