or second draft
General Resolutions and 3 propose themselves as a Project Leader
candidate in elections.
FWIW a suspended developer doesn't have such powers anyway.
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versus Aj versus d-i versus the DAMs, the
thread should cease immediately.
(And perhaps all parties involved should be executed. Starting with me
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On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:32:41PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
Well, i got suspended for a year, because i dared present myself as DPL,
No, that's simply not true
for a year, because i dared present myself as DPL,
No, that's simply not true.
You have delusions of grandeur.
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this year (as
he did last year), and that's all.
Feel free to send a Bits from Gustavo message to d-d-a if you like.
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On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 11:33:19AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:11:55PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 06:00:12PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 06:35:07PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Uh, what's this if not peer
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 09:15:17PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 07:12:31PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Then you don't see any conflict of interest between the arm buildd admin
and the ftp-master?
No, I don't. I don't see any conflict of interest in being a package
was not accurate I thought my intended
meaning was fairly clear.) Thanks Frank.
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On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 06:35:07PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Uh, what's this if not peer review?
It's not peer review when we discuss it later and none of us (including
you) have any power to do anything about it, except via
rejected,
but is the original problem being addressed?
Frankly I think ftp-master abused his dual roles (ftp-master and arm
buildd admin) in this incident; any one else's actions would have been
subject to peer review.
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On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 02:18:12PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 07:56:36AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
This is a two-way street though. Aurelien was trying to solve a problem
he perceived to exist with the arm port. His solution has been rejected,
but is the original
and generally used to enforce their own
opionions and mantaining very high the level of unuseful flaming.
The context doesn't make the above quote any more pleasant.
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, but produce broken binaries?
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of anything proposed by Aj!. Not helpful.
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On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 03:07:11PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
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To those who consider ROM-less hardware cheap and nasty I suggest the
opposite is true. I design hardware (FPGAs) professionally for expensive
communications
that to be distributed to meet the DFSG.
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modes!
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please explain why this amendment is necessary also?
The current clause #6 does not appear to prevent this restriction
either.
I asked this same question before the last GR and nobody replied,
despite claims that these exemptions were necessary.
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on the same topic; is the above quote not one of
the most condescending seen on a debian project list in quite some time?
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of the GFDL's requirements.
That Debian expects that simply providing the source alongside ...
does not appear to make this non-free. It might make be inconvenient for
us and/or require us to change the ftp-master scripts, but that doesn't
seem to affect its freeness.
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That Debian expects that simply providing the source alongside ...
does not appear to make this non-free. It might make be inconvenient
for us and/or require us to change the ftp-master scripts
software licenses like the the GPL or the BSD license.
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intention that you be able to
build the software, including the automatic relicensing? Isn't there an
implicit grant of permission?
There may be good examples of GFDL/GPL interaction problems, but the
above example is absurd, IMHO.
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want to modify the text to make it explicit (one way or the other other).
Declaring our interpretation doesn't mean modifying the text, and
doesn't need 3:1.
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also important but open to interpretation.
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is less generous than Aj's original proposal - the author
cannot veto for unreasonable reasons, only request anonymity. I think
it's right to clarify the situation for quotes, but a full veto as per
the original proposal is also desirable.
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-announce and the Debian Weekly News editors(!).
I'm not sure another vote for the cabal is newsworthy ;-)
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so sorry for that one, that was a really stupid mistake.
The good thing is that is received quite a bunch of interesting replies,
along with a few (well deserved) criticisms.
Again, sorry for beeing such an idiot :/
Does that mean you improved your vote also? ;-)
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worth spending ones time on such things!
Thanks for collating this information David.. helps with the decision!
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 10:26:36PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
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I should have noted that xfree86 is not up-to-date with upstream as
you indicate, and I'm sorry for the oversight.
That's a bit unfair. X.Org is a fork and so it's
-project/2004/01/msg00099.html
That's quite enough time wasted, anyway.
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that the ftp-master group as a
whole will accomplish its appointed tasks, which includes processing
NEW packages.
If there are insufficient ftp-master-hours to keep the backlog to a
reasonable limit then additional ftp-masters should be trained.
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Solved that one problem, but not the general problem.
I second Marcelo's request.
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regardless of the circumstances. This relates to the better quality
packaging you were talking about too. In the end I rearranged the
packaging so that the NEW package wasn't needed, though I might be
violating the letter of policy now. Just to avoid NEW processing delays
each time.
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On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 11:27:07PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
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The current vote will determine what the majority of voters think.
Hopefully that will be the end of it.
