So, I think you made a mistake, a very serious one, and when asked about it,
your explanation is completely unsatisfactory. How do we solve this?
Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they
think, and hold another vote. Do you have any other idea in mind?
How
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:32:10AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
So, I think you made a mistake, a very serious one, and when asked about it,
your explanation is completely unsatisfactory. How do we solve this?
Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:32:10AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Do you have any other idea in mind?
Btw, Joerg, that goes for you too. If you have something constructive to say,
this would be a good time.
--
Robert Millan
The DRM opt-in fallacy: Your data belongs to us. We will decide when
Do you have any other idea in mind?
Btw, Joerg, that goes for you too. If you have something constructive to say,
this would be a good time.
How about you going elsewhere until Lenny is released, then coming back
as soon as that happens and start working on what is left to fix then?
(Not
On Sun Jan 11 10:56, Robert Millan wrote:
On the other hand, it appears that the Secretary, the DPL and the Release Team
don't like that we made an exception ONLY for firmware. As per your reply I
will assume you're also in that list.
I will note there was a simple majority in favour of
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 08:22:58AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
You're the Secretary. You're supposed to give answers, not speculation. If
the ballot was ambigous, or confusing, it is YOUR responsibility.
It has to be said that at least I am taking YOU personally responsable
for a lot of why
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:03:45AM +, Matthew Johnson wrote:
On Sun Jan 11 10:56, Robert Millan wrote:
On the other hand, it appears that the Secretary, the DPL and the Release
Team
don't like that we made an exception ONLY for firmware. As per your reply I
will assume you're also
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:06:21PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 08:22:58AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
You're the Secretary. You're supposed to give answers, not speculation. If
the ballot was ambigous, or confusing, it is YOUR responsibility.
It has to be said
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:35:22AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Do you have any other idea in mind?
Btw, Joerg, that goes for you too. If you have something constructive to
say,
this would be a good time.
How about you going elsewhere until Lenny is released, then coming back
as
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:14:08PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:03:45AM +, Matthew Johnson wrote:
On Sun Jan 11 10:56, Robert Millan wrote:
On the other hand, it appears that the Secretary, the DPL and the Release
Team
don't like that we made an exception
* Robert Millan [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:22:58 +0100]:
Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they
think, and hold another vote.
Yes, I'm realizing myself there is not going to be another way. :-(
Proposal: hand Robert Millan a nice cup of STFU.
--
Adeodato
This one time, at band camp, Adeodato Simó said:
* Robert Millan [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:22:58 +0100]:
Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they
think, and hold another vote.
Yes, I'm realizing myself there is not going to be another way. :-(
Adeodato Simó d...@net.com.org.es writes:
* Robert Millan [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:22:58 +0100]:
Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers
what they think, and hold another vote.
Yes, I'm realizing myself there is not going to be another way. :-(
Proposal: hand
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes:
Though there seem to be a number of people vocally wishing Robert
would go away or the like, I have yet to see any substantive
response to the questions he's raised in this thread.
My apologies: the current acting Secretary has, indeed, been
Robert Millan r...@aybabtu.com writes:
I think you mean both option 3 and 4 ranked above FD. I read that as
I don't like these options, but if there's no choice, I prefer them over
the ambiguity of not making any explicit decision.
If one doesn't like an option, one ranks FD above it.
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 02:22:44PM +, Ben Finney wrote:
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes:
Though there seem to be a number of people vocally wishing Robert
would go away or the like, I have yet to see any substantive
response to the questions he's raised in this thread.
Proposal: hand Robert Millan a nice cup of STFU.
Seconded.
+1, seconded too.
Michael
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ICQ: 179140304, AIM/Yahoo: michaelmeskes,
- Robert Millan wrote:
The majority of developers voted to make an exception for firmware in
Lenny. They did NOT vote to empower the Release Team to make exceptions
as they see fit. Results of GR 2008/003 are crystal clear about this.
Unfortunately, nothing can be crystal clear about
Ean Schuessler e...@brainfood.com writes:
Ironically, Bdale *is* warping the results of the vote and applying
an editorial voice to the interpretation of the results.
Umm, why shouldn't Bdale have his opinion about the results? Nowhere
does it say that the (acting) Secretary is the authority to
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 03:58:03PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 02:22:44PM +, Ben Finney wrote:
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes:
Though there seem to be a number of people vocally wishing Robert
would go away or the like, I have yet to see any
- Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Umm, why shouldn't Bdale have his opinion about the results? Nowhere
does it say that the (acting) Secretary is the authority to
interprete GR results (that's not interpreting the Constitution).
The people who do the interpretation are obviously the release team,
This one time, at band camp, Steve McIntyre said:
If things go much further we'll end up with enough seconds to force a
vote to hand Robert Millan a nice cup of STFU. I'm hoping that's not
what anybody actually wants, but I can also understand why some people
might be feeling that way.
Dato
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes:
Though there seem to be a number of people vocally wishing Robert
would go away or the like, I have yet to see any substantive response
to the questions he's raised in this thread.
I made a substantive response to these points weeks ago. He just
* Stephen Gran [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:17:33 +]:
This one time, at band camp, Steve McIntyre said:
If things go much further we'll end up with enough seconds to force a
vote to hand Robert Millan a nice cup of STFU. I'm hoping that's not
what anybody actually wants, but I can also
On Sun January 11 2009 08:17:52 Ean Schuessler wrote:
Ironically, Bdale *is* warping the results of the vote and applying an
editorial voice to the interpretation of the results. I say ironically
because Bdale's actions go far beyond anything Manoj did with regard to
imposing his desires or
- Russ Allbery wrote:
If he wants to stop the release, he needs to propose a GR to override the
delegate decision, and it has to pass. Neither of those things have
happened. Until they do, this is all pointless noise.
Some people cannot just leave well enough alone. Please do not ask
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 08:22 +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 05:48:33PM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote:
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 01:04 +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
What you describe sounds like option 3, or maybe option 4. What is your
opinion on the fact that option 2 defeats
Ean Schuessler e...@brainfood.com writes:
- Russ Allbery wrote:
If he wants to stop the release, he needs to propose a GR to override
the delegate decision, and it has to pass. Neither of those things have
happened. Until they do, this is all pointless noise.
Some people cannot just
i...@davenant.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson) writes:
In fact I'm strongly opposed to all
of these binary firmware blobs and like nonsense. It's just that I
recognise that the way I would have to fight that battle is by helping
to do the work to get them out of Linux rather than postponing
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:18:43PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:06:21PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 08:22:58AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
You're the Secretary. You're supposed to give answers, not speculation.
If
the ballot was
Robert Millan r...@aybabtu.com wrote:
4- Bugs which are trivial to fix, such as #459705 (just remove a text file),
#483217 (only affects optional functionality that could be removed
according to the maintainer)
Of course it could be removed, and it's technically trivial. The
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 08:22:58AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
You're the Secretary. You're supposed to give answers, not speculation. If
the ballot was ambigous, or confusing, it is YOUR responsibility.
Bdale,
After sleeping over this, I really think I've been unnecesarily harsh, and
at
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