Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

* Robert Millan [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:22:58 +0100]: Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they think, and hold another vote. Yes, I'm realizing myself there is not going to be another way. :-( Proposal: hand Robert Millan a nice cup of STFU. -- Adeodato

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

to forget things may not always be as obvious on the other side of the screen. Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Listening to: David Bowie - John, I'm

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

. (On the other hand, I think seconding is different, and that it should be okay to second stuff even just because I think it's good for it to be on the ballot.) -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

in discussing this any further, so please don't take my lack of answer to your next message as lack of disagreement. -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

exists, and that then, even Stephen Fry (let alone Richard Stallman) would endorse you. http://www.gnewsense.org/ -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

the discussion period? He did so for the *other* vote, but I haven't seen a thread where he did for this one. (I may have just missed it.) http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/11/msg00046.html, no? -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer

Re: No acknowledgement received for vote on Lenny release GR

an ack either: http://master.debian.org/~srivasta/gr_lenny/index.html (At least I haven't either.) -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Listening to: Julio

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

not at end of term, if there's disagreement between them? Thanks, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Listening to: Rebekah del Rio - Llorando

The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

votes for each orthogonal issue, eg. choice #6 and, if there's enough interest, #4. The discontent of the day, -- Adeodato Simó -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBElGP6gRBACvP6WM7imDVViHnnZiRx2q5jzG/R3IKVWgRFU7GChVP3VoPzqm hT44iw2shexiro5gAKDnjNlL

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

* Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:10:34 +0200]: But your interpretation is certainly possible. Of course, that just means it's up to the Secretary to rule which (if either) is correct :) Brilliant. -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

for increasing the mess we already have. I will personally ignore this additional vote which suffers from the same problem as the official one, namely that it is unacceptably colored by the person who is managing it. Peace to you too. -- Adeodato Simó dato

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

* Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:32:40 +0200]: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 05:37:33PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- f2276370-dfd7-45db-92d5-2da0c179c569 [ ] Choice 1: Delay Lenny until known firmware issues

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

yourself in the past, and it'd be bad to bring to others what you so much loathed. Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Listening to: Vainica Doble - Quiero

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

* Adeodato Simó [Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:35:44 +0100]: I believe developers, and particularly those holding key positions, should not ignore other developers even if their concerns don't come ^^ Er, should make an effort not to; I think the difference is important. in with a wrapping

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

* Adeodato Simó [Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:35:44 +0100]: Well, you'll have to understand that I'm not going to stop doing something which I don't believe to be wrong just because a fellow developer asks me to. I retract this paragraph. It was written in the first pass of the reply, before I my sat

Re: On the firmwares/Lenny vote

true? I thought our vote methods were robust against stuff like that. If knowledgeable people could comment, I'd be very much interested in a confirmation of Julien's statement, ideally with some kind of explanation. Thanks in advance, -- Adeodato Simó dato

Re: On the firmwares/Lenny vote

, of course. What I'm interested is in the practical differences and implications between 312 and 7123456, eg., which is what Julien was arguing about. -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org

Re: On the firmwares/Lenny vote

brackets, but I forgot, I'm sorry. -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Listening to: Eric Clapton - River of tears -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

, with 1 below 5, and later both reach quorum, would my ranking of 1 below 5 be taken into account in the 1-vs-5 run, just as if I had ranked them both above FD, or not? -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato

Re: Proposed wording for the SC modification

on a new wording before the vote instead of letting someone else decide on it. Can the SC be modified without a second vote? -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org

Re: Proposed wording for the SC modification

* Manoj Srivastava [Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:32:33 -0600]: On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote: * Josselin Mouette [Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:38:43 +0100]: Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit : This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded. The Secretary

Re: Proposed wording for the SC modification

interesting because we're not voting it in a separate ballot to begin with. I don't understand how you're reckoning a second vote could be needed if it passes 3:1 but does not win, and don't accept to run a separate vote first, as Peter requested. -- Adeodato Simó dato

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

Lenny not to be blocked by firmware issues even if the Release teams changes their mind and remove the lenny-ignore tags? Thanks, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org The pure

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

.html -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org The problem I have with making an intelligent statement is that some people then think that it's not an isolated occurrance

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

, this one should not be voted together with the rest, since it's an orthogonal issue. This not /exclusively/ a solution for the problem for Lenny. We can ask the proposer of this option what he thinks, if you don't agree it should be split out. -- Adeodato Simó dato

For our own good: splitting the vote. Thoughts?

]: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/11/msg00086.html -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org If you want the holes in your knowledge showing up try teaching someone

Re: For our own good: splitting the vote. Thoughts?

