Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Ric Moore]

On 11/15/18 10:24 PM, Tom D. wrote:

Thank you, Sir. I understand now.


Not quite, you're still top posting. It is frowned upon greatly in these 
parts.



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Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 16.11.2018 10:48, Greg Marks wrote:
> As of October 2017, I found that running the command "nvidia-detect"
> followed by "install nvidia-driver" (as recommended by the first
> command) conflicted with the lightdm display manager and prevented
> graphical login. Does that problem remain? Sincerely, Greg Marks 
My guess, you've falsely blamed lightdm. My current setup is Debian 9
'stretch' with Xfce 4.12 (xfwm4 + lightdm).
System was gradually updated to next stable release each time, with
different prop.nvidia driver versions installed from stable repo, Xfce,
X.org and everything was working without extra tinkering. Of course,
this is on PC, without any weird hardware configurations, like dual
graphics (Optimus on laptop), or multi-screen setups.
I also have an old netbook with nvidia ION, and it is also working fine
with Xfce and legacy nvidia driver utilizing Optimus technology.

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Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Greg Marks]

As of October 2017, I found that running the command "nvidia-detect"
followed by "install nvidia-driver" (as recommended by the first
command) conflicted with the lightdm display manager and prevented
graphical login.  Does that problem remain?

Sincerely,
Greg Marks

> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:41:58 -0500
> From: Carl Fink 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?
> 
> Note: top-posting fixed, some quotes trimmed.
> 
> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM Alexander V. Makartsev
> > mailto:avbe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I don't understand what are you talking about. There is no need to
> > do things you describe on Debian manually.
> > Installation of "nvidia-driver" package is very straight forward
> > and it's dependencies takes care of nouveau blacklisting for you,
> > among the other things.
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/15/2018 08:13 PM, Tom D. wrote:
> > > Thank you for your kind reply. I downloaded the driver from
> > > www.nvidia.com <http://www.nvidia.com>for NVIDIA geforce GTX 678
> > > video card driver.
> > > 
> > > It was a shell script with sh extension.
> > > 
> > > So until I blacklist nouveau completely from the Debian OS,
> > > Nvidia driver won't install. As a result, I had to blacklist
> > > nouveau completely and do other things.
> > > 
> > > One of the reasons for installing that driver is Cuda support on
> > > Debian.
> > > 
> > > So I was just saying if there were an easier method to choose
> > > between NVIDIA's driver from their website or nvidia-package and
> > > disable nouveau accordingly that would be great? Because Linux is
> > > about giving people choice alternative options. Isn't it?
> > > 
> > > Sincerely
> > > Adrian D'Costa
> > 
> Tom (or Adrian?): what Alexander is saying is that if you ignore the
> direct download from the nVIDIA site, and just
> 
>     apt install nvidia-driver
> 
> it will download a copy of the proprietary driver and install it for
> you, while simultaneously removing nouveau. That's the Debian Way to
> install the commercial driver.
> 
> -- 
> Carl Fink  c...@finknetwork.com
> Thinking and logic and stuff at Reasonably Literate
> http://reasonablyliterate.com


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Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Tom D.]

Thank you, Sir. I understand now.

I am Adrian. So please feel free to call me by that name.

Again thank you for clarification.

Sincerely
Adrian D'Costa

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 9:42 PM Carl Fink  wrote:

> Note: top-posting fixed, some quotes trimmed.
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM Alexander V. Makartsev 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't understand what are you talking about. There is no need to do
>> things you describe on Debian manually.
>> Installation of "nvidia-driver" package is very straight forward and it's
>> dependencies takes care of nouveau blacklisting for you, among the other
>> things.
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/2018 08:13 PM, Tom D. wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for your kind reply. I downloaded the driver from
>> www.nvidia.com for NVIDIA geforce GTX 678 video card driver.
>>
>> It was a shell script with sh extension.
>>
>> So until I blacklist nouveau completely from the Debian OS, Nvidia driver
>> won't install. As a result, I had to blacklist nouveau completely and do
>> other things.
>>
>> One of the reasons for installing that driver is Cuda support on Debian.
>>
>> So I was just saying if there were an easier method to choose between
>> NVIDIA's driver from their website or nvidia-package and disable nouveau
>> accordingly that would be great? Because Linux is about giving people
>> choice alternative options. Isn't it?
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Adrian D'Costa
>>
>>
>> Tom (or Adrian?): what Alexander is saying is that if you ignore the
> direct download from the nVIDIA site, and just
>
> apt install nvidia-driver
>
> it will download a copy of the proprietary driver and install it for
> you, while simultaneously removing nouveau. That's the Debian Way to
> install the commercial driver.
>
> --
> Carl Fink  c...@finknetwork.com
> Thinking and logic and stuff at Reasonably 
> Literatehttp://reasonablyliterate.com
>
>

Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Carl Fink]

Note: top-posting fixed, some quotes trimmed.

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM Alexander V. Makartsev 
mailto:avbe...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I don't understand what are you talking about. There is no need to
do things you describe on Debian manually.
Installation of "nvidia-driver" package is very straight forward
and it's dependencies takes care of nouveau blacklisting for you,
among the other things.


On 11/15/2018 08:13 PM, Tom D. wrote:

Thank you for your kind reply. I downloaded the driver from
www.nvidia.com for NVIDIA geforce GTX 678
video card driver.

It was a shell script with sh extension.

So until I blacklist nouveau completely from the Debian OS,
Nvidia driver won't install. As a result, I had to blacklist
nouveau completely and do other things.

One of the reasons for installing that driver is Cuda support on
Debian.

