Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:04:36PM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:36:24PM +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote: On 2009-03-21 19:20 (+0100), Josselin Mouette wrote: If you need to understand the rationale, please read the thread on debian-devel with Sponsorship

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:11:58PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:43:16PM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: What do you think about such a proposal? Why are you asking the DPL candidates what they think of this

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:25:11AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:11:58PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:43:16PM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: What do you think about such a proposal?

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: I expressly refrained to answer your mail because it targetted the DPL candidate but IMO it's one those false good ideas until you make it a reality. I'm all for a team of many people improving the base packages, so find those people and start

Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi, Thanks for bringing this GR. I'd like to propose an amendment: AMENDMENT START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In article 87vdq3gcf6@vorlon.ganneff.de (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: [...] PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: as per Constitution 4.1.3, I am proposing the following General Resolution. The original discussion isn't even half over and you come running to us screaming GR. Way to abuse our constitution and waste everyone's time. Not appreciated. Not at

Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11697 March 1977, Neil McGovern wrote: AMENDMENT START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:39:13PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: In article 87vdq3gcf6@vorlon.ganneff.de (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: [...] PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important

Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:35:32PM -0300, Martín Ferrari wrote: On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 15:49 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project.

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
[second try, this with mutt instead of tin] In article 87vdq3gcf6@vorlon.ganneff.de (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: [...] PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 14:55 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit : The original discussion isn't even half over and you come running to us screaming GR. Way to abuse our constitution and waste everyone's time. Not appreciated. Not at all. And should anyone appreciate the fact that FTP

Re: All candidates: Membership procedures

2009-03-22 Thread Luk Claes
Lars Wirzenius wrote: la, 2009-03-21 kello 01:42 +, Steve McIntyre kirjoitti: P.S. Damn, just read Zack's answer and we don't seem to differ very much. Oh well... :-) Dear Zack McIntyre, Steve Claes, and Luk Zacchiroli, What's your opinion on membership procedures? Last year there

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 04:27:22PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: [second try, this with mutt instead of tin] In article 87vdq3gcf6@vorlon.ganneff.de (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: [...] PROPOSAL START

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Sam Kuper
2009/3/22 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org And should anyone appreciate the fact that FTP masters are wasting valuable developer time and putting pressure on people to the point they resign from maintaining critical packages? If that pressure stems from a concern that without proper license

Re: All candidates: Membership procedures

2009-03-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2009-03-22 kello 17:01 +0100, Luk Claes kirjoitti: I think we first have to think about what a member, if we need different types of access/members and what they would be before thinking about the process(es) to become a member. I do think for instance that contributers who spend a lot of

Re: All candidates: Membership procedures

2009-03-22 Thread Luk Claes
Lars Wirzenius wrote: su, 2009-03-22 kello 17:01 +0100, Luk Claes kirjoitti: I think we first have to think about what a member, if we need different types of access/members and what they would be before thinking about the process(es) to become a member. I do think for instance that

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 16:09 +, Sam Kuper a écrit : If that pressure stems from a concern that without proper license information, Debian users/developers/etc could face legal action, then I, for one, as a Debian user, appreciate it. Hint #1: the complete list of copyright holders has

Baptiste Mireux est absent(e).

2009-03-22 Thread baptiste . mireux
Je serai absent(e) à partir du 16/03/2009 de retour le 23/03/2009. Pour toute demande de VRou de coefficient veuillez faire suivre vos demandes à l'une des personnes suivantes: - Virginie Duforest - Féguy Farouil - Sylvain Lemonnier - Gilberte Melan Pour les autres demandes, j'y répondrais

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil Williams
PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too small. Therefore the Debian project

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:56:20PM +, Neil Williams wrote: PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements

[dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:47:57PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Hi, I have to disapprove on a proposal whose purpose is essentially to disfranchise developers from their right related to general resolutions. General resolutions are a much more democratic and mature processes to handle conflicts

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:53:02PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: The first GR was passed in June 2003 and there were 804 developers. The last GR was passed in November 2008 and there were 1018 developers. Actually, to be fair, the first vote was 1999, with 357 developers. Neil -- vorlon We

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
Bill Allombert bill.allomb...@math.u-bordeaux1.fr writes: I have to disapprove on a proposal whose purpose is essentially to disfranchise developers from their right related to general resolutions. This proposed change disenfranchises no-one; no-one's rights are deprived. It does not

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:59:34AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: That's a fair question, but AUIU, it is not up to the proposer, having already proposed, to decide when the vote gets called. It's up to the proposer or any of the seconders to do so. Neil -- pixie hermanr_: I never studied german

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-22 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:09:43 + Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: 2009/3/22 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org And should anyone appreciate the fact that FTP masters are wasting valuable developer time and putting pressure on people to the point they resign from maintaining

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/03/09 at 23:53 +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:47:57PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Hi, I have to disapprove on a proposal whose purpose is essentially to disfranchise developers from their right related to general resolutions. General resolutions are a much

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:28:56AM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: Well, because it is in line with the questions which they have been asked and its both a good chance to see weither they stand on a similar point as I do and to see weither anyone is interested in the idea at all.