Not likely. The last vote determined what 3/4 of the voters thought
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 12:57:20AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
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That was because the voters were 20% of the developers, as you well
know. I'm also hoping that we've engaged enough of the developers that
we might get a representative vote
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:25:28AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
[You have quite neatly just demonstrated what argumentum ad hominem
actually is, though].
Do you have that phrase on a macro key yet?
Bored,
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at its finest. Are you not aware that you are the
proposer of the two most divisive GRs that Debian has ever had?
It is interesting that this does not occur on most lists. I think we
have a troll infestation.
We certainly do.
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, at the expense of all else.
Yes, some developers think that, as is their right. Would you please
allow others to have opinions that differ from your own?
The current vote will determine what the majority of voters think.
Hopefully that will be the end of it.
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, we resolve that all programs must meet the
DFSG, and all software must be legally distributable.
Are you deliberately using both software and programs, and
do you therefore mean different things by them? Could you please define
them?
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about the freedoms expected for everything on a Debian CD, as
well as the near universal agreement on debian-legal attest to the
clear meaning of the DFSG.
An impartial analysis would be more useful I think.
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Cheers
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sooner.
I think you should say which is not free, rather than which is not
free software, given the text of your new SC.
This is not a formal proposal for an amendment. I don't want
to be associated with your proposal.
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have now redefined software totally; it is no longer
either equivalent to or a strict superset of computer programs.
It is now defined as a set of any bits that some entity (person or
company) gave us on disk or via computer network. Storage in ROM chip is
not enough.
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the
proposer had indeed called for one.
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sooner.
I think you should say which is not free, rather than which is not
free software, given the text of your new SC.
This is not a formal proposal for an amendment. I don't want
to be associated with your proposal.
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To The Social Contract
(2004 vote 003) be immediately rescinded.
I second this amendment. It deserves to be an option on the ballet.
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To The Social Contract
(2004 vote 003) be immediately rescinded.
I second this amendment. It deserves to be an option on the ballet.
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 11:43:05AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:22:27 +1000, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Perhaps for our next GR, we can contemplate whether it's appropriate
that less than 20% of the developers is enough to change one of our
most
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 01:08:05PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 04:02:47PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
No, you need 46 people and only three quarters of them need agree.
That is less than 4% of our developer community.
(My mistake; each valid option must have
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:53:04AM -0400, Buddha Buck wrote:
Hamish Moffatt wrote:
[bad stuff]
I don't like Manoj's tone in this thread. It's harsh, accusatory, and
somewhat rude. It seems like he is reacting defensively, as if he feels
people are blaming him for the results they don't
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 11:43:05AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:22:27 +1000, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Perhaps for our next GR, we can contemplate whether it's appropriate
that less than 20% of the developers is enough to change one of our
most
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 01:28:28AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:02:47 +1000, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
That is bot, BTW, how quorum works. You would need at least 46
people to change the foundation documents, as long as they were of
one mind
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 01:08:05PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 04:02:47PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
No, you need 46 people and only three quarters of them need agree.
That is less than 4% of our developer community.
(My mistake; each valid option must have
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:53:04AM -0400, Buddha Buck wrote:
Hamish Moffatt wrote:
[bad stuff]
I don't like Manoj's tone in this thread. It's harsh, accusatory, and
somewhat rude. It seems like he is reacting defensively, as if he feels
people are blaming him for the results they don't
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:22:50AM +0100, Jochen Voss wrote:
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 12:31:15AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Usually it refers to changes that clarify the meaning without changing
that meaning. I'd be interested in hearing your definition, since you
seconded the GR.
Yes
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 10:34:55AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:31:15 +1000, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm stunned that this GR passed. I was surprised when the secretary
called for votes because the proposal wasn't anything close to ready
for voting
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:22:50AM +0100, Jochen Voss wrote:
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 12:31:15AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Usually it refers to changes that clarify the meaning without changing
that meaning. I'd be interested in hearing your definition, since you
seconded the GR.
Yes
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 10:34:55AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:31:15 +1000, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm stunned that this GR passed. I was surprised when the secretary
called for votes because the proposal wasn't anything close to ready
for voting
was surprised when the secretary
called for votes because the proposal wasn't anything close to ready for
voting.
The tally sheet makes interesting reading:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/gr_editorial_tally.txt
Draw your own conclusions.
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was surprised when the secretary
called for votes because the proposal wasn't anything close to ready for
voting.
The tally sheet makes interesting reading:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/gr_editorial_tally.txt
Draw your own conclusions.
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to be leaving those drivers in
until the project decides what to do about the whole problem. The kernel
source tree is huge and I can't see any sign that Herbert is aware of
particular problems but ignoring them.
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 04:31:49AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 01:21:33AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Raul Miller wrote:
* There are people in Debian.
