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We're having a serious discussion, and you guys are adding noise.
Priceless.
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seem much closer to
resolution.
If you can't understand the Please postpone the bikeshedding after the
lenny release so that you'll have proper answers-bit then I can nothing
for you.
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On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 04:13:37PM +, Michael Banck wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:00:26PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
petition
process.
I would just like to go on record that if Manoj is expelled from the project
due to the recent events, then I will resign. Fortunately, it seems that it
won't be necessary.
Huh, who talked about expelling Manoj !?
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:28:19PM +, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 09:58:09AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
from http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007#majorityreq
4. We give priority to the timely release of Etch over sorting every
bit out; for this reason
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:33:27PM +, Peter Palfrader wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Boycotting is unlikely to prevent all ballot options from reaching the
Yeah Boycotting is silly, that's why I've voted for FD first, my
preferred choices second, the rest third
of Debian Lenny as long as we are legally
allowed to do so.
Now explain to me how a genuine interpretation of the Constitution let
the former need simple majority and the latter super majority.
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 03:49:14PM +, Ean Schuessler wrote:
- Pierre Habouzit madco...@debian.org wrote:
The point is, the secretary chooses interpretations that suits his own
proposals to the vote. Explain to me how the release lenny options
need [3:1] supermajority where
and option3. Yay.
Our secretary is failing his job. Critically.
Note: I'm not saying Julien advocated _this_ vote, I'm explaining what
it would mean.
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On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 08:14:34PM +, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 08:49:10PM +0900, Paul Wise wrote:
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Pierre Habouzit madco...@debian.org
wrote:
This vote is nonsensical, and I'm hereby calling people to rank FD first
or to boycott
as a project
should even honor the outcome of a vote on this ballot as presented.
I second that.
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 07:43:05PM +, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 06:29:26PM +, gregor herrmann wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:45:56 -0600, Debian Project Secretary wrote:
Since some people have had trouble
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 02:39:31PM +, Robert Millan wrote:
It happens they won't be able to, because a vote is already
scheduled. Whatever we decide now, it will be by consensus.
Voting is not a way to achieve consensus, it's a way to take a decision
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what it has meant.
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:01:38PM +, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 06:04:32PM +, Josselin Mouette wrote:
First of all, please stop the obnoxious cross-posting. It makes the
threads unreadable anyway.
(If you could
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:20:05PM +, Ben Finney wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:01:38PM +, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
The SC is pretty clear about everything in the Debian
system (which includes image .debs) should be 100% free
happen.
[0] http://bugs.debian.org/tag:lenny-ignore
my point with this URL, is that lenny-ignore tags are highly
visible and traceable. It's not an intent of the release team to rub
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:15:10PM +, Ben Finney wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:20:05PM +, Ben Finney wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The SC speaks about software, and doesn't define it.
The statement
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:54:25PM +, Russ Allbery wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, I believe the DFSG are clumsy when it comes to its terms. Component
is clear. Firmwares are part of Debian components for sure, there is
absolutely no doubt about that. But I'm
try to impose a decision that is after all not making
consensus at all. So far, I don't believe the Release Team failed those
principles, and a vote will just decide that once for all.
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| with the DFSG.
`
I second this proposal
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this General Resolution:
You can't do that, only the secretary can. You're supposed to propose
one (or several) options and get seconds for it/them. That's all.
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and starts that by himself also, and that we need to go down the
GR route... But since it doesn't seem like an available option right
now, let's say
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… that indeed
I believe the GR isn't really needed and that either the secretary or
the DPL should have his word in this. But oh well, if one want an
humiliating GR for that matter, let's do it.
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On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:21:41PM +, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Mon, Oct 27 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
IMHO that's beside the point, even if the constitution isn't specific,
^^^
I
as a warning for anyone who dares to complain that mr Langasek
is defamating him.
P.S.: I never thought we'd get so low. Sad thing, really.
Is your real first name Frank ?
If you can't make the difference between a jest and defamation, I really
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 01:15:55PM +, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
And you're comfortable with ftp-master ruling DFSG-iness through NEW
then ? I don't really see the difference.
I would be uncomoftable with ftp-masters willfully
, and a
total lack of nuance.
