Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hello DPL, I'd like to point you to the following mail by Raphaël on -vote. It is also available at [1]. 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/12/msg00038.html Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] (11/12/2008): Manoj, I still object to voting all at once and I'm convinced that you will

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Julien BLACHE
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'll echo Raphael's feelings about that ballot; it feels strange and voting on that one is going to be a mess. There are definitely some options that should be split into another vote. [ ] Choice 2: Allow Lenny to release with proprietary firmware

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Thu Dec 11 10:55, Julien BLACHE wrote: Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'll echo Raphael's feelings about that ballot; it feels strange and voting on that one is going to be a mess. There are definitely some options that should be split into another vote. On the other

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:50:20AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Honestly, at this point, I would really wish that you retired as secretary because there have been too many conflicts between you and various DD while your secretarial work shouldn't be the source of any conflict. I honestly

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 11 décembre 2008 à 15:38 +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho a écrit : More strongly, I believe Manoj has repeatedly shown the sort of moral courage and sound judgment that the Secretary's job requires, and I believe it would be a grave loss if he were to step down. It would be a shame if

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2008-12-11 kello 08:50 +0100, Raphael Hertzog kirjoitti: Manoj, I still object to voting all at once and I'm convinced that you will manage to hurt the project by doing that. I, on the other hand, think Manoj has explained well why he is doing things the way he is doing with this vote, and

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Josselin Mouette wrote: What this position requires is the minimal level of morality to not use it to favor an opinion or another. And this is something Manoj has been repeatedly doing; first in the GFDL GR, next in the etch firmwares GR, now in the lenny one. I do not trust anymore the

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:42:20PM +, Matthew Johnson wrote: However, I think retitling 5 to: Assume firmware blobs are in source form unless proven otherwise is worthwhile as is retitling 1 to: Delay Lenny release until all DFSG issues are resolved. I wouldn't say this is the secretary

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 06:38:34PM +, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:42:20PM +, Matthew Johnson wrote: However, I think retitling 5 to: Assume firmware blobs are in source form unless proven otherwise is worthwhile as is retitling 1 to: Delay Lenny release until

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Dec 11 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 11 décembre 2008 à 15:38 +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho a écrit : More strongly, I believe Manoj has repeatedly shown the sort of moral courage and sound judgment that the Secretary's job requires, and I believe it would be a grave loss

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Dec 11 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Manoj, I still object to voting all at once and I'm convinced that you will manage to hurt the project by doing that. Honestly, at this point, I would really wish that you retired as secretary because there have been too many conflicts between you

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

2008-12-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Dec 11 2008, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:42:20PM +, Matthew Johnson wrote: However, I think retitling 5 to: Assume firmware blobs are in source form unless proven otherwise is worthwhile as is retitling 1 to: Delay Lenny release until all DFSG issues are