Clint Adams cl...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:50:30PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
Disbanding the TC would likely do more harm than good. There would be
no way to conclude a disagreement.
I believe that there is evidence prior to 1999
think it should be clear now that he will not step back unless the
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Amen to that, a thousand times.
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Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
If GNOME supported being built without those features, yes, it's fairly
straightforward. I probably overstated it by saying it's trivial, but I
don't think it would be that hard. But that's from the *packaging*
perspective,
Le vendredi 24 octobre 2014 à 14:47 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
There
have been, are and will be people with different requirements that
systemd does not and will not satisfy.
Which requirements are not satisfied by systemd? I’m pretty sure the
upstream systemd
Aigars Mahinovs aigar...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 October 2014 12:35, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote:
In fact, they want to require that if P supports only A (and not A|B)
that the maintainers of P have to patch P to make it support B. In the
good old
Aigars Mahinovs aigar...@gmail.com wrote:
So you want to force everyone to use systemd
No, I want every package to work with the default init system. Those who
only use packages that work with another init system, can use it.
(by breaking enough
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Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 à 13:29 +, Martin Meredith a écrit :
On 11/03/11 12:41, Matthew Vernon wrote:
I've been thinking for a while now that it would be good if general
resolutions had a Rationale with them.
Won't this require a GR to put it into force?
What is the rationale for
.
This doesn’t raise questions about the competence of the newcomer. This
raises questions about the competence of the person who designed the
package.
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an opinion. I don't think much of it, but
you are indeed entitled to it.
I wouldn’t expect you to be able to question your own choices anyway.
Actually, I shouldn’t be discussing this with you, this is pointless as
always.
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Le mercredi 31 mars 2010 à 05:53 -0700, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
I wouldn’t expect you to be able to question your own choices anyway.
I personally think that would apply to present company as well.
Wow.
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Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 14:55 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
The original discussion isn't even half over and you come running to us
screaming GR. Way to abuse our constitution and waste everyone's time.
Not appreciated. Not at all.
And should anyone appreciate the fact that FTP
Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 16:09 +, Sam Kuper a écrit :
If that pressure stems from a concern that without proper license
information, Debian users/developers/etc could face legal action, then
I, for one, as a Debian user, appreciate it.
Hint #1: the complete list of copyright holders has
Hi,
as per Constitution 4.1.3, I am proposing the following General
Resolution.
8 - 8 - 8 - 8 - 8 -
The Debian project hereby resolves that the copyright files of binary
packages shipped in the distribution are not required to contain an
accurate and up-to-date listing of
Le samedi 21 mars 2009 à 20:34 +0100, Holger Levsen a écrit :
seconded. Though I would appreciate if it would clarify that debian/copyright
still needs to be present and list the licence and *should try to* list all
authors.
IMHO the policy is already clear on it. Furthermore, I don’t think
Le samedi 21 mars 2009 à 20:04 +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld a écrit :
Its so easy to give his own opinion more weight by using extortion as a
method.
Call it extortion if you want, but this is probably going to happen to a
number of large packages unless this requirement goes away.
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Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 19:02 -0600, Peter Samuelson a écrit :
Without weighing in on whether there _is_ a class of software for which
users shouldn't have the right to look at and modify source code, this
whole phrase run on the host CPU needs to die and be replaced by
something more
Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 13:07 +0100, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :
The idea is to create a new section that contains files like
firmware images and FPGA data that gets written to the hardware
to make it fully functional. It is not meant for drivers that run
on the host CPU.
There is no reason to
Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 15:27 +0100, Michael Banck a écrit :
How about ???Software that is not executed on the host CPU??? ? That can
include e.g. non-free documentation, which clearly doesn???t belong in the
same place than nVidia binary drivers.
While I think that non-dfsg-free
Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 21:23 +0100, Michael Banck a écrit :
Why? In essence, it is very similar to a firmware. It can also be
necessary (e.g. for game data) to make free software work, in a similar
way to the kernel with firmware.
While that might be true technically, I don't think
Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 12:36 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
This is something we need to agree to disagree on. There are people
who still focus on The Universal Operating System, and who are
willing to make compromises in freedom without being willing to make a
totally non-free OS.
And
Manoj, please stop your logorrhea. By the time it would take to read
your 27 posts on this list in 8 hours, it would be enough to fix a
handful of bugs.
Le mercredi 17 décembre 2008 à 12:15 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
Also, splitting a vote into multiple ballots, with related
Le jeudi 18 décembre 2008 à 08:44 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project, I hear you
too.
Regardless of what you did as the Secretary, I fail to see any reason to
Le samedi 13 décembre 2008 à 22:09 +0100, Robert Millan a écrit :
For the record, I think the Secretary's interpretation of the Constitution is
perfectly correct.