* Adeodato Simó [Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:17:23 +0100]: I don't think we have ever had this vote, and it's about time that we do, *without bundling it with somebody else*. something -- Adeodato Simó

Re: Discussion period: GR: DFSG violations in Lenny

* Adeodato Simó [Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:31:59 +0100]: But no, you just carried on and ignored my concerns. Thank you, Robert. Let's be more a bit more constructive: you say you act out of alarm by seeing the release team take some decisions for the project. I claim that the Release Team

Re: Discussion period: GR: DFSG violations in Lenny

* Lars Wirzenius [Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:42:30 +0200]: ti, 2008-11-11 kello 16:39 +0100, Adeodato Simó kirjoitti: Have you thought for a second, though, that the project as a whole could not agree with you in not sharing that view? It is to determine the will of the project as a whole that we

Re: Discussion period: GR: DFSG violations in Lenny

mentioned and, if the answer is no, then have *this* vote. But no, you just carried on and ignored my concerns. Thank you, Robert. [1]: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/10/msg00288.html -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer

Re: Discussion period: GR: DFSG violations in Lenny

. -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Listening to: Madeleine Peyroux - Careless love -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Debian and opinions (was: Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software)

* Wouter Verhelst [Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:56:11 +0200]: during the discussion, Ross Burton suggested Obvious typo: Russ Allbery? -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org - Are you sure

Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008

hopefully won't post more to this thread, though I'd be curious to know if other people think the above is just fine to say on d-d-a, or just don't care at all, or else. Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer

Re: vote

* Nico Golde [Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:59:42 +0200]: manipulating Rght. -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Love in your heart wasn't put there to stay. Love isn't love 'til you

Re: Raphael Hertzog: When to commit into repositories of teams?

to not commit. #436093 for those following along at home. -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Poco después de la guerra civil, un brote de cólera se había llevado a mi madre. La enterramos

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

* Joerg Jaspert [Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:41:44 +0200]: Ok, they may hurt the secretary, Manoj will have a fun time listing all of us seconders. :) Nothing prevents him from just choosing the first 5 seconds, or 5 at random, TTBOMK. -- Adeodato Simó dato

Re: GR proposal - Restricted-media amendments to the DFSG

* Josselin Mouette [Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:04:35 +0200]: While documents using this license are considered free provided they don't use invariant sections, the DFSG don't contain the necessary modifications. Because none are needed. Amendment A would have been 3:1 otherwise. -- Adeodato Simó

Re: Call for votes for the Debian Project Leader Election 2006

somebody wants to try it. :P -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org When all is summed up, a man never speaks of himself without loss; his accusations of himself are always believed; his

Re: question for all candidates

* Raphael Hertzog [Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:06:01 +0100]: (even if I don't think that stockholm would do the best DPL). Is this a statement, or an hypothesis? If a statement, then I feel compelled to ask: who would? -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es

Re: GFDL GR: Amendment: no significant invariant sections in main

: sorry, I don't accept this modification into my proposed wording. Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Listening to: Pasión Vega

Re: GFDL GR: Amendment: invariant-less in main v2

the last paragraph in my mail: | I don't see much point in carrying details about the other two issues, | when they don't affect us at all. Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato

GFDL GR: Amendment: invariant-less in main v2

. ---8--- -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Ara que ets la meva dona, te la fotré fins a la melsa, bacona! -- Borja Álvaro a Miranda

Re: Minimum standard of decency, was: Amendment: GFDL is compatible with DFSG

/msg00073.html So long, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Listening to: Jacques Brel - La Fanette -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Amendment: GFDL is compatible with DFSG

Project (by means of its Developers doing so) choose to interpret the license in the clearly the 'make or' is not intended literal sense? I mean, this is sooo please waive me. Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer

Re: Amendment: GFDL is compatible with DFSG

that this (in a similar fashion to Manoj's mail) is the best option. The only problem I see is that Manoj's mail seems to want to attach a position statement to each option, and that can be divisive. I'm starting to see the benefits of a prior vote... -- Adeodato Simó

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

/msg00060.html Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. -- Josh Billings

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

a statement that some GFDL documents will remain in main, I don't think explicit wording is needed _in_ the SC, at all. Or so. -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Arguing

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

overrules debian-legal's assessment that certain two clauses of the GFDL are non-free, and thus needs 1:1 How this gets handled, that I don't know, but I can imagine. Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

these two issues as bugs/misfunctions in the wording of the license, but they're non-RC for us and hence are willing to waive them for main. -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org Guy

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

, but it's the way I feel it, and can't do anything about it.) -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org A lie can go round the world before the truth has got its boots

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

* Anthony Towns [Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:24:47 +1000]: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:55:43AM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: II. Transparent And Opaque Copies Section 3 (Copying in Quantity) of the GFDL states that it is not enough to just put a transparent copy of a document alongside

Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

-release@lists.debian.org:gfdl [2] http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html [3] http://wiki.debian.org/GFDLPositionStatement -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org

Re: GR Proposal: Declassification of -private

* Anthony Towns [Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:03:39 +1000]: Hi, On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 01:10:37PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: If, on the other hand (but this may be better the scope of another GR? I'm not sure, just mention if you think it is), this proposal is accompanied by a change

Re: GR Proposal: Declassification of -private

is discussed. Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó EM: dato (at) the-barrel.org | PK: DA6AE621 Russian roulette in bash: ((RANDOM%6)) || rm -rf ~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Vote for the Debian Project Leader Election 2005

, *including* the GPG signature block). I've been told on IRC that devotee currently has such a replay-guard mechanism. Perhaps Manoj can confirm, and comment a bit about the implemented safeguards? (Or point to the relevant explanation pages, of course.) -- Adeodato Simó EM: asp16 [ykwim

Re: Question for candidate Towns

attacked by someone who's trying to use the BTS reopen command to force a maintainer to do things against their better judgement. That's from the link above. -- Adeodato Simó EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | PK: DA6AE621 Truth is the most valuable thing we have, so let's economize