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> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:33:06AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
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> > > I will try to be a DPL who will care a bit less about the letter
> > > of the constitution or the letter of the social contract, than
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> > The GR is, you say, non-binding. So what is the point of going
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> >>> Are you saying the statement “this proposal conflicts with the
> >>> foundation documents” can be true for some people simultaneously
> >>
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> would go away or the like, I have yet to see any substantive
> response to the questions he's raised in this thread.
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> * Ben Finney [Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:17:28 +1100]:
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> > > You should not write options you are not going to rank first,
> > > because the people who do care about that option winning should
> > > get to decide what's the wording that
Adeodato Simó writes:
> * Ben Finney [Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:43:44 +1100]:
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> > Don Armstrong writes:
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> > > You should not be proposing or seconding an option that you
> > > don't plan on ranking first.
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Is that a fair phrasing of the assertion?
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> Le dimanche 23 novembre 2008 à 10:25 +1100, Ben Finney a écrit :
> > Personal attacks (to call my statements “lies” is to assert that
> > I'm knowingly stating falsehood) are not welcome.
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> This is not a persona
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> > Indeed, and I've no wish to impede anyone in efforts to fix bugs.
> > I'm arguing for interpretation of the social contract such that
> > DFSG violations a
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > You seem to have missed what I said: In order to have *anyone* fix
> > them, they need to be acknowledged as DFSG violations.
>
> Would you please stop
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You seem to have missed what I said: In order to have *anyone* fix
> them, they need to be acknowledged as DFSG violations. That's what
> is being discussed: whether certain freedoms are or are not DFSG
> violations (and therefore
"Sandro Tosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > "Sandro Tosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:34, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Sandro Tosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:34, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Jacob Hallén <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> Debian is not 100% free software, and it never has been.
> >
> > Indeed
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> Fortunately, in the case of programmatic works and DFSG §2, the Debian
> project has *already* voted on the interperatation and decided
> http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_004> that the requirement
> for source code applies to all
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> It appears what you don't understand is what the DFSG actually says,
> since you're playing word substitution games with the text.
An accusation that could easily be made from many contradictory
positions. The DFSG is not unambiguous in its wording, wh
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > Whether loaded by the kernel or present on the chip, we have
> > promised that works without source code will not be distributed in
> > Debian.
>
> &
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> > The Debian system we provide is usable. There may be devices which
> > are not yet operable with Debian,
>
> Which wireless card is supported by debian without any sourceless
> firmware,
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> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:15:10PM +0000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > That seems to be an argument for proposing a re-wording of the
> > DFSG, so that freedoms are defined without referring to that mess
> > of terms. I would
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > The SC speaks about software, and doesn't define it.
> >
> > The statement that Manoj
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> This gives no argument for why such bitstreams should be held to
> different standards of freedom for its recipients. The properties
> “not code that is run on the host CPU” is mentioned, but seems to
> be irrelevant to the argument.
>
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> On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 12:37:16PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > License texts *are* distributed by Debian, now, under terms that
> > are non-free. This behaviour doesn't match the Social Contract.
>
> Sure, they are techni
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> > [The status quo] doesn't address the concern that motivated this
> > discussion: that the license texts whic
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currently important pieces like Netscape and ssh.
You seem to suggest that the lack of *non-free* packages like Netscape
Communicator and SSH is what is keeping Debian from being the "freest
software distribution around". That is a patent contradiction, so
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