Whether it is correct or not is irrelevant here. The Secretary is
deciding this without justification, in an inconsistent way
Le jeudi 11 décembre 2008 à 15:38 +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho a
écrit :
More strongly, I believe Manoj has repeatedly shown the sort of moral courage
and sound judgment that the Secretary's job requires, and I believe it would
be
a grave loss if he were to step down. It would be a shame if
Le dimanche 23 novembre 2008 à 10:25 +1100, Ben Finney a écrit :
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Le dimanche 23 novembre 2008 à 00:09 +1100, Ben Finney a écrit :
You seem to have missed what I said: In order to have *anyone* fix
them, they need to be acknowledged as DFSG
Le samedi 22 novembre 2008 à 19:49 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
Could you take this tone away from -vote, please?
Manoj, please don’t take this personally, but I don’t think you are
qualified to tell what is an appropriate tone for a discussion.
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Le dimanche 23 novembre 2008 à 00:09 +1100, Ben Finney a écrit :
You seem to have missed what I said: In order to have *anyone* fix
them, they need to be acknowledged as DFSG violations.
Would you please stop your lies and go trolling elsewhere? Please?
Happily the Debian kernel maintainers
Le samedi 22 novembre 2008 à 01:54 +0100, Jacob Hallén a écrit :
The first paragraph of the SC is a lie!
Then later:
2. The SC states that the goals of Debian is to produce a totally free
software distribution.
This implies that practicality for users is not a concern and that
Debian is
Le samedi 15 novembre 2008 à 09:45 -0600, Debian Project Secretary a
écrit :
,[ Proposal 6: Exclude source requirements from firmware (defined) ]
| Firmware is data such as microcode or lookup tables that is loaded into
| hardware components in order to make the component function properly.
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 14:05 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded.
The Secretary made it clear that if your proposal wins, the SC *will* be
amended.
Therefore I think we should decide on a new wording before the vote
instead of letting someone
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 16:04 +0100, Robert Millan a écrit :
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:10:07AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
I would welcome a more permanent answer to the firmware question,
really, I'm not really pleased with the trolls that arise on the subject
prior to every
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 13:01 -0600, Ean Schuessler a écrit :
So it would be legitimate to distribute an install image for Windows
Mobile cellular phones as a package in main?
No, the proposal wouldn’t allow that since it only lifts DFSG #2. Such
an image would still fail DFSG #1, #3, #7,
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008 à 13:26 -0600, Ean Schuessler a écrit :
No, the proposal wouldn’t allow that since it only lifts DFSG #2. Such
an image would still fail DFSG #1, #3, #7, and probably #5 and #6.
No, it would not. The image is firmware and is not subject to DFSG
requirements.
Le samedi 15 novembre 2008 à 19:39 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
Hm, no, the impression that I got from this discussion that at least
several people here think the result of Further discussion is:
i Do we require source for firmware in main: Yes
ii Do we allow
Le dimanche 16 novembre 2008 à 11:24 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
The social contract says that the debian system and all its
components will be 100% free, free as determined by the dfsg.
All its components include the unstable suite as well. Why are you
focusing on the release
First of all, please stop the obnoxious cross-posting. It makes the
threads unreadable anyway.
(If you could stop the condescending and pedantic tone, that would help
as well, but I guess that would be asking too much of you.)
Le dimanche 16 novembre 2008 à 11:34 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit
Le mardi 11 novembre 2008 à 04:49 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
So far as I can see, the only significant difference between #5 and #2
(or #3) is the requirement that upstream distributes under a license
that complies with the DFSG. But it is surely irrelevant whether the
licence text says
Le mardi 28 octobre 2008 à 20:38 +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
So either we, the project, a) work with them and try to convince them of
the merits of alternate proposals, or b) we could force a system they
aren't convinced of upon them using a GR - probably not something that
will work very
Le samedi 25 octobre 2008 à 20:26 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
I'd appreciate if you don't use a GR procedure for that, though, it makes us
look like a bunch of clowns.
it makes us look like a bunch of clowns.
look like a bunch of clowns
a bunch of clowns
clowns
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Le dimanche 26 octobre 2008 à 15:17 +0100, Robert Millan a écrit :
For those who didn't get Josselin's witty remark, this happens because I dared
to complain that my words were being missrepresented by Steve Langasek on IRC,
pretending that I said something I never did.