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:48:16PM +, Robert Millan wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:47:58PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
[...]. Here you could modify source,
big deal, you won't be able to *build* the damn firmware. ever.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug
linux-source would move to contrib.
Say kernel-package, m-a, all the kernel-patches, iptables, ...
everything. And ... even the glibc since it uses linux-libc-dev to
build, so in turn 90% of Debian shall go to contrib.
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:42:25PM +, Robert Millan wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:07:08PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:54:13PM +, Robert Millan wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:50:40PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
The bug being more than 60 days
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:52:28PM +, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Though, when this software is central to all Debian (as the kernel is,
or the glibc for the sunrpc issue, or mesa for the GLX code, or ...),
then as it's a long and slow work
-free and Debian will be blurry (if it's not already blurry enough),
and every single User will have non-free, whereas I believe quite a few
live without it right now.
That's regression, and it's IMHO far worse than a couple of binary blobs
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have absolutely no clue what you're talking about ?
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 07:34:49PM +, Russ Allbery wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
FWIW Reviewing an AM report and an application is nothing near a small
5 minutes task. I believe it's rather 30 minutes of work per applicant
if you do it seriously enough. Creating
of work per applicant
if you do it seriously enough. Creating an account should though
(meaning I don't know if it is, but I see no valid technical reasons for
it not to be).
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don't really need the DPL blessing to do so :P
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On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 12:45:31PM +, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Pierre Habouzit:
upstream made a proper fix for IPv4, in a very sensible way, and the
problem is gone
Have you got a pointer to the discussion/patch? Thanks.
The patch is that it applies rule9 for ipv4 only to addresses
On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 03:22:35PM +, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 12:01:58AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
James was directly involved in getting the current form to happen;
the need for change was a shock to the rest of us, not James or Joey.
Okay shock may
that. Meanwhile we are
driving excellent contributors crazy, and it kills me.
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On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 08:00:43PM +, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 06:48:56PM +, Anthony Towns wrote…
… quite a lot of things that I won't quote for brevity.
I agree fully that a jetring-based (or anything alike) approach would
be much appreciated. That would
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 09:29:10PM +, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 09:00:43PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
And at the time he was kind of right, [...], so he was
rejecting the delays on the ???over-administrative-thing??? NM has
become since he created
annoying bit of DPL elections,
I strongly disagree with that, but that's a fair alternate proposal
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think I'm not so
surprised to see you claim that, even after some not so old history.
GRs do not unite, they divide. They divide the DDs in two: the one
the losers and the winners. And the identity you claim to forge, is just
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) and the default option is None
Of The Above.
8. The Project Leader serves for one year from their election.
=
I second that.
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to be able to continue things
the previous DPL started smoothly.
Okay some details like who is really in charge during the overlaps has
to be sorted out, but well ..
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it happens for sponsoring before). Note that nobody
needs that GR to implement a DM-like queue.
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 12:37:38PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 02:56:39PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 10:04:20AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:12:46PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
And so on. The thread you point
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 01:00:50PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
arguments in favor of DM the more it's about introverted geeks, and
uncoordinated work. Maybe we should care more about people that are nice
to users rather about introverted guys
for answers.
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agree that some non-DD's simply deserve upload rights.
I don't. I agree that some non-DD simply deserve to be fast tracked
and be made DD in record times.
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:48:57PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:40:29 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
This is exactly what I don't like in the proposal. I think I already
said that, but DM is about pet packages, while Debian as a whole is
advocating Team work
points as well.
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 07:44:19PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
The NM process is far more flexible than you seem to think.
Actually not really, but _that_ is indeed what needs to be fixed,
enhanced, made better.
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:52:15AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And I have also issues with every other use case that have been talked
about yet. Yes, even the upstream wants to package his stuff, I'm not
sure we want to have tuomov-like people
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:25:24PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I still lack the reason why someone would not be DD for political
reasons _and_ wanting to help improving Debian at the same time.
For an example and reasoning, please see
improvement of
anything.
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mean, I'd really like to see their long waiting AM
report be validated, and account created...).
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Frightened,
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 12:03:36PM +0100, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 10:58:13PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Notes: package should generally be co-maintained by sponsor and non-DD
maintainer, with the non-DD maintainer doing most of the work
If you restrict this use
like handwaving, with the risk to make NM stay hell
forever.