So I was just saying if there were an easier method to choose
between NVIDIA's driver from their website or nvidia-package and
disable nouveau accordingly that would be great? Because Linux is
about giving people choice alternative options. Isn't it?

Sincerely
Adrian D'Costa



Tom (or Adrian?): what Alexander is saying is that if you ignore the
direct download from the nVIDIA site, and just

    apt install nvidia-driver

it will download a copy of the proprietary driver and install it for
you, while simultaneously removing nouveau. That's the Debian Way to
install the commercial driver.

--
Carl Fink  c...@finknetwork.com
Thinking and logic and stuff at Reasonably Literate
http://reasonablyliterate.com

Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Tom D.]

Thank you for your kind reply. I downloaded the driver from www.nvidia.com
for NVIDIA geforce GTX 678 video card driver.

It was a shell script with sh extension.

So until I blacklist nouveau completely from the Debian OS, Nvidia driver
won't install. As a result, I had to blacklist nouveau completely and do
other things.

One of the reasons for installing that driver is Cuda support on Debian.

So I was just saying if there were an easier method to choose between
NVIDIA's driver from their website or nvidia-package and disable nouveau
accordingly that would be great? Because Linux is about giving people
choice alternative options. Isn't it?

Sincerely
Adrian D'Costa

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM Alexander V. Makartsev 
wrote:

> On 15.11.2018 23:50, Adrian D'Costa wrote:
>
> Sorry. I don't want to put anybody down. I love Debian Gnu Linux.
>
> But why isn't there an easier way to disable nouveau-module?
>
> Why do we have to open the black-list file with the text editor like nano
> and blacklist it and sometimes still it isn't enough?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 1:07 PM Dan Ritter  wrote:
>
>> Adrian D'Costa wrote:
>> > I can disable nouveau-module and do a workaround by recompiling the
>> kernel
>> > and copying the nvidia.ko module to /lib/module and do modprobe nvidia.
>> And
>> > I am using proprietary NVIDIA driver for Linux on Debian flavours. I
>> found
>> > this works for my machine.
>> >
>> >
>> > Why can't both of them coexist with each other?
>>
>> Because they both want to control the same hardware. How would
>> you see them co-existing?
>>
>> -dsr-
>>
> I don't understand what are you talking about. There is no need to do
> things you describe on Debian manually.
>
> Installation of "nvidia-driver" package is very straight forward and it's
> dependencies takes care of nouveau blacklisting for you, among the other
> things.
>
> --
> With kindest regards, Alexander.
>
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Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 15.11.2018 23:50, Adrian D'Costa wrote:
> Sorry. I don't want to put anybody down. I love Debian Gnu Linux.
>
> But why isn't there an easier way to disable nouveau-module?
>
> Why do we have to open the black-list file with the text editor like
> nano and blacklist it and sometimes still it isn't enough?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 1:07 PM Dan Ritter  > wrote:
>
> Adrian D'Costa wrote:
> > I can disable nouveau-module and do a workaround by recompiling
> the kernel
> > and copying the nvidia.ko module to /lib/module and do modprobe
> nvidia. And
> > I am using proprietary NVIDIA driver for Linux on Debian
> flavours. I found
> > this works for my machine.
> >
> >
> > Why can't both of them coexist with each other?
>
> Because they both want to control the same hardware. How would
> you see them co-existing?
>
> -dsr-
>
I don't understand what are you talking about. There is no need to do
things you describe on Debian manually.

Installation of "nvidia-driver" package is very straight forward and
it's dependencies takes care of nouveau blacklisting for you, among the
other things.

-- 
With kindest regards, Alexander.

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Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Samuel Henrique]

That's something that I always wondered about but never got the time to
debug,but:

If you have Nvidia and wants to use their driver on Ubuntu, it's pretty
straightforward and a no-brainer using their (Ubuntu's) driver installation
tool.
If you're using Debian, you very very likely will end up with a system who
does not start any DE and is greeted but the terminal.


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Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Adrian D'Costa]

Sorry. I don't want to put anybody down. I love Debian Gnu Linux.

But why isn't there an easier way to disable nouveau-module?

Why do we have to open the black-list file with the text editor like nano
and blacklist it and sometimes still it isn't enough?



On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 1:07 PM Dan Ritter  wrote:

> Adrian D'Costa wrote:
> > I can disable nouveau-module and do a workaround by recompiling the
> kernel
> > and copying the nvidia.ko module to /lib/module and do modprobe nvidia.
> And
> > I am using proprietary NVIDIA driver for Linux on Debian flavours. I
> found
> > this works for my machine.
> >
> >
> > Why can't both of them coexist with each other?
>
> Because they both want to control the same hardware. How would
> you see them co-existing?
>
> -dsr-
>

Re: Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Dan Ritter]

Adrian D'Costa wrote: 
> I can disable nouveau-module and do a workaround by recompiling the kernel
> and copying the nvidia.ko module to /lib/module and do modprobe nvidia. And
> I am using proprietary NVIDIA driver for Linux on Debian flavours. I found
> this works for my machine.
> 
> 
> Why can't both of them coexist with each other?

Because they both want to control the same hardware. How would
you see them co-existing?

-dsr-

Why has nouveau vs. NVIDIA problem not been addressed?

[Adrian D'Costa]

I can disable nouveau-module and do a workaround by recompiling the kernel
and copying the nvidia.ko module to /lib/module and do modprobe nvidia. And
I am using proprietary NVIDIA driver for Linux on Debian flavours. I found
this works for my machine.


Why can't both of them coexist with each other?