No, this happens
Le jeudi 23 octobre 2008 à 16:08 +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:36:24AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Your lack of knowledge of Debian processes sucks (that means: you
annoy us (at least me) with your stance and the fanatic way you defend it
in public, please stop
Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008 à 18:40 +0200, Thomas Viehmann a écrit :
---
The Debian project, recognizing that bugs do not fix themselves,
applauds Ben Hutchings's efforts to remove non-DFSG-conformant bits from
the linux-2.6 package in a way that is still making users a priority. It
Le vendredi 19 septembre 2008 à 11:45 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
I'd hope the FSF actually specializes in writing software, rather than
making statements. However, writing Free Software is not possible unless
there is a healthy community around it; the FSF thus takes a leading
role and
On jeu, 2008-03-27 at 19:06 +, Ian Jackson wrote:
The main symptom of the TC's brokenness is that it is not making
decisions, or not making them fast enough. I haven't heard anyone
suggest that the TC is actually making wrong decisions.
Even the glibc maintainers?
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Le lundi 10 mars 2008 à 09:21 +0100, Andreas Barth a écrit :
* Anthony Towns ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [080310 03:49]:
The idea is to encourage DPLs to appoint two new members during their
term, so we get new blood in the committee, and people don't get stuck in
the committee until they
On ven, 2008-02-15 at 15:50 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
I'm not so sure this is an off-by-one *error*; for example, when simple
majority is required, then a strict 50% against vs 50% in favour result
should result in the status quo being kept. A simple majority thus needs
to say *more* than
On ven, 2008-02-15 at 22:49 +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:09:57PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
On ven, 2008-02-15 at 15:50 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
Having said that, I agree with you that it makes sense for the TC to not
require 'X + 1', since the electorate
Le samedi 04 août 2007 à 12:27 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
That's because you only take into account controversial GR. Not all GR
need to be controversial. Sometimes I'm tempted to use GRs to try have some
official position statements from Debian on some topics.
And this is what GRs are
Le lundi 30 juillet 2007 à 20:22 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
The only way I can see for anyone without ftpmaster privileges to
implement it, GR or not, is by automatically re-signing uploads from
DMs with their own keys, which doesn't sound terribly ideal to me.
That hasn't prevented some
Le samedi 28 juillet 2007 à 19:55 +0100, Matthew Garrett a écrit :
Sure, Don't quit Debian then is a valid response (though I'm perhaps
old-fashioned in terms of thinking that as a full member of an
organisation I have a duty to participate in its democratic process,
which I'm not
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 21:48 +0200, gregor herrmann a écrit :
I don't see a contradiction here; on the contrary I can imagine that
DMs take some work off the shoulders of DDs in teams.
I fail to see how. More pet packages mean more work for transitions, for
the release team, for other
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 16:20 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
But what if this results in higher quality packages than the one of
overly busy DDs (because the maintainers are very focused on their pet
packages)? Did you think of this consequence?
If someone can make such packages, he
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 18:34 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
If someone doesn't want to be a DD because the NM process is broken
I haven't said that. Previous discussions gave examples of people who don't
want to stay DD for political
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 17:52 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
If someone can make such packages, he should become a DD, full stop.
Don't bother replying if you don't read the thread.
Thanks for your concern, but I have read the whole thread
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 16:30 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
So are you saying that an unexpected consequence of the Debian
maintainers uploading their packages alone could be that the Debian
sponsors would have to look for different packages to sponsor?
Yay, even more crap in the archive!
Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 19:07 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
Well, for the record, I haven't appreciated Loïc's rhetorical questions.
But he clearly signed rhetorical and only Joss felt the need to fell in
the trap of replying.
What exactly makes you think this wasn't only intentional on
Le jeudi 07 juin 2007 à 18:49 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
If not, stop trolling.
Accusing people who oppose your views of trolling shows lack of
dialectic skills.
I have a hard finding another word to describe someone calling people
not sharing his views a revisionist.
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Le mercredi 30 mai 2007 à 11:50 +0100, MJ Ray a écrit :
1. Sven Luther is suspended from all debian lists for a year, which
should be similar to (b), because the project generally liked his
two-month self-suspension and wishes not to receive his discussion
contributions at the moment.
2.
Le jeudi 31 mai 2007 à 11:03 +, Cord Beermann a écrit :
politically... we don't want to be list police. we don't speak enough
languages and don't have the time to do that.
We run the lists, we have more enough to do to keep the spam level
low.
So the step-in and adding a ban on
Le vendredi 16 mars 2007 à 10:27 +, MJ Ray a écrit :
It's sort of disappointing how much less trouble I've had since adding such
disclaimers to the end of emails containing jokes. There seem to be far too
many starched attitudes around.
Ah, thanks. I was looking for a translation of the
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 15:19 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
Many of us probably missed the humor because of the missing disclaimer
explaining ha-ha, this was only a joke, I don't really think we should have
flamewars despite the fact that I'm frequently a rude jerk to others in the
project.