Fine, there are a bunch of silly interpretations as well. The context
indicates
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 04:31:49AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 01:21:33AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
Raul Miller wrote:
* There are people in Debian.
Fine, there are a bunch of silly interpretations as well. The context
indicates
things;
it's a project, an OS, among others.
So Debian will remain 100% Free Software is not entirely clear,
given that Debian is a bunch of people in certain contexts.
Why not spell out the context?
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things;
it's a project, an OS, among others.
So Debian will remain 100% Free Software is not entirely clear,
given that Debian is a bunch of people in certain contexts.
Why not spell out the context?
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On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 05:18:42PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:50:17 +1100, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
In Australia we have a 'blackout' on electronic media advertising
for the three full days before an election.
Umm. The link below tells us
:-)
In Australia we have a 'blackout' on electronic media advertising for
the three full days before an election.
http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/what/faqs/elect_ad.htm
(Polling days are always Saturdays, and advertising is banned from
midnight on the previous Wednesday.)
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:-)
In Australia we have a 'blackout' on electronic media advertising for
the three full days before an election.
http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/what/faqs/elect_ad.htm
(Polling days are always Saturdays, and advertising is banned from
midnight on the previous Wednesday.)
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On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 11:49:55AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
they're wrong. Where if someone slips up and gets a little
overenthusiastic,
Err, you think that uploading a major new version of a major
package is a slip up?
It seems a bit more deliberate than that to me.
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On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 11:49:55AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
they're wrong. Where if someone slips up and gets a little
overenthusiastic,
Err, you think that uploading a major new version of a major
package is a slip up?
It seems a bit more deliberate than that to me.
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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 03:43:47PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:38:47PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
I suspect some of our users might not want to use packages from a
less trusted source. I would have concerns myself.
Of course, and this was indeed one the prime
? Gentoo?
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users who can't view PDFs in their own language without packages
like cmap-adobe-japan1, xpdf-japanese etc?
It's not like they can choose to use the free nv driver instead of the
closed source nvidia; TTBOMK there is no free solution at all.
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On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 03:43:47PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:38:47PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
I suspect some of our users might not want to use packages from a
less trusted source. I would have concerns myself.
Of course, and this was indeed one the prime
users who can't view PDFs in their own language without packages
like cmap-adobe-japan1, xpdf-japanese etc?
It's not like they can choose to use the free nv driver instead of the
closed source nvidia; TTBOMK there is no free solution at all.
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it's important to note that you have proposed the
possibility of adding non-free.org maintainers who are not debian.org
maintainers. I suspect some of our users might not want to use packages
from a less trusted source. I would have concerns myself.
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believe that we will have
non-free.org up at about the same time we drop non-free from the Debian
archive.
However the GR does not require that, so nobody can depend on it.
The answer to Gerfried's question is further discussion I believe.
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a big part of why
I don't want non-free removed from ftp.debian.org yet.
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for your
Pentium 4 or Athlon XP processor. But then you may think it's quite
reasonable to demand the source code for both...
Actually said source code would probably be quite useful from an
educational POV.
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believe that we will have
non-free.org up at about the same time we drop non-free from the Debian
archive.
However the GR does not require that, so nobody can depend on it.
The answer to Gerfried's question is further discussion I believe.
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options?
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for your
Pentium 4 or Athlon XP processor. But then you may think it's quite
reasonable to demand the source code for both...
Actually said source code would probably be quite useful from an
educational POV.
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On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 10:38:10AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 05:48:23PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Don't trivialise on debian.org to just an /etc/apt/sources.list entry
though. The advantage IMHO to having Debian host non-free packages is
quality control
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 10:38:10AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 05:48:23PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Don't trivialise on debian.org to just an /etc/apt/sources.list entry
though. The advantage IMHO to having Debian host non-free packages is
quality control
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I'm a bit late, but I second this too. Thanks for proposing it Andrew.
And thanks to Raul for his early proposals. (And sorry I dropped off the
face of the list half way though.)
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 07:00:36PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:48:48AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
I propose that the Debian project resolve that:
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Acknowledging that some of our users
of the original which has been
carried over. We don't make any committment not to keep non-free
documentation out of main, only non-free software.
Thanks
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of the original which has been
carried over. We don't make any committment not to keep non-free
documentation out of main, only non-free software.
Thanks
Hamish
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 02:17:16AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
Bugs are things that break software, not arbitrary third-party
specifications.
We consider violations for the FHS to be be bugs. Why is that different?
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 02:17:16AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
Bugs are things that break software, not arbitrary third-party
specifications.
We consider violations for the FHS to be be bugs. Why is that different?
Hamish
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free will.
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