Re: Q for all candidates: license and copyright requirements

2010-03-23 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 01:01:40PM -0700, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : If we want to change our foundation documents, and remove the awoval to the concept of being 100% free, or to say that Debian, and thus the parts of Debian covered by the DFSG, are just the binary bits, then we

Re: Q for all candidates: license and copyright requirements

2010-03-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Charles, On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:03:00AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: The second option aims at clarifying what is the source of the Debian operating system. It is controversial. I would like to say, for the record, that I believe you've lost track of what lives in Debian if you claim

Re: Q for all candidates: license and copyright requirements

2010-03-23 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 03/23/2010 11:03 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: The second option aims at clarifying what is the source of the Debian operating system. It is controversial. To some of us, the Debian operating system is at least as much about the packaged source as it is about the packaged binaries. If you

Question to all (other) candidates

2010-03-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
So, since part of the reason that I joined the race was to make sure it wouldn't get too boring, I was hoping there'd be a bit more life on this list. Since there isn't, allow me to ask a few questions myself. Oh, and before anyone asks: hey, I can vote too, and we have a Condorcet voting system.

DPL consultations with the community [was: Re: Question to all (other) candidates]

2010-03-23 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
Hi Wouter-- You probably didn't mean to have this to come out this way, but: On 03/23/2010 01:49 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Charles: In your platform, in the Program section, you mention four ideas that could reasonable be described as being about the things that, respectively, the DAM and

Re: Q for all candidates: license and copyright requirements

2010-03-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: The second option aims at clarifying what is the source of the Debian operating system. It is controversial. Despite it does not change our fundation documents, I think that a GR would be needed to make sure that there is a general agreement. For

Re: Q for all candidates: license and copyright requirements

2010-03-23 Thread Joerg Jaspert
The second option aims at clarifying what is the source of the Debian operating system. It is controversial. It is a lot but not controversial, actually its pretty clear. For that statement alone *I* hope NOTA will have a big win over you, sorry. It shows you are way off with actual project.

Getting more people involved in core teams.

2010-03-23 Thread Kurt Roeckx
I think that one of issues we have is that there is alot of work to be done by some teams, some of them even regularaly mail that they need more members, but they seem to have a hard time keeping the numbers up, burning the other team members out. What are your ideas to make sure those teams keep

Re: Q for all candidates: license and copyright requirements

2010-03-23 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:04:01PM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor a écrit : Our users includes not only an individual with a single computer who never sees the source, but also derivative distributions, private organizations, system administrators, etc, all of whom may need to modify the source

Question for the other candidates: supermajority.

2010-03-23 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:03:32PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : For whatever it's worth, I believe the second option changes the foundation documents and would require a 3:1 majority. The person who's canonical on that is the Secretary. Dear Russ, Stefano, Wouter and Margarita. I would

Re: Q for all candidates: license and copyright requirements

2010-03-23 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
Very interesting thread. == In short == tarballs must be redistributable, unpacked debian source package should be DFSG-free, debian binary package must be DFSG-free. == Long == 1. Upstream tarball is not debian source Cause you cannot build/run/understand anything if you just have a bunch of

Re: Q for all candidates: license and copyright requirements

2010-03-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Dmitrijs Ledkovs dmitrij.led...@ubuntu.com writes: 2. If tarball is not redistributable It belongs in non-free, or must be repackaged to become redistributable I think people are missing the degree of complexity in this. For instance, files included the source tarball that aren't used by the

Re: Question to all (other) candidates

2010-03-23 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 06:49:51PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : Charles: In your platform, in the Program section, you mention four ideas that could reasonable be described as being about the things that, respectively, the DAM and NM frontdesk, the ftp-masters, and the Release