Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-14 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Mon Mar 02 00:23, Matthew Johnson wrote: The votes around the Lenny release revealed some disagreements around the constitution, DFSG, supermajority requirements and what people think is 'obvious'. What I would like to do is clarify some of these before they come up again. To avoid

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-14 Thread Luk Claes
Matthew Johnson wrote: On Mon Mar 02 00:23, Matthew Johnson wrote: The votes around the Lenny release revealed some disagreements around the constitution, DFSG, supermajority requirements and what people think is 'obvious'. What I would like to do is clarify some of these before they come up

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-14 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Sat Mar 14 12:14, Luk Claes wrote: I think the reason there were no comments is just because you tried to cover the whole field, I would rather take one point at a time. Sure, please do follow up with separate emails if you prefer. I also believe that the secretary should have the power

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-14 Thread Luk Claes
Matthew Johnson wrote: On Sat Mar 14 12:14, Luk Claes wrote: I think the reason there were no comments is just because you tried to cover the whole field, I would rather take one point at a time. Sure, please do follow up with separate emails if you prefer. Hmm, I thought you were going to

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-14 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Sat Mar 14 12:51, Luk Claes wrote: Hmm, I thought the reason we delayed it till after the release is so we could discuss things and only when we have a consensus to change or seem to have clear options, to get to a vote. As I saw your name mentioned next to the constitutional issues, I

Re: Question for all candidates about http://wiki.debian.org/DiscussionsAfterLenny

2009-03-14 Thread Luk Claes
Charles Plessy wrote: Dear Steve, Luk and Stefano, Hi Charles thank you very much for the time and efforts you are proposing to dedicate to the Project ! Our Consitution suggests a stronger leadership of the DPL the discussions: 9. Lead discussions amongst Developers. The

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-14 Thread Matthew Johnson
As Luk says, tackling these one at a time is probably best. So, first up is (bullets numbered so that I can refer to them): On Mon Mar 02 00:23, Matthew Johnson wrote: Overriding vs Amending vs 'Position statement' When a GR has an option which contradicts one of the foundation documents,

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org writes: As Luk says, tackling these one at a time is probably best. So, first up is (bullets numbered so that I can refer to them): Positions (in no particular order): 1 The supermajority is rubbish and we should drop it entirely, so it doesn't matter

Re: Overriding vs Amending vs 'Position statement' [Was: Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny]

2009-03-14 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Sat Mar 14 14:23, Kurt Roeckx wrote: I'm currently inclined to interprete it so that anything that seems to modify an interpretation will require an explicit change in some document. But I'm not sure it's in my power to refuse an option that doesn't do so. So that would be option 2

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-14 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Sat Mar 14 12:07, Russ Allbery wrote: A GR which explicitly states that it does not override a Foundation Document but instead offers a project interpretation of that Foundation Document does not modify the document and therefore does not require a 3:1 majority. This is true

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org writes: On Sat Mar 14 12:07, Russ Allbery wrote: A GR which explicitly states that it does not override a Foundation Document but instead offers a project interpretation of that Foundation Document does not modify the document and therefore does

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-14 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:07:03PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org writes: As Luk says, tackling these one at a time is probably best. So, first up is (bullets numbered so that I can refer to them): Positions (in no particular order): 1 The supermajority

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes: On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:07:03PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: 6 Anything which overrides a Foundation Document modifies it to contain that expecific exception and must say so in the proposal before the vote proceeds. Such overrides require a 3:1