Le vendredi 16 mars 2007 à 08:35 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
While there are other problems than the
invariant section, it was really the biggest problem and the others
will probably disappear with the next GFDL update AFAIK.
That's good news to hear. I've not followed the GFDL affair
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 19:43 +0200, Lars Wirzenius a écrit :
I've tried not participating or reading lists with large flame contents:
for significant parts of 2006 I did not read -devel and -project (for
instance). The result was that you're cut off from any sense of what the
project is doing
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 22:10 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
My biggest technical contributions over the last year are:
- the management of the Python transition and the
development/fixing/modifications of the
corresponding dh_{python,pycentral,pysupport} scripts.
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 23:04 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Uuuh which part do you refer to ?
The part that I did and that nobody else was willing to do. Discuss with
Josselin and Doko so that we actually have gone forward even if it has
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 23:29 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
For readers who are interested in a more neutral point of view, I invite
them to read the archives of debian-python during the month of june:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2006/06/threads.html
I don't think you make a good
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 14:52 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit :
Criticise, yes. Mock, no.
If I understand your opinion, Greg Folkert's way of criticising people
is acceptable, while Sam's is not. Is that correct?
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Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 13:58 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit :
This attitude is the very single one that I absolutely hate in
volunteer organizations. Why should you get mocked for doing things
you like with no compensation? What moral right do the mockers have?
I'm getting pissed off by this
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 15:05 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit :
Well, if *I* get compensated enough, I'm willing to be mocked :) So
yes, I find it somewhat more acceptable.
As a semi-RL example, I've been thinking about a game fee for sports
officials: travel costs plus 20 euros per each insult
Le dimanche 04 mars 2007 à 18:13 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
Yup, though that shouldn't be much of a challenge. The other problem
is that the list doesn't seem active, so it's not incredibly clear that
people are actively maintaining the port.
The number of patches submitted for this port
Le dimanche 04 mars 2007 à 10:21 +0100, Andreas Barth a écrit :
I hope you realize that your blog posts were one of the reasons why I
reduced the time I spend on the release dramatically. It is just
frustrating if people try to destroy the work you are doing.
I hope you realize Sam's blog
Le vendredi 02 mars 2007 à 03:04 -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit :
Which release-critical bug will each of you fix in order to convince me to
vote for you? :)
Is this offer valid for non-candidates to make you vote for the
candidate of their choice?
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Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 18:36 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
I'd rather see a Dunc-Tank report (and criticism and
analysis of that) before thinking more about it.
Aren't you the one supposed to write it?
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Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 13:45 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit :
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I absolutely don't like the implications of that assertion.
Well, if an entity A feels that they would benefit from paying a DD
for his Debian work, they have two choices:
1. They
Hi,
I'd like to ask Anthony and Steve what they think of how they handled
the conflict between Frans Pop and Sven Luther, and other candidates how
they would have handled this conflict.
To everyone: how would you avoid such situations to become this
problematic in the future?
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Le vendredi 16 février 2007 à 01:27 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
(If there's something more than the general comments Frank made,
I'm still not seeing it. TTBOMK, the non-free and experimental builds
aren't at all integrated with the buildd.d.o stuff, and there's been
no particular interest
Le lundi 12 février 2007 à 19:35 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
There are different levels of trusting. One can think that no DD
would introduce malware in the archive and anyway could think also that
some
developers are not good for certain tasks because of attitude/lack of
Le dimanche 11 février 2007 à 04:24 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit :
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero
effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted,
Quoting partial sentences without disclosing
e samedi 10 février 2007 à 13:05 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero
effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted,
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[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/10/msg00233.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00017.html
[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/10/msg00238.html
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Indeed, sorry for the bad English of the proposal. I accept this new
wording if the seconders follow.
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this in the constitution, and having it in a single ballot
would make things clearer.
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I don't like the plethora of proposals that come up on -vote these days,
but Loïc's proposed GR doesn't look acceptable to me.
The text of the proposal is attached.
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sure this is the intention, but IMO this discussion is turning into
paramecia hair-splitting with an axe.
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the current situation, implying a delay
in the release.
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to rethink them in this
context and propose other amendments. That may lead to a marginally
clearer choice, but frankly, if we delay the vote until we have the
perfect proposal, it will never happen.
Manoj, is there anything preventing to start the vote right now?
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This leads to a case of tactical voting. If I prefer my proposal over
Frederik's, but I'd prefer that none of them would pass, I should still
put mine before NOTA to give it a better chance to hit 3:1.
I know I'm nitpicking, but isn't this whole thread about nitpicking? ;)
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