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uploads right for some packages. That sounds right. I'm
not sure DM does, because it's a completely different matter that it
addresses.
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On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 03:16:46PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 23/06/07 at 13:43 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
AM delays
~
For the former, well, if it's because of the NM taking too much time,
the AM usually put their applicant on hold. That works (IMHO) quite
fine
people, that have PP right, until they are full
DDs.
Cheers,
[0] those dates do not need to be formally defined, but the monthes
when applications will go forward could be decided for example 6
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of
the problems it's supposed to fix.
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surprised that the number of people
we're talking about are even comparable to the number of people going
through NM.
You may be embarrassed to answer, but calling peoples argument
superficial and dubious looks like handwaving and evasion to me.
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not
gives you any right to be an asshole.
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with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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rewarding in the
long term, as it allows us to keep some fun and motivation too. I'm
tired of the self-importantness and excessive seriousness of people on
the lists.
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behave
badly. That's not new. I don't say it's appropriate to behave like that,
but that's also in the human nature.
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Others:
#374955 #374730 #328579
[0] http://bugs.debian.org/submitter:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://blog.madism.org/index.php/2006/08/01/97-python-transition
[1] http://qa.debian.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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this problem will be
ranked below None of above.
Well, I've read Frans post with a lot of interest, and it seemed to be
a quite good rewording of Sam's platform :)
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for the fun.
Wouldn't be that really great ? Sadly there is no pony-glyph (sorry
martin, would a horse ♘ be OK though ?).
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to exceed expectations
on each of the various points. But I don't know if that /is/ the goal
you're going for overall, or if it's something different.
Cheers,
aj
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Matthew, get out of that body, right now !
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a significant part
of the archive _and_ having it working ? I'm sorry, but there _must_ be
a step I'm missing here.
[0] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libc0.3;dist=unstable
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It can lead to some build-deps to be removed as well as e.g. alsa does
not exists on kfreebsd.
ttbomk very few of the patches are very involved, and it's a shame
that maintainers do not include them asap.
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attributed to the former.
If you're going to be re-elected, and if dunc-tank is to be continued
also, will you still remain on the board and pursue this rather
schizophrenic split, that does not seem to be that clear, even to you ?
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party contractors do that if they
want. Or do not pay people, but events or devcamps for teams that have
very important task to achieve and that can benefit from such camps.
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do it publically
I absolutely don't like the implications of that assertion.
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On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:45:50PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I absolutely don't like the implications of that assertion.
Well, if an entity A feels that they would benefit from paying a DD
for his Debian work, they have two choices:
1
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:07:24PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
* Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-27 14:03]:
In the context of A beeing the DPL, understand my reservations about
it. Remember that the subject is dunc-tank, not _an_ anynymous foo
structure, but the Project
, unfortunately the number of
bugs did grow a lot after that. It's hardly a summary, certainly not an
evaluation, so I'm still waiting for it…
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?
I think that the initiative affected the Debian community as a whole
for better.
Could you develop a bit ? I fail to see how tearing the community
apart did made it better, at least I miss a step in your reasoning here.
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-debian'
project) at the same time.
I mean, how dare he try to help the project in this way.
He should be hanged up for that, short and tight.
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is
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On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 03:55:32PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 03:37:28PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 02:44:37PM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
The security implications of those practices should be evident to anyone
, as it could help to
spot environment problems in the package Maintainer build env.
I personally would advocate such an idea.
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On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:02:57AM +, Stephen Gran wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Pierre Habouzit said:
I also addressed that part in my mail. The arguments I've read against
rogue buildds are threefold:
* security (I _really_ think it's nonsense, as it's not less secure
rebuilt which is
almost equivalent).
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if I'm not mistaken
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HAMMERING LIKE THAT.
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==
The Debian project reaffirms support to Anthony Towns as the Debian
Project Leader. However, it doesn't endorse nor support any projects Mr
Towns may lead or participate in outside Debian.
/proposal
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(or MTA? as it seems that's because your mail goes through
Exchange), or stop posting here. That makes your mails especially
painful for the readers.
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asked 3:1 for it, so I don't know where you have
found it needed it.
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