Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 10:19:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:02:11 -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 10:41:24AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: As I mentioned previously, I don't think point 3. here is the compromise I would

Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Frank Küster
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am asking Frederik to accept this amendment, failing which, I am also seeking formal seconds for this. I would prefer that Frederik accept it, but in case he doesn't, I second this proposal: , | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our

Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:45:14AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am asking Frederik to accept this amendment, failing which, I am also seeking formal seconds for this. I would prefer that Frederik accept it, but in case he doesn't, I second this

Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 10:19:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: , | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software | community (Social Contract #4); | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel | firmware issue; however,

Re: Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-27 Thread BALLABIO GERARDO
Martin Schulze wrote: Technically, if Aj is deposed, steve will be as well. And as I said, if Aj is retiring from dunc-tank, then Steve's position has to be clarified in a second stage IMHO yes. Nothing has been done against Steve's position as DPL-Assistant, especially because

Re: State of the GR's: Part 2 - Position statement on the DPL and Dunc-Tank

2006-09-27 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 03:07:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, As I currently understand it, the position statement GR regarding the project leader and Dunc-Tank has adequate numbers of seconds; and received enough seconds on the 21st of September. This is an

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-27 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 04:02:11PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: As I mentioned previously, I don't think point 3. here is the compromise I would like to see. Without further conditions is so broad that it seems to even *require* us to include firmware in main that lacks any sort of

Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:06:50AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:21:21AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Two questions here. First, this means that this proposal needs seconds, right ? Or can Frederik just incorporate it into his proposal ? Frederik does have the

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:36:37AM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: Hello, On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 04:02:11PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: As I mentioned previously, I don't think point 3. here is the compromise I would like to see. Without further conditions is so broad that it seems to

Re: Splitting out Choice #1 from vote_004

2006-09-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 26 septembre 2006 à 17:46 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : I know I'm nitpicking, but isn't this whole thread about nitpicking? ;) I don't know about you, bit for me this thread is about getting the right thing done, and getting the general resolutions resolved. I'm

Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:39:57PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:45:14AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am asking Frederik to accept this amendment, failing which, I am also

Re: Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread BALLABIO GERARDO
Frederik Schueler wrote: this means we actually have to review all licenses before the release, Indeed, I have been under the impression that *every* maintainer must *always* check that *all* the files they are packaging are properly licensed and distributable by Debian. I must have been wrong?

Re: Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread BALLABIO GERARDO
Manoj Srivastava wrote: | as long as we are legally allowed to do so, and the formware is | distributed under a DFSG free license. This needs to be made clearer. I assume that your intention is to say GPL'd (or otherwise DFSG-free licensed) firmware without source is allowed, but

Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le mer 27 septembre 2006 14:16, BALLABIO GERARDO a écrit : Manoj Srivastava wrote: | as long as we are legally allowed to do so, and the formware | is distributed under a DFSG free license. This needs to be made clearer. I assume that your intention is to say GPL'd (or otherwise

Re: Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread BALLABIO GERARDO
Pierre Habouzit wrote: It seems that your MUA does use neither In-Reply-To: nor References: headers. That breaks threads and makes a lot of noise. Please change your MUA (or MTA? as it seems that's because your mail goes through Exchange), or stop posting here. That makes your mails

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:36:37AM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: Hello, On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 04:02:11PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: As I mentioned previously, I don't think point 3. here is the compromise I would like to see. Without further conditions is so broad that it seems to

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-27 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2006-09-27, Kurt Roeckx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:36:37AM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel firmware issue; however, it is not yet finally sorted out; So, what progress has been made? All firmwarez

[AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I was not aware that Frederik's proposal was for the Debian project to give carte blanche to the kernel team to distribute whatever the upstream kernel has, even if it is a major regression in the freedom from the kernel released in Sarge. Indeed, not agreeing to only

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-27 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: , | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software | community (Social Contract #4); | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel | firmware issue; however, it is

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-27 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: , | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software | community (Social Contract #4); | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel | firmware issue; however, it is not yet

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-27 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: , | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software | community (Social Contract #4); | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel | firmware issue; however, it is not yet

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:53:58PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: , | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software | community (Social Contract #4); | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel | firmware issue; however, it is

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-27 Thread Raul Miller
On 9/26/06, Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 09:02:19PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: I don't understand how this proposal answers the question. One answer implied by your proposal: Dunc-tank is grounds for removing Debian's leader, that means it is a debian